Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #45

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  • #381
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We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

He committed murder. He acknowledged such. I just can not come up with a reason for saying what he said happened other than that is what happened per the only facts we have at this time.

People all the the time talk about people snapping - yet for some reason in this case a person who just learned that her rock is leaving, is in love with someone else might have a seriously intense impulsive response.

Being high strung is not victim bashing. She was high strung. In the narration of the video recently posted she described wild mood swings. That is not victim bashing - that is a fact based on her self report.

She described long history of feeling rejected. Being alone. Learning that she is back to being alone again might very well be an emotional issue for a high strung individual that suffers with intense mood swings. That is not a character flaw.

Turning that into victim bashing makes mental issues a personal flaw. She had problems with interpersonal relationships - per her self report. She described being down a lot. That is mood stuff. Mood stuff is not bashing.

I am confident many here have read other information on line (some could be accurate IMO there are a lot of reports that fit with some issues). That will come out - maybe. Again, empathy should be the response - not bashing posters that are open to other possibilities.

I was stunned when the confession came out -- for days they had erroneously been reporting that he confessed to killing everyone. I am fair however. In much the same way I can ponder if his steroid abuse did not result in him losing it , I am open to possibility that she too, lost it that night. In fact, at this point that is only "report" we have.

I just can not grasp the notion that the world will think better of me if I "only" killed my wife and "only" did horrible things with the remains.
BBM -- Been away from threads since last night and jumped in midway. Did I miss an announcement that CW is/was using steroids?
 
  • #382
Hmmm, would SW normally confide in you about CW or other private matters? Would she normally admit to feeling tired and cranky or was this an unusual occurrence? Is your opinion changing about SW, do you think she did kill her girls or CW's saying she did, holds water?

Yes, we discussed our husbands, the usually complaints, not taking out trash, etc. Because she has lupus and fibro among other health issues, tired and cranky were pretty normal, especially in her pregnancies. I don't think she had one thing to do with killing those babies! IMO he killed them all.
 
  • #383
IMO he saw the blue on each of their faces as his hands were wrapped around their necks strangling the life out of them and his face was inches away from the faces of Bella, CeCe, and Shannan while he watched them die.
That sounds much more believable.
 
  • #384
Sorry Butterfly, this thread must be very hard for you.

Thank you, it is hard. I ignore a lot, just scroll and roll.
 
  • #385
I am wondering how this blue was seen. People have said that him seeing it on the monitor is not possible.

Her plane was delayed and we see by a picture posted that she knew as early as 6:30 pm that the plane was delayed. He must have been informed that as well.

Would he kill the children not knowing when she may return?

If anyone looks in their bedroom at night, can you see color?

People have dismissed him turning on the light to kill the children.

Others with credentials have said that the body does not turn blue. Others claim it does.

The blue is unanswered to me as far as when he saw it
Those were his words. AB did a demonstration with the same baby monitor and everything looks blue in the nighttime mode. Skin, bedding, etc all look the same which is where the comments came from of being able to distinguish that the toddler was blue. If he did kill the children in advance and his plan was to kill SW, I don’t think he would be concerned about when she arrived home since she was not going to be alive.
 
  • #386
Colorado Judicial Branch

Many of these motions are signed, "Megan Ring" State of Colorado Public Defender. And John Wright (?).

Is CW using a public defender? Has he been declared "indigent"?
 
  • #387
That is a long time to have known her. Have you gone through the channels to be a VI? Sorry for all the questions, but that's a long friendship and seems could be insightful

It was a long friendship. I am blessed to have known Shanann. She really was an amazing determined woman. From reading the VI rules, I'm not allowed as no in person meetings. We tried, but I am a lot sicker than she was, travel is out of the question for me.
 
  • #388
Sorry Butterfly, this thread must be very hard for you.

I hope that there is even some comfort for persons like BabyButterfly in the fact that there is still a majority of people who are on Shannan's site and just want's justice to be served for her and her little babies!
 
