Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[nwmouse]

snipped by me for brevity.
There is no way to determine if one has fibromyalgia. There is however a lot of information as it relates to fibromyalgia, malingering and personality disorders.

Just saying.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1.........0i71j35i39j35i304i39j0i7i30.mgskcjaVHJo

Are her videos allowed on this forum?

BBM
But how does Fibromyalgia justify her and her children's slaughter?
Even IF she had fibromyalgia and even if it DID cause a "malingering and personality disorder" (and I doubt she had a personality disorder, although CW has one, imho) it is still not a reason for CW to kill her, his unborn son and two toddlers.
MOO.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree -- its strange -- much more of his stuff fits than anything she portrayed about anything ever. Ever.

In fact it makes no sense whatsoever to admit to strangling your wife to death, wrapping up your wife and children and dunking them in filthy oil and tossing her in the ground.

Your not free ever again with that confession - why not confess to all of it IF you did all of it. What he confessed to doing is horrid.

She is dead. Dead people are not concerned about their reputation as far as I know. So the notion that he wanted the world to think she did it - makes no sense at all! She is dead.

I think roid rage is a much bigger component of this tragedy. His confession appears more upfront than any of the SM fantasy stuff.

Your theory is not beyond the realm of possibility, imo.

 

[RachB65]

Since so many on here are convinced he's guilty as charged it's hard to discuss possibilities that fall outside of his confession.
jmo

SBM
Outside his confession? The people who believe his confession and that Shanann killed the girls dont really want to go beyond his confession and discuss what most people and LE believe REALLY happened

 

[MassGuy]

First off, there's no excuse for what CW confessed to. The odds are he killed his daughters too. However, I wouldn't be completely shocked to find out he didn't kill his daughters. Since so many on here are convinced he's guilty as charged it's hard to discuss possibilities that fall outside of his confession.
jmo

If she did this, I would literally question my own existence.

I absolutely, unquivocally, believe in his complete and total guilt.

There are endless possibilities that one could come up with, in regards to an alternate scenario here.

Not ones that are rooted in fact though.

I no more believe that he is telling the truth, than Aliens could have done this.

But that’s me.

 

[Only4Justice]

The financial conclusions were reached by careful review of the bankruptcy filing. Interestingly, in America medical bills are often a huge part of bankruptcy. It struck me as unique that in the filing there was minimal health care bills.

What we know from the filings is he was making at least three times as much as she was at the time. The notion that he was a dead beat father does not appear supported by all the SM posts made.

For a family system to have 75% of the family very sick (per SW report) there was minimal medical in the bankruptcy.

In addition , the alleged fertility problems are certainly not illustrated in the facts of the matter. It appears, in very short order, she gave birth, on time, to two children. In any SM I did not come across anything related to difficulties while pregnant. That does not mean there were not any, but interesting.

We have a person allegedly suffering with two lifelong chronic illnesses whose primary symptom is fatigue - appearing to have a lot of energy of filming and vacationing etc etc.

Doing the math in the last 60 months she spent 22 months pregnant. That might be exhausting for a healthy woman!

There is no way to determine if one has fibromyalgia. There is however a lot of information as it relates to fibromyalgia, malingering and personality disorders.

Just saying.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1.........0i71j35i39j35i304i39j0i7i30.mgskcjaVHJo

Are her videos allowed on this forum?

I think it is unfair to judge SW on her havingf

"She was gone a lot vacationing" is misleading. CW joined her on almost every Lifestyle Getaway that she or they earned. She also made ordinary business trips as it was the nature of her business. You may be confusing "vacationing" with "business." She was in sales. It required travel. I am sure there are lots of folks here who travel for business. I did it myself for years and believe me, it was no "vacation."

