Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Seattle1]

Great points! I would sum it up with something I have mentioned before...that in 2 of his 3 interviews, he describes coming back to no one home as "It's vanished." That is his family he has detached from, IMO. They are now "it" and "vanished." Those weren't his precious children, they were trash IMO. His lack of grief/devastation is frightening and the very reason I believe his friends the Thayers believe he is the sole murderer. They saw it up close his last night of freedom at their home where he spent the night. It disturbed them deeply. Their grief you could see and not mistake IMO.

And please, let's not forget the house was like a "ghost town." Yup, no remaining inhabitants because they were murdered, (and I believe by your hand).

 

[gitana1]

Yes she did. She will be the star witness in this trial, if it comes to that. As well as the girlfriend, and we don't even have a clue what kind of information she has! I would think a great deal of damning evidence. Jmo

It's going to be super compelling hearing what she has to say and reading texts between them, etc.

I'm interested to see how many times was he texting and calling her the day before and the day of and the day after the murders. And what was he saying?

 

[gitana1]

Are states that consider tampering with, moving, concealing, or otherwise desecrating a body serious felonies somehow on a "religious high horse"? Or do you think there are valid reasons to consider these acts as crimes, besides just being disrespectful and far outside the cultural bounds of decency? Reasons like preventing determination of cause/manner/time of death; possibility of spreading disease/other health risks by improperly handling the body after death; possible psychological damage to someone stumbling upon a discarded/decomposing body; legal ramifications such as estate/financial issues or fraud (social security, etc.) if the body is concealed. It is also a VERY BIG CLUE towards consciousness of guilt on the part of the concealer/desecrator. Perhaps not evidence (though it very well could be, IANAL and do not know the rules of evidence), but gives investigators a very strong indication that this person is not operating with normal parameters and is the most logical/reasonable starting point for a murder investigation. In this case, when you factor in the desecrator has admitted to premeditated murder of two human beings (he could have stopped anytime during the several minutes it took to kill SW and her child, so most definitely premeditated); lied for several days to family, friends, media, LE, and the public about the whereabouts of his family; showed no signs of remorse, sadness, or concern; and all of the rest of the inconsistencies and tells, not to mention everything else that we are not privy to that allowed the prosecution to quickly and confidently file nine counts against him, I dont think the jury will have to rely too heavily on the fact that he desecrated his victims' bodies to conclude guilt on all counts. MOO.

Whoa. Bravo.

 

[gitana1]

I agree with all of this. I have a friend that lost her baby to SIDS, she was in her early 20's. She told me that she went to check on him that morning and knew he was dead. She is a nurse and knew nothing could be done. she said, she was so distraught that she called her MIL and told her but didn't think to call 911. She never thought about being blamed and she certainly never hid his body. The fact that CW could stand on his porch and calmly talk about his missing children and never show sadness when HE knew they were dead, is very telling. IMO

I bet your friend's eyes didn't crinkle up with glee and humor the day after she found her baby dead. Like this:

 

[Mellowmelly]

It was never said it was a garbage bag, it was an assumption. Because their word was something like impermeable bag?

Ok thanks for clearing that up for me dixiegirl, I knew it was some kind of bag, hopefully we will soon hear more details.

 

[gitana1]

I can't imagine anyone turning on the light, so they can see their child's face, and vice versa, while strangling them.

I would think he'd want them to be asleep when he began, and not have to see each other.

Yes. But I can imagine him turning on the light as he runs around the house getting what he needs to transport their bodies so he can check to make sure every now and then that they didn't somehow revive.

Oh the gruesomeness of it all. I can't imagine being that sick of soul.

 

[gitana1]

I disagree the Defense has seemed willing to release the autopsy reports.

Public policy of the State of Colorado, with certain exceptions, provides that all public records shall be open for inspection by any person at reasonable times. [Colorado Open Records Act (CORA)].

On Sept 17, 2018, the District Attorney's office filed a motion to withhold disclosure of the autopsy reports until trial (reports were incomplete, and not available from the Coroner's office). This motion was filed in an abundance of caution -- it was still early in the investigation for both the Prosecution and Defense, and the DA's office had not completed interviews of all their witnesses.

In the Courts order dated Sept 21, 2018, with no known requests by the public for the autopsy reports, the Court stated that the District Attorney's office was the official custodian of autopsy reports of victims of homicide, and requested the position of the Defense. In response, the Defense did not object to the Motion (or jurisdiction) because just like the Prosecution, they'd not yet seen the autopsy reports still not issued. On October 4, 2018, after Defense received copies of the autopsy reports, they told the court they would leave the decision of whether or not to disclose the autopsy reports to the public, to the Court. Again, they did not object to the original motion.

