GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[Gardenista]

Chris the liar told her that SW didn't tell him about nut-gate right away so he went almost the entire time in NC not knowing why his family wouldn't speak to him

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh, so you’re saying everything NK said was a lie?

I would say everything she said supports the actions of Chris Watts, and helps to tell the story of why he felt he needed to get rid of his family.
I did not get the impression that LE did not find her credible at all. Imo

 

[Gardener1850]

That isn’t really from chris. It’s from a jokester on a FB group.

I hope you are right! They sure made that fake card in his handwriting fast (but I see how easily someone could do that with photoshop skills).

 

[PommyMommy]

Don’t know if it had better resolution, it was just a different time period than backing into garage and I was told showed him going in and out 3 times carrying what was assumed to be the bodies. If the video that was tweeted is “it” then I’m surprised/ disappointed too.

Does anyone remember if the DA spoke about the video in the sentencing hearing? Could the clip Frank was talking about be included in the “sentencing discovery documents”? It’s a separate zip file — IIRC the DA told the judge he was submitting 17 evidemce items at sentencing so the judge could fully understand the horrific-ness of the crime. Maybe I’m grasping at straws, but this video isn’t what was described to me.

I don't remember if the DA spoke about the video but I read in one of the articles or tweets about today's doc dump that there are four videos. I'll see if I can find it. MOO

ETA: This wasn't what I was looking for, but...

https://twitter.com/DillonMThomas/status/1068264670572789760
Dillon Thomas Retweeted Geovanny Karina Gran
I only tweeted portions of the three clips...recorded from this angle. Throughout the clips, he does enter/leave the garage several times.

 

[Colorado303]

I think that Gardenista was being sarcastic.

. Damn. And I’m a huge fan of sarcasm too — Evidently I’ve lost my sense of humor. Good to know and something to work on. Thanks Jen. Sorry @Gardenista.

 

[Layla123]

But it's NOT a typo! Reviewer specifically inserted a statement between the 2017 and 2018 search history to clarify that these 2017 searches were deleted by NK, and LE recovered them using Celebrite and Axiom. I previously provided you the link as have others.

This? NK’s name isn’t mentioned.

 

[Layla123]

To prove they weren't just platonic friends, the sex disclosures from the horses mouth are proof only surpassed by photos or video if they exist.

No one ever said they were platonic friends.

 

[JusticeforHeather91]

I know what my weekend is going to consist of!

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Chris Watts played out 'rape fantasy' with woman he met on Tinder before murders | Daily Mail Online

 

[Jennifer17]

This? NK’s name isn’t mentioned.

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but who else would be searching for SW on NK's phone?

 

[Gardenista]

Outright lies that none of her friends know about him in this interview. She was with Sean 6-7 months before she brought him home to her family.

She gets slightly emotional when she talks about how this will affect her in the future. She does start crying in earnest when talking about the girls about 1 hr and 38 minutes into the interview.

 

[MsBetsy]

I do not believe we know the reasons why she deleted what she knew LE would find to be evidence on her phone. She could have done it to protect herself legally or in the public eye and not just due to embarrassment over sex. We just do not know at this time and may never know. MOO

It was probably a combination of those things. It's not so hard to assume it was. She was likely trying to protect herself from embarrassment and afraid she might be implicated. But in the end, LE found no evidence to implicate her and I don't think they even suspected her. Clearly they believe Watts is solely responsible. Imo

 

[Jupiter05]

I don't remember if the DA spoke about the video but I read in one of the articles or tweets about today's doc dump that there are four videos. I'll see if I can find it. MOO

ETA: This wasn't what I was looking for, but...

https://twitter.com/DillonMThomas/status/1068264670572789760
Dillon Thomas Retweeted Geovanny Karina Gran
I only tweeted portions of the three clips...recorded from this angle. Throughout the clips, he does enter/leave the garage several times.

I think what we are getting now are teasers from the news channels. Hopefully we can view everything in it's entirety that has been released today. Most of us don't have the space on our devices to download and unzip 66 audio/video files.