Here are a few photos of BOTH CW and Shanann vacationing. They BOTH seem to be enjoying themselves. WS limits the number of photos to 10 per post, but there are many more. Link to photos here: https://www.facebook.com/ShanannWatts/photos?lst=100004929826139:507111934:1541086709&collection_token=507111934:2305272732:6&next_cursor=MDpub3Rfc3RydWN0dXJlZDoxMDE1NDc4NTk1OTEwMTkzNQ==

Puerto Vallarta:
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Las Vegas:
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Chris and I earned a full expense trip to Mexico and up until today we couldn't go bc we didn't have help with the girls! My mom and dad made it work and my mom is coming to take care of our girls for the 4 days (I threw two extra days in so I can spend time with her too!) Truly blessed to have supportive parents! #Blessed #PuertoVallarta #Lifestylegetaway#Fullexpensepdtrip — with Bella Marie Watts,Celeste Cathryn and Frank Rzucek.
Shanann Watts

What a damn shame. What made this man do this? New P***y? C'mon. So sad.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

SBM
Outside his confession? The people who believe his confession and that Shanann killed the girls dont really want to go beyond his confession and discuss what most people and LE believe REALLY happened

Yep - that's pretty much what my post said.

 

[RachB65]

Yep - that's pretty much what my post said.

Respectfully, most members here have done nothing BUT go outside his sorry self serving confession to theorize the truth of what happened.

 

[AbbyG]

The financial conclusions were reached by careful review of the bankruptcy filing. Interestingly, in America medical bills are often a huge part of bankruptcy. It struck me as unique that in the filing there was minimal health care bills.

What we know from the filings is he was making at least three times as much as she was at the time. The notion that he was a dead beat father does not appear supported by all the SM posts made.

For a family system to have 75% of the family very sick (per SW report) there was minimal medical in the bankruptcy.

In addition , the alleged fertility problems are certainly not illustrated in the facts of the matter. It appears, in very short order, she gave birth, on time, to two children. In any SM I did not come across anything related to difficulties while pregnant. That does not mean there were not any, but interesting.

We have a person allegedly suffering with two lifelong chronic illnesses whose primary symptom is fatigue - appearing to have a lot of energy of filming and vacationing etc etc.

Doing the math in the last 60 months she spent 22 months pregnant. That might be exhausting for a healthy woman!

There is no way to determine if one has fibromyalgia. There is however a lot of information as it relates to fibromyalgia, malingering and personality disorders.

Just saying.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1.........0i71j35i39j35i304i39j0i7i30.mgskcjaVHJo

Are her videos allowed on this forum?

What are you "just saying"? The hostility toward Shannan, murder victim of Chris Watts, is baffling.

 

[MassGuy]

Respectfully, most members here have done nothing BUT go outside his sorry self serving confession to theorize the truth of what happened.

Exactly. I don’t need any of his words to reach the conclusion that he did this.

Two children and a pregnant wife are dead.

The husband attempted to conceal their deaths.

1+1=2

 

[katydid23]

First off, there's no excuse for what CW confessed to. The odds are he killed his daughters too. However, I wouldn't be completely shocked to find out he didn't kill his daughters. Since so many on here are convinced he's guilty as charged it's hard to discuss possibilities that fall outside of his confession.
jmo

Why is it so hard to discuss those alternate possibilities? Go ahead and post those opinions and others will reply. It is not that hard.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Respectfully, most members here have done nothing BUT go outside his sorry self serving confession to theorize the truth of what happened.

I understand and respect what you are saying. I just wish those who wanted to discuss other possibilities had the same free reign on the thread as those who don't want to discuss other possibilities. I know there are quiet a few following the thread who want to discuss other possibilities, but don't feel comfortable doing so.
jmo

 

[k-mac]

I agree -- its strange -- much more of his stuff fits than anything she portrayed about anything ever. Ever.

In fact it makes no sense whatsoever to admit to strangling your wife to death, wrapping up your wife and children and dunking them in filthy oil and tossing her in the ground.

Your not free ever again with that confession - why not confess to all of it IF you did all of it. What he confessed to doing is horrid.

She is dead. Dead people are not concerned about their reputation as far as I know. So the notion that he wanted the world to think she did it - makes no sense at all! She is dead.

I think roid rage is a much bigger component of this tragedy. His confession appears more upfront than any of the SM fantasy stuff.

why not admit to it all??

well nobody wants to go to jail known as a kiddy killer.

how do you say out loud you are your OWN KIDS KILLER?

chris sees himself as a all new and improved cool sexy cat ..chick magnet now....what chicks are gunna fly with kiddy killing???

seems so insensitive but this is where I think his head is/was at.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why is it so hard to discuss those alternate possibilities? Go ahead and post those opinions and others will reply. It is not that hard.

