Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #56

[JudgeJudi]

That wasn't Trinket. It was @Colorado303

Thanks Ronso, you're right. I've deleted it. Head isn't back into first gear yet.

 

[chi123]

I don’t think they got the year wrong. They retrieved NK’s phone records in the days after the murders.

Therefore, her data would only be visible/pertinent up until the middle of August.

They’d only have everything prior to that, to potentially include September 2017.

This would make her story that the relationship just started in June totally false then, right? Why else would she be searching for Shanann and CW September of last year?

 

[MassGuy]

This would make her story that the relationship just started in June totally false then, right? Why else would she be searching for Shanann and CW September of last year?

She may have just taken an interest in him at work. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the relationship started before June.

 

[BelleIsle]

I finished reading the phone convo section. Just as gitana1 wrote out the lyrics to a song in an earlier comment (threads ago) this is what CW did after disposing of his family. Gitana, You were so accurate it is amazing.

Someone said he was a shell of a person, exactly. He had to Google how to love & how to write a love letter, had to supply the words for that letter with lyrics from songs, he completely became the image of whoever his partner wanted him to be, their interests became his facade.

I said earlier that Shan'ann, because of her kind heart, might have tried to fix that "family", CW's family, and she did. She tried so hard! CW and his parents are vile, they tried to squash her emotionally and when they couldn't they rallied around to bash her with their words. They are despicable.

To Shan'ann's family, I am so sorry that they ever had access to your daughter and grand babies. They seem to feel zero remorse or culpability for the way they treated them. I think that all of us here wish that we could have kept Shan'ann and her children safe, you must wish this too, but don't carry that load, please. She was up against something that could not have been foreseen, not by people who think logically and have real emotions, like love and compassion, empathy. CW is defective, his family structure is defective, they don't see reality in the way that normal people do. Shan'ann did the right thing by pushing back and trying to get them to change, no one could know how all of this was adding up in CW's sadistic brain.

I am going to go against the idea that we cannot ever predict these things. If we think normally and as people with well-formed identities and healthy emotions, we cannot. But, if we have enough guidance to tell us what signs to look for in the families that we conjoin with our own, maybe we can begin to understand that we cannot always make excuses for the irrational behavior of others. Maybe we can show our kids to really listen to and obey their inner voice that tells them: You are not being valued, this could get worse very quickly, it's ok to walk away, NOW. It might help in certain instances. I don't know how else to defend against this type of enmeshment.
Kind people are born to be kind, like Shan'ann. People who are used to this type of emotional abuse are sometimes more tolerant of it in their (ex, ha) spouse, like myself (not anymore). There are so very many people who sociopaths and narcissists can manipulate. It sucks.

No "normal" person assumes their spouse will do this, but after reading all of these pages and pages of texts I can tell you that if I had a brother with personality defects, I would provide that safe space for his wife and kids. I would be the one to say, you know, if it doesn't seem ok, let me help you, you could be very right about my brother, maybe you aren't safe with him. Recognizing the personality traits of these disorders is the first step for immediate family members. Usually at least one of us sees that our family is messed the heck up! We need to open our heart to this idea, and even if we don't see it in ourselves (narcissism, sociopathy) we need to be open to what our kids tell us about ourselves.

There will always be the wild card, the person who annihilates their family in broad daylight, but it seems like those are less common (educate me; are they?). I don't know, Websleuths people, how else do we protect our children and grandchildren from this? CW's parents are so typical of this type of familial disorder, even the nuts incident rang true for what I have seen of my own parents. I think extended family needs to step up at some point and do as much as they can to shed light on the dynamics that are destroying lives. CW was at fault for his own actions. Maybe we can make it obvious who the CW's of the world are if we speak up.

 

[Mitch11]

When I was expecting my first child, I had a neighbour who had just come home from hospital to discover that her husband had been having an affair for the duration of her pregnancy. Within hours of bringing the baby home, he told her he was leaving her for the mistress. She was beyond devastated. My friends and I gave her all the support we could, but 18 months later, she did exactly the same thing to another woman. I would have thought, knowing what a painful experience it was to be treated like that, it would be the last thing you'd do to another woman. I just don't get how women can be so unbelievably brutal to one another.

