Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Best of What's Around]

Unfortunately, we don't know what SW would do if she were suicidal but if she were, she may very well have reached out to someone and that is a possibility. I don't think she would post it on social media for all to see, however. JMO

Do you think maybe she became suicidal that night if she discovered CW was somehow hurting the children?

 

[MyBelle]

I look forward to those. But I’m not expecting much.

We’ll learn cause of death, and possibly learn about the damage he inflicted on their bodies, postmortem.

Likely not much more than that.

Considering the Prosecution wants to seal the reports, I expect they contain essential information. JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

I didn't say CW thought of himself before saving the lives of his children. That's your assumption and opinion and we will agree to disagree. JMO

You said he assumed it was probably too late to save the kids and that he was afraid of the police, so that sounds to me like putting his own needs ahead of his children.

 

[MassGuy]

Considering the Prosecution wants to seal the reports, I expect they contain essential information. JMO

Inflamatory information if anything.

Being crammed into a small hole filled with oil, likely takes a toll on a child’s body.

I can’t imagine.

Those jurors will likely need mental health services after that trial.

I can’t fathom seeing those images, and hearing the grotesque details of what he did to them in life, and their bodies in death.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Considering the Prosecution wants to seal the reports, I expect they contain essential information. JMO

Oh, about CW hurting the kids? Do you think the prosecution wants to avoid tainting the jury pool because it is so heinous?

 

[MyBelle]

Do you think maybe she became suicidal that night if she discovered CW was somehow hurting the children?

I think SW became homicidal that night because she learned her husband was leaving her for another woman and SW's "perfect" life was over. JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

I didn't say CW thought of himself before saving the lives of his children. That's your assumption and opinion and we will agree to disagree. JMO

Okay, thanks for answering the first question. What are your thoughts on the other two questions? about letting his parents suffer and why dispose of the children and not just the wife?

 

[mrjitty]

There is zero evidence that SW was involved in any way.

This is something we really need to keep in mind because it's a classic approach for the defence to sling mud via their pleadings - hoping anything sticks, but to be light on actual evidence.

In this case we have what amounts to a bare claim made by the accused to the police.

As the only witness he will no doubt need to testify to this story for it to be taken seriously.

Whether there is any other corroborating evidence, we don't know.

 

[Charlot123]

Good point. Why is it everyone else's fault but CW? Even for his own actions?

I think they don’t like CW because she had some controlling traits. Maybe her patches somehow play a role, too.

I can just say that she and CW were, obviously, a poor match. (Nonetheless, she was a good mother to two lovely kids and somehow steered her small ship, that family).

However, even the opportunity to divorce and find someone else, a better match for herself, was taken away from SW. She, her daughters, and the child she was carrying were all brutally murdered. By CW who is trying to implicate his dead wife.

So it is about justice for them. Let us be fair, and honest.

 

[MyBelle]

You said he assumed it was probably too late to save the kids and that he was afraid of the police, so that sounds to me like putting his own needs ahead of his children.

Respectfully, I didn't say he assumed it was too late to save the kids, I said I think he did CPR and it was ineffective. I'll agree to disagree and move on.

 

[MassGuy]

This is something we really need to keep in mind because it's a classic approach for the defence to sling mud via their pleadings - hoping anything sticks, but to be light on actual evidence.

In this case we have what amounts to a bare claim made by the accused to the police.

As the only witness he will no doubt need to testify to this story for it to be taken seriously.

Whether there is any other corroborating evidence, we don't know.

Absolutely agree. I highly doubt he will testify though (arrogance aside).

It would open way too many doors, doors that he would like to keep closed.

It would hurt him in court, but it would also hurt him on a deeper level as well.

His image is everything to him, and he may have killed (in part) to protect it.

I don’t think he will chance that.

 

[mrjitty]

If the prosecution has to resort to the body disposal as circumstantial evidence CW murdered the children, they better have more evidence that he murdered the children because the defense will counter that CW panicked because he thought LE wouldn't believe him. They will also drag SW's character, medical history, text messages, social media, etc. into evidence. This defense intends to put up a fight if there isn't a plea deal. JMO

Of course they will have more evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

Oh, about CW hurting the kids? Do you think the prosecution wants to avoid tainting the jury pool because it is so heinous?

