GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[Tuliptiptoe]

Okay, yes- his story kept changing. He met him on tinder, then he met him on meetme. Then he posted screenshots of alleged fb convos between him and CW. He also said he met Bella and CeCe at one point. I honestly don’t remember if he said that when he was interviewed bc I skipped past most of the discovery that included him bc I just don’t buy it.

I remember some of this. If it's the same guy he goes around inserting himself into crimes and will even fly into other states to do so.

Def a mental disorder going on.
Moo

 

[MsBetsy]

A psychologist told me a person with NPD is a psychopath whether they ever act on their impulses or not. I was dealing with a stalker who was court ordered to take a psych eval he was diagnosed with MND and a psychopath.

Do you think psychologists will ever interview CW's and make their findings public?

I think so. I'm hoping one of the forensic psychologist authors who have written books about other cases will write about this case. The one who wrote the book "Inside the mind of Scott Peterson," would be perfect. I forgot his name but I'm sure someone knows. But either way I think someone will. It depends on how willing CW or family members are to give information. They can always interview friends and teachers too. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

I think they just narrowed it down to methods that wouldn’t leave behind an obvious crime scene, right?

Exactly. Clearly this wasn’t a shooting or stabbing event. No blood is indicative of a bloodless method of violence, so you are really only left with strangulation or suffocation.

 

[x_files]

Narcissism is much more complicated many realize. And, I believe, most big political figures are narcs to some degree. Really, we all all...but like any personality trait, narcissism falls along a spectrum from normal and healthy (self-love) to malignant and dangerous.

CW need not be "like Trump" to be a narcissist.

exactly, not all are flashy, bombastic and extroverted.

 

[MassGuy]

Chris Watts' mistress was searching for wedding dresses a week before murders, Googled 'anal sex' | Daily Mail Online

The hits keep on coming for NK.

 

[LovesChocolate]

I think they just narrowed it down to methods that wouldn’t leave behind an obvious crime scene, right?

True. And I'm sure having worked hundreds (thousands?) of crime scenes and interviewed hundreds of criminals, they have a pretty good idea how things might have occurred just from eyeballing a scene. I'm willing to bet CW isn't the first husband to strangle his partner to death in their bed, then dispose of the body in a bedsheet.

Ugh.

 

[Thepoet]

He didn't fool me at all. Maybe it's the Domestic Abuse survivor in me. Blinders off picking up on little nuances,and inconsistacies.
It breaks my heart that Shannan,and her precious babies didn't get out alive.
She worked so valiantly to keep her family loved,safe,and happy.
While CW,and NK plotted behind her back.
Not saying I think Nk Helped with the murders, but she sure was gung Ho to replace Shannan at CW,'s side.

I wonder if NK has thought about the possibility that if things had gone differently; she might have been killed and dumped. For instance, if he had decided for some reason to stay with SW and "save the marriage" or had succeeded in getting rid of his family.

 

[LAHOLLA]

As open as the

I think so. I'm hoping one of the forensic psychologist authors who have written books about other cases will write about this case. The one who wrote the book "Inside the mind of Scott Peterson," would be perfect. I forgot his name but I'm sure someone knows. But either way I think someone will. It depends on how willing CW or family members are to give information. They can always interview friends and teachers too. Imo

I was so disappointed to not see a psych eval in the discovery. I would love to read one!

 

[Thinker Belle]

That doesn’t bear thinking about.

I agree and I wish I could get the image out of my mind. It’s been haunting me since I heard DA Rourke state that Bella fought back. I may need to take a break from following this case again so I can fill my mind and heart back up with happy things. It has been absolutely gut wrenching and soul shattering to follow this case and watch the trail of destruction that CW the monster has left behind.

 

[LAHOLLA]

True. And I'm sure having worked hundreds (thousands?) of crime scenes and interviewed hundreds of criminals, they have a pretty good idea how things might have occurred just from eyeballing a scene. I'm willing to bet CW isn't the first husband to strangle his partner to death in their bed, then dispose of the body in a bedsheet.

Ugh.

It’s so horrifying. My ex has some significant PTSD from combat. I always wonder about the people who investigate crimes like this. I know it has to stay with them forever

 

[The Farm]

I wonder if NK has thought about the possibility that if things had gone differently; she might have been killed and dumped. For instance, if he had decided for some reason to stay with SW and "save the marriage" or had succeeded in getting rid of his family.

I can bet many unpleasant things have gone through her mind. Especially having sex with him and all the time they are ooooing and ahhhhhing he is thinking of how he is going to slaughter his family back home. She could possibly use some counseling.

 

[Jupiter05]

As open as the


I was so disappointed to not see a psych eval in the discovery. I would love to read one!

I doubt we will ever see the results if he did have one, as there was no discussion that we know of that there would be an "insanity" plea. Also that would be covered under HIPPA privacy laws.

 

[NuttMegg]

How did le learn about the secret calculator compartment? Was it because they could trace the movement of the pics he transferred there?

