GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[curiouschat]

Previous post from Tricia regarding the MLM aspect:
CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #12

Hey Everyone,
A bit of clarification.

Please, no more discussion on the viability of Shanann's company or whether her company was or wasn't a pyramid scheme. No more digging up documents or complaints or anything to do with the function of the company. The fact is Shanann's company is not what we are discussing.

If want to discuss if job stress may have contributed to Shanann and Chris' relationship problems please make sure it is in the realm of reality and not the Twilight Zone.

Thank you,
Tricia

Oops I just saw this while I was writing the other post. I'm not even sure how to discuss their financial stress without saying I think there may have been stressful or dubious elements to the whole Thrive thing. Definitely don't think that makes sense of or legitimizes anything as a deciding factor in his killing them though

 

[The Farm]

I think the odor doesn't just cling to fabrics, it collects in corners, spaces and gaps where the walls meet the flooring that can't be cleaned out, close to where the cadaver was stored. And even if sheets were washed there would be the mattress, the pillows, and the spaces underneath the beds. They are trained to detect the death scent even if the body was only there for minutes, but the longer it was there the stronger the alert.

Ohhhh I went to the K-9 demonstration today!!! They had four dogs, two for narcotics both Belgian Malinois, one tracker for missing people and such which was a Dutch shepherd and one explosive sniffer which was a black lab.
I asked if they had a cadaver dog and they said no that it is the State Police in my state that has them and they call them in if needed. The cost is very expensive and they said for the amount of times they would use it just not feasible. The dogs are all imported from Holland and Czechoslovakia to PA. The American shepherds do not hold up well because of the poor breeding which is so sad. So once they said they had none I did not proceed to ask about how long the scent of a deceased person would last if moved immediately. It was soooooo interesting and I loved every minute of it. I asked a million questions!

 

[MassGuy]

I think even if he didn’t kill the girls first, he was definitely planning it before SW got home. Somewhere in the docs it says he called or text his work Colleague to say that he would go out to the oil field first thing in the morning and that there was no point then both going out there. This was way before SW was due home, if I’m correct.

Yeah. He did a couple things that indicate that this was a planned event. The text message you referenced (although not unprecedented), and paying for his restaurant bill with his credit card instead of a gift card.

The timing is also important here.

He had a mortgage payment due in a few days, he was set to be looking for apartments with his mistress that week, the kids were just about to start school, he claimed that his divorce was finalized, and his marriage had hit a new low.

With a new baby on the way as well, the timing was ripe for him to do this.

 

[riolove77]

I don't believe they had an emotional conversation at all for the reasons I stated yesterday. He was asked over and over to go through the conversation with LE and all he did was repeat the details of their previous text messages together. I think he killed them all starting at 4:00, and then promptly removed them from the house. I think he fully intended to kill the children. I had always thought he killed the children first but now because of the dogs not indicating much I think he did it all at the same time. I also think having the girls dead in their beds for any period of time would have spooked him. I think he wanted to get them out quickly after killing them. Jmo

I agree with your theory. Given everything we have now read, I think there was never a conversation. I also don't think she slept on the couch; she had told NUA she was going to get in bed with him and hold him but not say anything. I think she went upstairs, took off her pants, and got in bed with everything else on, including her makeup. I think she rather quickly fell asleep and he was probably asleep too or pretending. I think he woke up around 4 like he says, quickly and quietly strangled her first with no indication to her that he was going to do any such thing (i.e. no conversation at all), and then went to the kids' rooms and smothered them as well. I would like to believe in my heart of hearts that she truly believed he loved the girls and would not hurt them after he was done with her. I really think as much as she loves them, that was probably her last thought before dying.

I think he turned off the phone then and there, but perhaps once he got home and "ran up and down through the house before letting NUA and police in", he took the phone and Apple Watch and "hid" them in the couch. His full intent was to deal with all this stuff after he got home so he had to make a quick decision, and the couch was on the way back downstairs.

I don't think for one second he was worried about her trying to call for help and thus turned off the phone prior to killing her. He knew he was going to accomplish his goal. And he did, since we know she didn't fight back.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

See Photos of 'Monster' Chris Watts & Mistress — Who Searched for Wedding Dresses Days Before Murders

I'll just go bite tongue off.

 

[razzledazzle]

Please continue the discussion here. NK has turned out not to be a victim, but you still cannot call her names or wish violence against her. Just refer to her as NK or Nichol. Name calling and wishing violence upon anyone violate TOS no matter who is being discussed. And do not sleuth her family.

I took a break from this case, so now I'm off to find what this is all about. Guidance appreciated.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think even if he didn’t kill the girls first, he was definitely planning it before SW got home. Somewhere in the docs it says he called or text his work Colleague to say that he would go out to the oil field first thing in the morning and that there was no point then both going out there. This was way before SW was due home, if I’m correct.

