GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #58

[stereopticons]

Has anyone come up with the reason why NK was searching SW on Google in September 2017? Is NK still classified here as a collateral victim of CW?

I think she was seeing him long before June. Maybe she was interested in hooking up with him long before that and is the one who came onto him. Maybe she had no concern for his marriage, his wife or his children. Maybe she even knows more about their deaths than LE knows. Maybe LE didn’t search her past enough. Maybe some of you believe this is all irrelevant now. I am very suspicious of her involvement now. Yes CW did the killing but what did she know and when did she really know it?

I do not see her as a victim anymore of anything.

ETA: The Denver Post quoted her as saying she and CW didn’t discuss a future but her google searches show she was searching wedding dresses, and he was searching jewelry and vacation spots. They were very much into the future.

She’s still a victim. She had nothing to do with the murders. I think most of the somewhat sketchy things she did were an effort at self-preservation. I think she was afraid of being implicated if she was too close to CW. But whatever she knew going into the relationship , she did not know she was getting involved with a murderer. MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

They are still very angry with NK and he says his family is not done seeking justice yet.

All right, go Frankie!!

 

[scdiv]

One other thing that stood out to me in the reports is that SW never even went through CW's phone. Even when her friends asked and encouraged her to go through his phone, she said she had not. Granted he was storing things in "secret calculators" but it just shows how that showed him trust and respect, gave him the benefit of asking, etc. Not exactly signs of a controlling, dramatic, narcissistic wife.

 

[MassGuy]

She’s still a victim. She had nothing to do with the murders. I think most of the somewhat sketchy things she did were an effort at self-preservation. I think she was afraid of being implicated if she was too close to CW. But whatever she knew going into the relationship , she did not know she was getting involved with a murderer. MOO.

Yeah. I think part of it was fear of being implicated, and another part was an attempt to save face.

I think most people would downplay behavior that others would frown upon, especially in a situation like this.

 

[katikaboom]

Really how far back have you looked. Have you crossed referenced Dates and Names with addresses in Codis. How do you know?

i'm assuming this is in refrence to

Those are apartment complexes, What would it matter who else was 'living there.'

And many of those dates overlap. So this could not be an accurate representation of her living situation. She has owned two homes and lived in them for the majority of the past decade or more.

Before that, she was no different than any other young single person. Moving around from apt. to apt. and from lease to lease.

I am not picking up on what you are trying to lay down here...

at least of one of the addresses is a place of business, too. i use to work right down the road from it.

 

[Bravo]

And Amber F. actually helped LE. Speaking to her further talking with Scooter and LE tapped in. I really felt for her. She was transparent.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't understand people who say they don't judge. Do they mean there should be no punishment for crimes? They remind me too much of the Watts family dishing out forgiveness and absolution, before the ink was even dry on the court papers!

And plenty of malicious judgment of Shanann.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Please continue the discussion here. NK has turned out not to be a victim, but you still cannot call her names or wish violence against her. Just refer to her as NK or Nichol. Name calling and wishing violence upon anyone violate TOS no matter who is being discussed. And do not sleuth her family.

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[stereopticons]

Yeah. I think part of it was fear of being implicated, and another part was an attempt to save face.

I think most people would downplay behavior that others would frown upon, especially in a situation like this.

I agree. Even though her behavior is not...great, I do understand why she did what she did. Fear is a very strong motivator.

 

[katikaboom]

Wow..... I can't believe after all this time I missed it! Glad I stuck around to finally get the parallel universe part! Thanks MassGuy!

I know this post was in jest, but i lived in fayetteville from 2007-2010. i moved 3 times, and would have moved more if i hadn't found a landlord that knew my SO's family. rents were being really weird and a lot of the apartments in the area at the time were run by people that were only a little better than slumlords. add a HUGE military population, and it was fairly easy to find a new place if your old one was unacceptable.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

And Amber F. actually helped LE. Speaking to her further talking with Scooter and LE tapped in. I really felt for her. She was transparent.

And she was visibly disturbed and shocked. Not the vibe I'm getting here.

Moo

 

[amiless]

Here, the Court Material was posted.
Shan'ann's name only appeared, as she was 'Co Manager' at the time.
It appeared there was not a Case to follow.
There was no criminal activity involved, on anyone's behalf.
Another 'made up' "storm in a teacup".
MOO.

Thank you for that information.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

One other thing that stood out to me in the reports is that SW never even went through CW's phone. Even when her friends asked and encouraged her to go through his phone, she said she had not. Granted he was storing things in "secret calculators" but it just shows how that showed him trust and respect, gave him the benefit of asking, etc. Not exactly signs of a controlling, dramatic, narcissistic wife.

Didn't @trinket say the exact opposite, that Shanann always went through his phone. I just wonder if CW complained to his family or was this made up, like the 'letter'?! Who was responsible for it?

 

[Love Never Fails]

She’s still a victim. She had nothing to do with the murders. I think most of the somewhat sketchy things she did were an effort at self-preservation. I think she was afraid of being implicated if she was too close to CW. But whatever she knew going into the relationship , she did not know she was getting involved with a murderer. MOO.

Thank you for your answer so for now I won’t bash any “victim”.
But MOO is she isn’t the simply innocent, self-preserving creature you believe her to be.

 

[zencompass]

When C.W. 's life sentence was announced, that signalled the end of my participation in this thread.

This was a very shocking and deeply saddening thread from the beginning and I greatly appreciated all of the deep compassion we all shared together on this.

I want to say thank you to everyone on this thread, for not only your insight into this case, but your empathy and compassion.

While Shanann's family will continue to endure the tremendous loss of this beautiful family, Shanann's and their beautiful grandchildren's lights will shine forever in their hearts.

My heart goes out to them and to all loved ones who are suffering great losses in their lives.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Yeah. I think part of it was fear of being implicated, and another part was an attempt to save face.

I think most people would downplay behavior that others would frown upon, especially in a situation like this.

Maybe downplaying behavior to the media.

But to not be forthcoming in a murder investigation, to delete activity and asks friends to do the same is a whole other thing.

Moo

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Here, it was stated, a co worker, saw them being very close together when chatting, months earlier.
Maybe his name was David.
MOO.

5 MONTHS AGO (from the time of the murder)

Discovery page 757

"BROWN said now that he has had a chance to think about the situation he thinks WATTS may have been dating a girl in the Anadarko office. BROWN said he thought WATTS was dating a girl named ³NIKKI´. BROWN said he saw WATTS and ³NIKKI´ standing near the break room talking together. BROWN said he thought WATTS and ³NIKKI´ were standing e[tremely close and BROWN thought that was unusual. BROWN thought that happened about five months ago."

*So, this coziness at work between CW and NK would have been observed, around March??

 

[stereopticons]

Thank you for your answer so for now I won’t bash any “victim”.
But MOO is she isn’t the simply innocent, self-preserving creature you believe her to be.

I don’t know if I would call her innocent, though she is innocent in relation to the murders themselves. Her behavior was morally questionable, and I absolutely understand why people are upset with her. But I also understand why she did it, and I think it was motivated by fear.

 

[tmar]

I really love the discharge date listed here.

Someone with a sense of humour, by putting in figures.

 

[liltexans]

Hey everyone,

We're cleaning up the thread. No need to alert further. Just move along with another topic. Thanks!