 

[MsBetsy]

I had a thought because of how her mouth was injured. What if she was awake and standing and he came up behind her and smothered her? Maybehe only intended on killing SW but after there was a witness he decided to kill everyone

I think he fully intended on killing them all. The injuries to Bellas mouth were said to be consistent with down ward pressure, and it was as if she was struggling to get away. To me that says she was lying down, face up. Imo

 

[molly1255]

I think it was calculated to ensure that anyone thinking back would say he couldn't have anything to do with their disappearance, he was acting like a devoted dad. I really do believe that more than thinking it's just a possibility. He put thought into this and did not want a hair out of place, literally. Happy well looked after children, so that no one says oh yeah, he was acting weird and uncaring on Sunday. These were to be his witnesses.

MOO

Everything about him was all for show, IMO. Didn't he throw some cold pizza at Bella and Celeste for lunch and dinner on Sunday? I recall reading that's what he fed them that day. JMO, they probably had to tell him they were hungry. I think it was pizza he ordered on Saturday night when he went on his date.

And then he grilled out for himself.

 

[Layla123]

Violet, so you saw the same post I did....
She also states that she was given information about the state of SWs body from the funeral home as well as "second hand" information from Frankie. I find it difficult to believe he would be willing to speak to the MRS folk, especially after what they've done to his sister.

I feel like this funeral home employee should be out of his/her job.



This is bizarre. Why had he removed the attachment and how he reattached it without anyone noticing.

What is an attachment?

 

[NuttMegg]

It’s so horrifying. My ex has some significant PTSD from combat. I always wonder about the people who investigate crimes like this. I know it has to stay with them forever

for instance the ppl who had to drain the tanks. And deal with the state of decomposition of tiny girls, probably the same age as their own children.

 

[LovesChocolate]

I can bet many unpleasant things have gone through her mind. Especially having sex with him and all the time they are ooooing and ahhhhhing he is thinking of how he is going to slaughter his family back home. She could possibly use some counseling.

IIRC, she did ask the detectives for help in counseling or some sort of assistance of that nature. Also asked how she could go about changing her name.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

How did le learn about the secret calculator compartment? Was it because they could trace the movement of the pics he transferred there?

Hi Nuttmegg, from the Phone Data Review, PDF p1,883 (discovery page 2,078):

DURING MY REVIEW OF THE DATA EXTRACTED FROM THE PHONES BELONGING TO CHRIS WATTS,
SHANAAN WATTS AND NICHOL KESSINGER CERTAIN INFORMATION WAS LEARNED.
AGENT DAREN FORD CONDUCTED LOGICAL EXTRACTIONS OF DATA FROM THESE PHONES. IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH FORD, HE ADVISED THE NORTHERN COLORADO FORENSIC LABORATORY
DOES NOT POSSESS TECHNOLOGY TO PERFORM PHYSICAL DATA EXTRACTIONS FROM APPLE
DEVICES.
THUS I DISCOVERED THE EXTRACTED DATA IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF ALL DATA STORED AMONGST
THE ASSORTED APPLICATIONS WITHIN A GIVEN DEVICE, NOR DOES ACTIVITY INVOLVING
THOSE APPLICATIONS NECESSARILY REFLECT IN THE DATA EXTRACTED.
FOR EXAMPLE, WATTS HAD A "SECRET CALCULATOR" APPLICATION UPLOADED TO HIS
PERSONAL PHONE [ITEM 41]. THIS APPLICATION BY ALL APPEARANCES IS AN OPERABLE
CALCULATOR. WHEN THE USER ENTERS A SECRET PASSCODE THE APPLICATION REVEALS ITS
TRUE PURPOSE, A CONCEALED STORAGE DEVICE FOR PHOTOGRAPHS, VIDEOS, CONTACTS, EVEN
A PRIVATE BROWSER.
IN MID JULY 2018 WATTS BEGAN TRANSFERRING IMAGES FROM HIS CAMERA APPLICATION
INTO THE SECRET CALCULATOR APPLICATION. THIS ACTIVITY IS NOT REFLECTED WITHIN
THE PHONE'S TIMELINE.
LOCATING THOSE TRANSFERRED IMAGES PROVED CHALLENGING AND WAS PREDICATED ON MERE
CURIOSITY. I SEARCHED THROUGH THE IMAGES STORED WITHIN THE DATA FILES FEATURED
IN THE CELLEBRITE {CB} REPORT FOR ITEM 41. LOCATING AN IMAGE NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN
THE TIME LINE I REVIEWED THE PATH WITHIN THE FILE INFORMATION AND NOTICED IT
INCLUDED THE WORDS "SECRET CALCULATOR."
USING THE FIND FEATURE I SEARCHED THE TWELVE THOUSAND IMAGES STORED IN THE
PHONE'S MEMORY USING THE KEY WORD "SECRET CALCULATOR." I LOCATED A VAST
COLLECTION OF IMAGES OTHERWISE UNDETECTED DURING MY REVIEW THAT ARE STORED
WITHIN THIS APPLICATION.
IN THE NEAR FUTURE A FOLLOW UP WARRANT WILL BE SOUGHT TO MANUALLY SEARCH THROUGH
THIS PHONE AND ACCESS THE SECRET CALCULATOR. THAT SEARCH WILL INCLUDE ANY
ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS, OR VIDEOS, ANY BROWSER ACTIVITY AND INFORMATION RELATED
TO THE INSTALLATION DATE.

 

[LovesChocolate]

What is an attachment?

I believe she had one similar to this on her phone.

EDITED to try and fix broken link.