It's hard and the thread will likely get shut down because of the snark that typically comes along with the responses from those who disagree.

 

[AbbyG]

I agree -- its strange -- much more of his stuff fits than anything she portrayed about anything ever. Ever.

In fact it makes no sense whatsoever to admit to strangling your wife to death, wrapping up your wife and children and dunking them in filthy oil and tossing her in the ground.

Your not free ever again with that confession - why not confess to all of it IF you did all of it. What he confessed to doing is horrid.

She is dead. Dead people are not concerned about their reputation as far as I know. So the notion that he wanted the world to think she did it - makes no sense at all! She is dead.

I think roid rage is a much bigger component of this tragedy. His confession appears more upfront than any of the SM fantasy stuff.

Do you really not understand why he would want to make it seem that he didn't simply kill his precious children? How as a man he will be judged so much less harshly by declaring he killed his wife because SHE was killing his children? How admitting to his daddy/family that he killed their grandchildren, killed his whole family, was going to be worse than this fantasy story he concocted, where he is almost heroic because he was also a victim? Look, even YOU have bought his story and it seems to make you almost defensive of the murderer while piling prejudice upon his victim, so you answered your own question. It makes PERFECT sense that he wanted just the result you are giving him. He seems a vain man and once he was caught, he found a crazy way to try to seem less of a monster.

 

[k-mac]

anyone else have a thought about there might be nothing in the medical files?
could it be he is actually perfectly healthy and most importantly PERFECTLY SANE and the defence are simply keeping as many creative options available to them as possible by keeping them sealed??
who knows what medical diagnosis might be invented between here and then ??

jmo

 

[k-mac]

Do you really not understand why he would want to make it seem that he didn't simply kill his precious children? How as a man he will be judged so much less harshly by declaring he killed his wife because SHE was killing his children? How admitting to his daddy/family that he killed their grandchildren, killed his whole family, was going to be worse than this fantasy story he concocted, where he is almost heroic because he was also a victim? Look, even YOU have bought his story and it seems to make you almost defensive of the murderer while piling prejudice upon his victim, so you answered your own question. It makes PERFECT sense that he wanted just the result you are giving him. He seems a vain man and once he was caught, he found a crazy way to try to seem less of a monster.

well said abby
this is what I was trying to say but you did a much better job! lol

 

[MsBetsy]

What are you "just saying"? The hostility toward Shannan, murder victim of Chris Watts, is baffling.

Yes, I also had asked a question about the statement about Shanann being histrionic. I was curious as to what the examples or evidence is that would lead one to think this. I did not pick this up at all in any of her videos and had asked for details from OP but I don't think I ever got an answer.

 

[molly1255]

SBM
Outside his confession? The people who believe his confession and that Shanann killed the girls dont really want to go beyond his confession and discuss what most people and LE believe REALLY happened

Exactly! The only way to go "outside" his confession in any discussion would require suspending reality, IMO.

 

[nwmouse]

Yes, I also had asked a question about the statement about Shanann being histrionic. I was curious as to what the examples or evidence is that would lead one to think this. I did not pick this up at all in any of her videos and had asked for details from OP but I don't think I ever got an answer.

A pregnant mom who was slaughtered, as were her two little toddlers, has been accused of malingering, fibromyalgia, faking pregnancy, overspending (those manicures sure break the bank), histrionics, and possibly murdering her own girls. The source for some of these accusations has not responded with links to back up their statements, so to me, it just appears to be victim bashing. How can anyone believe anything from the mouth of a monstrous family annihilator?
MOO

 

[MyBelle]

I certainly agree things might have changed. I was referring to the bankruptcy only in that it is the only documented info we have.

We also know their HOA was currently suing them. I think the couple was still living well beyond their means and a separation/divorce would make an already bad situation even more stressful on both parents. Divorce attorneys aren't free and if there is disagreement on child custody, the attorney fees really climb. JMO