On October 4, 2018, when the Coroner's office was in possession of the autopsy reports, and public requests for the autopsy reports received, the Colorado Press Association and Colorado Broadcasters Association filed a motion contesting the potential seal of the autopsy reports. On October 12, 2018, the Court recognized that CORA had exclusive procedures for persons requesting records, and for record custodian to dissolve disputes concerning accessibility, and that the criminal Court lacked subject matter jurisdiction to resolve their dispute.

On October 15, 2018, the Weld County Coroner correctly filed in a separate court, the record custodian's request to seal the autopsy reports, citing the reports will be critical evidence at trial, that the investigation is still ongoing, and an effort to ensure the integrity of the ongoing investigation, and a fair trial for the defendant.

On October 26, 2018, the separate Court granted petitions filed by both the Prosecution and Defense (in protection of their respective interest) to join the Media's Lawsuit to obtain the autopsy reports.

Accordingly, I don't see where the Defense has demonstrated willingness to disclose the autopsy reports. MOO

Yes. Not once have they filed anything stating they think the court should disclose the reports.

They've used this to try to force the state to reveal what witnesses might be impacted by the report (so what they might say) and they've used it to lambaste the state for hypocrisy.

Otherwise, they've just thrown up their hands and stated, "What's the difference? It's going to come out at the prelim and our client has already been damaged by self-serving state-enabled leaks."

 

[AbbyG]

IMO this is correct. Shanann told her friend that after she got back she was going to really need her friendship. Shanann knew before she got home that something was likely to happen. Some (NOT ME) might argue that she had plans and felt she would need her after she was through. With what I am not sure..Maybe she was referring to her leaving I argue she probably suspected a problem is why she told her that. Its hard to not believe that she most likely on guard. Do any of you remember that Her friend said that Shanann went to unlock the door but she couldn't get in it was latched inside. Could CW have arranged the room leaving her shoes off at the bottom of stairs...then putting her purse on the counter? IDK Or am I getting that mixed up when she went to check on her? I thought it was both and CW had to unlock the latch so SW could get in. This way he would be confronting her immediately. All this is MMO, Sorry this is not written perfectly. Just wanted to throw what I was thinking reading these posts. IMOO

Yes I recall the latch. I think he latched the door because the kids were already dead, he killed them before she got home, so he had to manage that and couldn't risk her or anyone coming in. He needed to greet her, and ambush her. Horrifying.

 

[gitana1]

Those horrible, disturbing interviews alone should be enough to convince people of CW's guilt.

It shocks me that they don't. Not one poster who doesn't find that behavior compelling has been able to cite one case or give one example of an innocent person behaving this way in such circumstances.

But posters have been able to show example after example of guilty murderers acting quite similarly. Over and over.

I truly believe that for some it is partially as a result of hatred toward Shanann, due to judging of her parenting, and/or anger and suspicion of her because she transcends traditional gender norms at times, or dislike of her for being publicly snarky to her introverted husband, or disgust with her cheery portrayal of her life and marriage and family as happy, or disgust with her MLM involvement and/0r the fevered whispering of those who are close to CW who appear to loathe SW and are spreading rumors about her character that confirm the biases that those who she rubbed the wrong way, developed.

What concerns me is that we actually already have a lot of evidence and logic supporting his guilt, IMO.

And yet some are nevertheless steadfast in believing there's reasonable doubt, even to the point of being convinced that a simple status conference scheduling change is going to result in the state giving up and accepting a plea that absolves this dude from guilt of killing his kids, because there's just got to be evidence so compelling to show what a villain and horrible person SW is, that even though none of it is likely remotely close to relevant to who killed the kids, well come on. A woman like that just MUST be a murderer.

I'm worried about who is going to end up on that jury.

 

[Best of What's Around]

It's going to be super compelling hearing what she has to say and reading texts between them, etc.

I'm interested to see how many times was he texting and calling her the day before and the day of and the day after the murders. And what was he saying?

My educated guess is before the murders something akin to we need to talk and after the murders...please at least tell me where you are going with the kids. There is no need to take off like this. I have a right to know where my children are? You are not thinking straight, come home (or stay if you haven't left yet) and let's discuss this.

ALL IMO

 

[maeleemae]

That's a terrible event, the poor child. It would play on your mind I'm sure for years but the point I got from your account, you saw him turning blue in person, it wasn't on a tiny baby monitor screen. If you can check out the video a few pages back that SW made while in bed, the baby monitor is clearly seen on the night stand, and it's just not possible, imo, for CW to see Bella blue.