Thats awful. I do wonder how much self esteem is involved for the women involved. If you really felt good about who you were, and knew you deserved to be with a great person, then you wouldn't act this way. I know people say 'you cant help who you fall in love with' but I dont buy that at all. We all make judgements on a daily basis about those around us, based on our morals, our own judgements and past experience.

 

[Mitch11]

They really do. Cant remember the name of the disorder, but basically attracted to inmates because they have complete control - they always know where there "partner" is, and they wont cheat on them, etc.

Moo

Except with the other 100 women they are writing too!

 

[BelleIsle]

It was so upsetting to read Shan'ann questioning if she had done something to cause CW's behavior toward her. No, Shan'ann, none of it was your fault.

I had to get this out.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Except with the other 100 women they are writing too!

Exactly. Delusional in more ways than one.

Moo

 

[MassGuy]

I finished reading the phone convo section. Just as gitana1 wrote out the lyrics to a song in an earlier comment (threads ago) this is what CW did after disposing of his family. Gitana, You were so accurate it is amazing.

Someone said he was a shell of a person, exactly. He had to Google how to love & how to write a love letter, had to supply the words for that letter with lyrics from songs, he completely became the image of whoever his partner wanted him to be, their interests became his facade.

I said earlier that Shan'ann, because of her kind heart, might have tried to fix that "family", CW's family, and she did. She tried so hard! CW and his parents are vile, they tried to squash her emotionally and when they couldn't they rallied around to bash her with their words. They are despicable.

To Shan'ann's family, I am so sorry that they ever had access to your daughter and grand babies. They seem to feel zero remorse or culpability for the way they treated them. I think that all of us here wish that we could have kept Shan'ann and her children safe, you must wish this too, but don't carry that load, please. She was up against something that could not have been foreseen, not by people who think logically and have real emotions, like love and compassion, empathy. CW is defective, his family structure is defective, they don't see reality in the way that normal people do. Shan'ann did the right thing by pushing back and trying to get them to change, no one could know how all of this was adding up in CW's sadistic brain.

I am going to go against the idea that we cannot ever predict these things. If we think normally and as people with well-formed identities and healthy emotions, we cannot. But, if we have enough guidance to tell us what signs to look for in the families that we conjoin with our own, maybe we can begin to understand that we cannot always make excuses for the irrational behavior of others. Maybe we can show our kids to really listen to and obey their inner voice that tells them: You are not being valued, this could get worse very quickly, it's ok to walk away, NOW. It might help in certain instances. I don't know how else to defend against this type of enmeshment.
Kind people are born to be kind, like Shan'ann. People who are used to this type of emotional abuse are sometimes more tolerant of it in their (ex, ha) spouse, like myself (not anymore). There are so very many people who sociopaths and narcissists can manipulate. It sucks.

No "normal" person assumes their spouse will do this, but after reading all of these pages and pages of texts I can tell you that if I had a brother with personality defects, I would provide that safe space for his wife and kids. I would be the one to say, you know, if it doesn't seem ok, let me help you, you could be very right about my brother, maybe you aren't safe with him. Recognizing the personality traits of these disorders is the first step for immediate family members. Usually at least one of us sees that our family is messed the heck up! We need to open our heart to this idea, and even if we don't see it in ourselves (narcissism, sociopathy) we need to be open to what our kids tell us about ourselves.

There will always be the wild card, the person who annihilates their family in broad daylight, but it seems like those are less common (educate me; are they?). I don't know, Websleuths people, how else do we protect our children and grandchildren from this? CW's parents are so typical of this type of familial disorder, even the nuts incident rang true for what I have seen of my own parents. I think extended family needs to step up at some point and do as much as they can to shed light on the dynamics that are destroying lives. CW was at fault for his own actions. Maybe we can make is obvious who the CW's of the world are if we speak up.

Unfortunately, there are untold numbers of families with this type of dysfunction.

There are many men just like CW. Fortunately, most of them don’t kill their families.