If there is evidence in the autopsy reports that SW rather than CW murdered the children the air pretty much deflates from that "heinous" balloon. JMO

 

[Best of What's Around]

Respectfully, I didn't say he assumed it was too late to save the kids, I said I think he did CPR and it was ineffective. I'll agree to disagree and move on.

Do you think there will be evidence that CPR was performed on the bodies? Would you be surprised if there is not?

 

[mrjitty]

Absolutely agree. I highly doubt he will testify though (arrogance aside).

It would open way too many doors, doors that he would like to keep closed.

It would hurt him in court, but it would also hurt him on a deeper level as well.

His image is everything to him, and he may have killed (in part) to protect it.

I don’t think he will chance that.

I agree. It's hardly likely he will testify.

But then the problem will be there is no evidence of SW's involvement.

Of course there will be plenty of mudslinging - but none of that will be direct evidence tying her to the act of murder.

 

[Best of What's Around]

If there is evidence in the autopsy reports that SW rather than CW murdered the children the air pretty much deflates from that "heinous" balloon. JMO

How could there be evidence in the autopsy reports that SW committed the murders if you said the police would never have believed CW's story he didn't do it? If there is evidence he didn't do it, there was nothing to hide when it came to the bodies of the children. Why hide them?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

We don't know what CW did or did not do. I think he may have tried CPR and had no luck and that's why he didn't call 911. Even if EMS responded, that long without oxygenated blood to the brain would certainly mean brain death. CW knew police would not believe his story and he was right. JMO

Oh come on, really? I wrote a long post but I've removed it because I just can't get past your last comment. I get it, the cops are bad, we can't believe them, CW did nothing to warrant suspicion, he's as normal as can be, the porch interviews mean nothing, the discarding of the girls in tanks of oil is no big deal, he'll be vindicated. I think I've got the drift and I'm out.

 

[mrjitty]

No innocent man, EVER, has resorted to those types of measures and not been the guilty party.

The only types of cases I can think of are like De Orr where most likely one spouse killed the child via abuse/neglect and we don't know which it is. Then the spouses, having lost a child, collude to prevent further consequences to themselves.

But even in those cases, where the body is frequently buried, at least one spouse will be observed to be in a grieving process.

 

[mrjitty]

How could there be evidence in the autopsy reports that SW committed the murders if you said the police would never have believed CW's story he didn't do it? If there is evidence he didn't do it, there was nothing to hide when it came to the bodies of the children. Why hide them?

The irony is that by moving the bodies, he removed the evidence of her guilt

This makes no sense.

In such cases, the spouse normally colludes in this way to protect the other spouse.

 

[katydid23]

It's called the Medusa Complex after Greek mythology. Women kill their children after they learn there is another woman. The murders are purely for revenge and to punish the husband and father in an emotion that overrides the mother's love for the children. She has no intention of "sharing" the children with another woman and would rather kill them than share them.

Marilyn Lemak killed her children because she found an email from David's new girlfriend and it said she looked forward to meeting the children that weekend. Marilyn made sure that meeting never took place. David later married the woman and had a child with her but he was obviously emotionally devastated by the loss of his three children. JMO

There was a little more to it than just that email.

She had been working as a nurse, and she married a Doctor, from the clinic where she worked. She stayed home with the kids, but eventually went back to work, part time. Her husband began an affair with a coworker/friend of hers. When he moved out, he rented a home literally around the corner from his old home, and on the way to the kid's school.

So she lost all of her 'safe' places. She didn't feel comfortable going back to the job because of the mistress. She lost her life and her friendships there.

And when she drove the kids to school, she'd see her husband's and his girlfriends cars in the driveway of his new place. That was emotional for her too.

So this went on for many weeks. This emotional turmoil and anxiety.


This woman did not find out about the mistress, then go immediately kill the children the first night. She had an emotional breakdown, went for treatment, was taking meds, but couldn't cope and had a horrible sick and twisted reaction in the end.