No, my comment was in response to someone asking how long it takes after death to turn blue. I mentiond the very near drowning of the little boy as an example of skin color change with oxygen deprivation while still alive. I know the process would have been blue and then black. I didn’t see that process, if I had been there sooner, of course I would’ve jumped in to save him. There were no adults around. When I ran in, he was already black. Now that I think of it, he could’ve been dead and the first responders brought him back. I don’t know this to be sure. I do know that the little boy’s father questioned his girlfriend as to why she wasn’t watching him and she told him she quickly had to use the restroom and had just left him for a moment. I knew that was a lie. I’d seen her laying in the sauna. She knew I knew it was a lie. I got some pleading, sideways glances from her but I told him the truth. The whole thing was awful.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I bet your friend's eyes didn't crinkle up with glee and humor the day after she found her baby dead. Like this:

Nor do I guess, if asked what you miss about your child, would the answer be telling them to eat their vegetables or they won't get their snack later. That was...unusual. I think he meant it to highlight that perhaps he even missed the mundane aspects of parenthood...but it failed IMO.

Would also like to re-point out on the thread here that when asked by one reporter what the WORST part about the situation was...he did not say what was true (that something bad could have happened to them) like he could have but instead asserted what was clearly FALSE -- "the not knowing." He had to have actually thought about this and determined it is what a parent of a missing child would say...and yet he had no problem inflicting that horror on his parents, sister, friends, SW's family...forever IMO.

 

[tmar]

Just logically, in this case, be it NUA who was first concerned, or the doctor's office, does not matter. They communicated. Their concerns were justified and sadly, validated.

We don't know what transpired during the conversation. Suffice to say that the doctor's office decided that basing on their information, the risk to SW, DANGER, overrode privacy. And boy, were they right.

When I was running late for one of my Doctor's appointments, I received a phone call from the Surgery.
Similar here, the Surgery may have tried to reach SW, and did not receive a reply.

 

[katydid23]

Based on the interviews of CW and friends, I don't believe the phone was turned off. Otherwise people would have said their calls to SW went straight to voicemail.

That is probably correct. And if so, then he must have known where it was. Because all he had to do was call her cell to hear it ringing. I wonder if there are any calls to her cell early that awful morning?

 

[Thepoet]

Yes. But I can imagine him turning on the light as he runs around the house getting what he needs to transport their bodies so he can check to make sure every now and then that they didn't somehow revive.

Oh the gruesomeness of it all. I can't imagine being that sick of soul.

I think it would depend upon his reason(s) for killing them and when he killed them. If it was after the birthday party, but before his grilling, he wouldn't have needed light and would have seen his hideous crime clearly. If it was later, he may have had a light on for some sick, gruesome purpose. I agree with you about him running around the house. As I stated in an earlier post; I wonder if the neighbors camera recorded the (visible) lights in his house going on and off and at what times? Personally, I can't imagine doing any of the things he did, for any reason. It sickens me.

 

[katydid23]

I think this was just something they had to do immediately, as a matter of public relations.

This was a high profile case, and not only was a company employee charged with five counts of murder, but the bodies were dumped on company property.

They had to get out ahead of this.

I remember the Patriots did the same thing, the day Aaron Hernandez was arrested for murder.

Using the company truck to transport the dead bodies is probably enough to warrant termination. Let alone disposing of them on the work site.

 

[gitana1]

I believe CW planned to murder and then murdered his wife Shanann and children, Cece, Bella, and Nico. I believe the murders were then covered up by CW, and the bodies hidden, in a manner that satisfied some sick need in his warped mind. I have looked at and tried to fairly consider all of the facts and evidence, but I always return to his guilt. So, I made this list, and I still reach the same conclusion;

Did CW attempt to help any of the victims? – No! (he would have said so, if he had!)

Did CW yell, cry out, or do anything to attract attention? – No!

Did CW call anyone for help (911)? – No!

Did CW attempt to preserve the crime scene? – no!

Did CW attempt to mitigate his attack on SW to protect the unborn Nico? – No!

Did CW attempt to mitigate his attack on SW, to restrain the killer/witness? = No!

Did CW advise LE, at any time BEFORE he was made aware the truth was coming out, of an alternate explanation? – No! (Once he knew and understood the direction that LE was following and that his actions and behavior had been exposed, his confession became self-serving at best!)