CW is nothing but a facade, a man in a mask. The way he treated NK, was likely the same way that he treated Shanann in the beginning of their relationship.

Eventually the mask came off, and it was too late for Shanann and her kids.

Sure there are warning signs, but no one expects that a guy with no history of violence is going to turn into a murderous monster.

She thought the marriage was falling apart, but she never believed that the lives of her or her kids were in danger.

You can’t run from a monster that you don’t see coming.

These types of crimes are rare on the whole, and that’s the only silver lining here.

 

[chi123]

Welp, finally made it through most of the 1900 pages. Just devastating to read. This could have been so easily solved if the just got a divorce like a normal human being. Shan'ann would be back in NC with her beautiful children and loving family and friends celebrating thanksgiving, and Chris could be with Nicole doing god knows what.

It really gets me too like Belleisle said above that she was blaming herself in some texts. She did everything possible and MORE to save the marriage.

Happy thanksgiving everyone. It will be good to unplug for a day or 2 after this case.

 

[kiwilaura]

She was anxious to get home from Arizona, because she thought he "was coming round" and things were improving. He agreed to go away with her the following weekend, knowing he was never actually going to go. The tragedy is never ending.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I really feel the Watts just projected their own dysfunction onto SW.

Absolutely. Everything they said she was, was actually them.

This is absolutely horrifying. This is so much worse than I could have imagined. I feel sick that one of them was right here working their sick, evil smear campaign.

 

[JudgeJudi]

So Cindy and the sister not going was bad right from the beginning and I would love to know what was SO BAD that they refused to go.

Coz they liked his old skater boy look and all that hair gel and Shan'ann updated his appearance to that of a man. Mommy Dearest didn't like her influence over her little boy.

 

[mrjitty]

And there is is

page 2105

"I told him last night I don't feel safe with him after what he said about the baby...."

Reminds me of Reeva's texts.

When these people reveal their real nature, they are scary people.

 

[cailleach]

Edited to say that our member Ronso has the discovery page posted. In the documents, it says NK Googled "Shanann Watts on September 1, 2017. Here is the link to Ronso's post Found Deceased - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #56

As was pointed out NK had nothing to do with the murders but this tidbit of information does bother me.

Do you think this could be a typo? That maybe she did the Google search Sept 1, 2018? That would make more sense. If not then NK lied about a lot of things.

I don't think it was a typo because she was also googling Chris in 2017. Reading her testimony in the interviews also paints a different story than the one she told last week. She lied, not as about as important things as CW but nonetheless was dishonest.

 

[mrjitty]

The photo of the doll is just so chilling now we can see the full course of text messages.

 

[nells]

@gitana1 Have you ever seen an evidence dump like this before? Is this normal? A lot of innocent peoples privacy has been violated.

Hello, longtime lurker, returning to discuss this case: Does anyone know why the investigators released so much info? There is a lot of private info and some things (handwritten notes/lists, maybe?) could have been left out.

 

[scandinavian girl]

I have no idea what a pornhub is and I am very reluctant to google it, before I do can someone tell me if I it is a pornsite, I don´t think I need a very detailed explanation though

 

[MassGuy]

I have no idea what a pornhub is and I am very reluctant to google it, before I do can someone tell me if I it is a pornsite, I don´t think I need a very detailed explanation though

Haaaaaa. Yes. Like YouTube, but with people having sex.

 

[mtnlites]

Welp, finally made it through most of the 1900 pages. Just devastating to read. This could have been so easily solved if the just got a divorce like a normal human being. Shan'ann would be back in NC with her beautiful children and loving family and friends celebrating thanksgiving, and Chris could be with Nicole doing god knows what.

It really gets me too like Belleisle said above that she was blaming herself in some texts. She did everything possible and MORE to save the marriage.

Happy thanksgiving everyone. It will be good to unplug for a day or 2 after this case.

She was BEGGING him to talk to her. All he had to say was that he met someone else and wanted a divorce. That was it. She'd have accepted it and moved on. I think she was wanting to hear something definite. Instead, he strung her along, assuring her that he would "fix" things.