 

[kirkassoc]

Neighbor, NT's security camera footage

Dillon Thomas on Twitter

Video shows murderer Chris Watts calmly walking to his truck, backing it in his garage, and re-entering the home...after Shanann, Bella, and Celeste were killed. (1/3)

Later, as the sun rises, Watts is seen loading items in to his truck...including what appears to be a gasoline can. (2/3)

Neighbor security camera then shows Watts driving out of his garage, stopping, and then leaving the neighborhood...likely with his deceased wife, and daughters, in the bed of his truck. Police used the GPS in his truck to track down where he took their bodies (3/3)

What I DID notice was he had on a LONG SLEEVED dark shirt. I believe.

 

[kizzykat]

This? NK’s name isn’t mentioned.

It says "Kessinger" upper right corner search box in that screenshot.

 

[Kankan]

It was wrong, it was stupid, but it wasn’t an effort to protect CW. It was all about sex, very embarrassing sex, but it wasn’t an effort to protect CW. I’m still not sure how all that sex discovery furthered the murder investigation, either.

Do you know her personally? It seems as if you know the motivation behind her actions. Or is this just your opinion?

 

[gitana1]

Right, I don't think anyone would dispute that her actions were immoral, or wrong, or whatever you want to call it. None of it proved she knew what he was planning, or tried to cover for him or had any inclination that he would end up killing his family. If she encouraged him to get rid of them then that's a different story. Her deleting her phone definitely slowed things down, but in the end the information she provided was a huge help to the investigation. She seemed pretty cooperative from the start, and she came to them. Imo

Oh I guess I'm a lot more cynical than that. She came to them IMO because she knew she would be found. And she was being found as at almost the same time, Anadarko officials were sending a tip to investigators about the affair.

She deleted evidence prior to meeting with them. She searched to see if LE could recover deleted texts, PRIOR to meeting with them and giving them her phone.

She said she didn't "maintain" social media accounts and hadn't since "2018", (@Gardenista, did you hear anything about that in the interview?). But many people had already found her archived social media. Okay, maybe not a direct lie but seems intentionally evasive. Sounds like she got rid of her social media accounts when she deleted her text messages.

I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt about not knowing Shanann was pregnant or they were married still, until I saw that she did have social media accounts and she had been searching for Shanann in January 2018 and for Chris in August 2017. It was easy to find Shanann, we know she had been interested in finding her and I believe she lied when she said she thought they were separated, and didn't know Shanann was pregnant until after the disappearance. Does that matter or impact the murder investigation, which is what concerns me? Any bit of dishonesty does. It puts everything she says into question and causes more work for investigators.

I think if she felt she would not be discovered she never would've come forward and given prosecutors the motive they would've needed to present a to a jury.

The Greeley jail was just a holding jail until they are sentenced or go to court or released. I think his new permanent home will be a different story. Child killers and family killers are not all that well liked. Time will tell, but I am thinking he is not going to be a favorite inmate. When you see the pictures of those two little girls and a pregnant wife it does things to people.

Everyone says that but I have seen little proof that baby killers experience much grief in prison. People are people. The inmates in county jail screaming baby killer at him before eventually "accepting" him, are not much different from inmates in prison, IMO.

 

[Abba's Tears]

"Service Unavailable Try Again Later" No downloading right now!
Sigh....

 

[Gardener1850]

Conversation Saturday at dinner:

CW lost 13 lbs in the town they were "hanging out". She looked at his "micronutrients" and "ratios" on MyFitnessPal app. "His macros were pretty dialed in" That's pretty much all they talked about at dinner

He told her SW was coming home really late on Sunday night.

He told her all about nut-gate. His entire family ignored him while in NC. She wanted him to see "his people" because "family is so important" so she kept asking about it.

Well now we know why she googled his dad's name. What a liar CW is (not that it's a surprise)-- didn't he go to see his parents and sister without SW? How did he explain to NK that SW was still living in the same house with him and coming back there from AZ if he told her they finalized the divorce in NC?

 

[NuttMegg]

No one ever said they were platonic friends.

actually cw said he wasnt committing adultery with anyone at all, that was his first story iirc. Who's to say he wouldn't have next said it was all platonic.