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BBM -- Been away from threads since last night and jumped in midway. Did I miss an announcement that CW is/was using steroids?
Nope. Just more "speculation"jmo
 
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Yes, we discussed our husbands, the usually complaints, not taking out trash, etc. Because she has lupus and fibro among other health issues, tired and cranky were pretty normal, especially in her pregnancies. I don't think she had one thing to do with killing those babies! IMO he killed them all.
Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry for your loss.

And thank you for your posts. Kinda blows those vicious rumors about Shanann faking her illnesses out of the water. jmo
 
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It was a long friendship. I am blessed to have known Shanann. She really was an amazing determined woman. From reading the VI rules, I'm not allowed as no in person meetings. We tried, but I am a lot sicker than she was, travel is out of the question for me.


I truly hope that you are okay Butterfly. I don't know very much about Lupus.

You seem like such a wonderful person.

I hope you can travel soon.
 
  • #392
I truly hope that you are okay Butterfly. I don't know very much about Lupus.

You seem like such a wonderful person.

I hope you can travel soon.

Better days are coming, I just know it! Thank you. :D
 
  • #393
Yes, we discussed our husbands, the usually complaints, not taking out trash, etc. Because she has lupus and fibro among other health issues, tired and cranky were pretty normal, especially in her pregnancies. I don't think she had one thing to do with killing those babies! IMO he killed them all.
Sorry for your loss, even a fb friend means a lot, those moments you share together are significant, history tells of treasured pen pals across the water who held a part of someone's heart and the sorrow felt when they've departed this world.

Maybe, I am grasping at straws, I want to see CW showed signs of detaching and preparing himself for what happened, otherwise it means it came out of nowhere. He was a ticking time bomb. This could be said for SW too (if I disregard her posts/videos or anything I've learned about her), it just isn't feasible imo that she would do it that night while CW was only feet away. She'd take time to prepare for a revenge killing, CW had time to prepare to put thoughts into action.
 
  • #394
Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry for your loss.

And thank you for your posts. Kinda blows those vicious rumors about Shanann faking her illnesses out of the water. jmo

We shared blood test results, often. So if they do decide to bring up her medical records, it's all there. No faking involved.
 
  • #395
No I am not a verified insider. I was friends with Shanann since before CW was in the picture. I became friends with her in a lupus group, after leaving the group, we stayed friends. We talked often on the phone and on fb.

Same here. I knew her through a Lupus support group. I can't add anything to the discussion because we weren't "friends", but I interacted a lot with her online. Many of us in the Lupus FB world got to know her through the groups she belonged to.
 
  • #396
We shared blood test results, often. So if they do decide to bring up her medical records, it's all there. No faking involved.
I believe you, and I believe Shanann. Thank you so much for bringing up blood tests that will be verifiable.

Hopefully this will help to dispel at least some of the disgustingly vicious rumors being spread about Shanann. jmo
 
  • #397
Those were his words. AB did a demonstration with the same baby monitor and everything looks blue in the nighttime mode. Skin, bedding, etc all look the same which is where the comments came from of being able to distinguish that the toddler was blue. If he did kill the children in advance and his plan was to kill SW, I don’t think he would be concerned about when she arrived home since she was not going to be alive.
Did they show a video of the demonstration? I havent heard this before. It would be great to see it.
 
  • #398
I'm sorry, am I missing something important here? This picture was one minute out over ten thousand minutes that he was in NC. Had the picture been taken maybe five minutes before or after, we may have seen something completely different? Believe me, I'm not defending him, but this picture seems to have no meaning to me. If I'm not seeing some meaning, please explain.
I think it just correlates with the witness who said that she was there and talked to them while they waited on line. She noticed that Shanann was interacting with the kids and noticed that CW was distant and not paying attention or interacting with them at all. Jmo
 
  • #399
We shared blood test results, often. So if they do decide to bring up her medical records, it's all there. No faking involved.
So much for the Shannan was faking her illnesses and it will be proven through the sealed HIPPA filing theory. jmo
 
  • #400
Did they show a video of the demonstration? I havent heard this before. It would be great to see it.
Video from SW's Facebook:
Shanann Watts

Clip from Ashleigh Banfield regarding the baby monitor.
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