At any time, before he was forced by circumstances, did CW tell the truth? – NO!

Did CW treat any of the bodies with the reverence and/or respect of a grieving parent? – No!

At any time, after NUA and LE arrived at the house, up to the current time, has CW proclaimed his love for his family or even used the word; love? – No!

At any time has CW expressed or shown any remorse, for anything? - No!

Has CW done anything that would lead a logical person to perceive innocence? – No!


Did CW kill any one? – Yes! (he’s confessed to killing SW, and by extension, Nico!)

Was CW the only survivor? – Yes!

Did CW remain quiet and do everything he could to hide the crimes? – Yes!

Did CW disrupt. manipulate, and change the crime scene? – Yes!

Did CW move and hide bodies? – Yes!

Did CW move and hide the bodies in a manner usually indicating guilt? – Yes!

Did CW treat the bodies disrespectfully and in a manner contrary to what would logically be expected by a moral society, and of a grieving parent? – Yes!

Did CW treat the bodies in a manner usually indicating mental aberration and guilt? – Yes!

Did CW attempt to manipulate others away from the truth (NUA, LE, the media)? - Yes!

Has CW lied? – Yes!

Has CW lied repeatedly and in a way indicating guilt? – Yes!

Is CW an adulterer? – Yes!

Is the adultery current? – Yes!

Has CW behaved in a manner (overall) contrary to that of a worried or grieving parent? – Yes

Has CW behaved in a manner that has caused experts to convey disbelief and concern? – Yes!

Has CW done anything that would lead a logical person to perceive guilt? – Yes!

Do the current facts and evidence greatly favor a belief of CW’s guilt of murdering his wife and children? – Yes!

Great list. It's also compelling that he felt it necessary to lie about his affair, in the context of a homicide/missing person's investigation. What? Why on earth would he think he needed to lie about that at that moment?

Wouldn't that be something he would admit to? "We had an emotional conversation about our marriage. It was over. I was seeing someone new and she confronted me. She got super upset and I guess she took our kids and left!"

Instead, he repeatedly lied about a stupid affair, right after supposedly witnessed the horror of his wife slaughtering his kids and losing everything that meant anything to him.

Why? Why would THAT be remotely important at a moment like that?

One reason only, IMO: That was the motive for what he did. There was no way he was going to reveal that to LE. His concealment of the affair at that moment shows consciousness of guilt. It's not something he would give two you know what's about after going through what he claims he did AND it would match up with his lame insinuation that she got upset and left him.

He hid it and lied because that affair was the crux of everything. Just like it was for Scott Peterson and Chris Coleman and Jason Young and countless others who murder spouses and/or families because they want out of the marriage without dividing assets, having to pay support and/or look like a jerk for leaving their spouse for an affair.

 

[tmar]

IMO his version will quickly fold up at trial.

There is no evidence to support it - other than his own claims

But can he really take the stand? That would be a disaster IMO

I would love to see this guy on the stand.
I am sure, his Defense would be against this.

 

[sun16]

If CW killed the girls anytime earlier in the evening Sunday (say around 5pm-9pm), would a coroner be able to tell that from the autopsies, or their hairs, even if they were submerged in oil? And I would think it was much easier to determine time of death of Shanann, yes?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Great list. It's also compelling that he felt it necessary to lie about his affair, in the context of a homicide/missing person's investigation. What? Why on earth would he think he needed to lie about that at that moment?

Wouldn't that be something he would admit to? "We had an emotional conversation about our marriage. It's was over. I was seeing someone new and she confronted me. She got super upset and I guess she took our kids and left!"

Instead, he repeatedly lied about a stupid affair, right after supposedly earshot his wife lsiagher his kids and losing everything that meant anything to him.

Why? Why would THAT be remotely important at a moment like that?

One reason only, IMO: That was the motive for what he did. There was no way he was going to reveal that to LE. His concealment of the affair at that moment shows consciousness of guilt. It's not something he would give two you know what's about after going through what he claims he did AND it would match up with his lame insinuation that she got upset and left him.

He hid it and lied because that affair was the crux of everything. Just like it was for Scott Peterson and Chris Coleman and Jason Young and countless others who murder spouses and/or families because they want out of the marriage without dividing assets, having to pay support and/or look like a jerk for leaving their spouse for an affair.

EXCELLENT point. If his version of events were remotely true, he had no reason to lie about the affair. That he thought he could get away with such a lie, not to mention the whole thing, still baffles me. Must not have been much of a true crime tv watcher. LE always finds out about affairs. And husbands/fathers should be no where near the location where their family died.