This stands out to me as well. It shows pre-planning. In addition to making sure his co-workers weren’t going to that job site he would normally go to the office everyday prior to going to a job site.
jmo

 

[TxMother67]

I agree with your theory. Given everything we have now read, I think there was never a conversation. I also don't think she slept on the couch; she had told NUA she was going to get in bed with him and hold him but not say anything. I think she went upstairs, took off her pants, and got in bed with everything else on, including her makeup. I think she rather quickly fell asleep and he was probably asleep too or pretending. I think he woke up around 4 like he says, quickly and quietly strangled her first with no indication to her that he was going to do any such thing (i.e. no conversation at all), and then went to the kids' rooms and smothered them as well. I would like to believe in my heart of hearts that she truly believed he loved the girls and would not hurt them after he was done with her. I really think as much as she loves them, that was probably her last thought before dying.

I think he turned off the phone then and there, but perhaps once he got home and "ran up and down through the house before letting NUA and police in", he took the phone and Apple Watch and "hid" them in the couch. His full intent was to deal with all this stuff after he got home so he had to make a quick decision, and the couch was on the way back downstairs.

I don't think for one second he was worried about her trying to call for help and thus turned off the phone prior to killing her. He knew he was going to accomplish his goal. And he did, since we know she didn't fight back.

BBM
My only question to this is why he wouldn't hide her purse on his way through the kitchen? Maybe Shannan wasn't as attached to her purse as I am. Meaning, if his story was going to be that they all left to a friend's house, wouldn't she take her purse as well as her phone and watch ? Seeing it on the counter as everyone walked in immediately set the stage. Obviously he failed at his attempt of a coverup.

 

[MassGuy]

My only question to this is why he wouldn't hide her purse on his way through the kitchen? Maybe Shannan wasn't as attached to her purse as I am.

I simply don’t think he had the time. The police officer was likely shadowing him, and NUA was there as well.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I'm looking forward to seeing the text screenshots in the upcoming data release.
If he is telling the truth, TB was brave in coming forward because he has gotten nothing but grief for doing so.
It makes me want to buy TB a Sephora gift certificate for Christmas.

And if being known for paying for his male escort's lip injections, makes that evil family annihilator's life in prison even more miserable, then all the better. JMO

Me too if he’s being truthful, he deserves a medal!

 

[MsBetsy]

Cause he's a prolific liar lol.

I don't doubt she made good money because of her hard work, but I also think he may have given NK a much larger amount as SW's salary when he told her that, because then it would come across as SW having her own money and not needing alimony if he left her to be with NK.

In general I just don't believe anything he says unless there's independent corroboration.

I believe that Shanann would have taken 10,000 from her 401k to help pay off debt, and I also think she put the majority of the money down on the new house from the sale of the old one. I suspect there was little contribution from him at that time. I also think he may have been impulsive in his spending habits and Shanann took much of the burden.
It's pretty clear that they lived beyond their means, but Shanann had the where-with-all and the skills to turn things around where as Chris was just not capable of it, or anything else for that matter. I don't think he would have made the decision to kill them without having someone in place to depend on. I think she was the main motivator, financial problems or not. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

Me too if he’s being truthful, he deserves a medal!

Ha! I’m not sure we should be pinning medals on this guy, even if he is telling the truth.

He appears to be an attention seeker, and not a person with altruistic motives.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Yeah. He did a couple things that indicate that this was a planned event. The text message you referenced (although not unprecedented), and paying for his restaurant bill with his credit card instead of a gift card.

The timing is also important here.

He had a mortgage payment due in a few days, he was set to be looking for apartments with his mistress that week, the kids were just about to start school, he claimed that his divorce was finalized, and his marriage had hit a new low.

With a new baby on the way as well, the timing was ripe for him to do this.

I agree, I think he payed for the bill with the credit card because it no longer mattered to him if SW noticed.. he was planning to rid himself of her very soon. Rather than man up and admit his affair he murdered his family.

 

[MsBetsy]

I simply don’t think he had the time. The police officer was likely shadowing him, and NUA was there as well.

He may not have been alone until after he ran upstairs. Imo

 

[sun16]

I agree with your theory. Given everything we have now read, I think there was never a conversation. I also don't think she slept on the couch; she had told NUA she was going to get in bed with him and hold him but not say anything. I think she went upstairs, took off her pants, and got in bed with everything else on, including her makeup. I think she rather quickly fell asleep and he was probably asleep too or pretending. I think he woke up around 4 like he says, quickly and quietly strangled her first with no indication to her that he was going to do any such thing (i.e. no conversation at all), and then went to the kids' rooms and smothered them as well. I would like to believe in my heart of hearts that she truly believed he loved the girls and would not hurt them after he was done with her. I really think as much as she loves them, that was probably her last thought before dying.

I think he turned off the phone then and there, but perhaps once he got home and "ran up and down through the house before letting NUA and police in", he took the phone and Apple Watch and "hid" them in the couch. His full intent was to deal with all this stuff after he got home so he had to make a quick decision, and the couch was on the way back downstairs.

I don't think for one second he was worried about her trying to call for help and thus turned off the phone prior to killing her. He knew he was going to accomplish his goal. And he did, since we know she didn't fight back.

I agree exactly with what you’re thinking happened. Have just wondered if she had time to scream or yell.

 

[riolove77]

I simply don’t think he had the time. The police officer was likely shadowing him, and NUA was there as well.

Exactly what I was going to say. He ran up and back down, hid the smaller items, but going through the kitchen to grab the purse and attempt to hide it somewhere would've taken too long. They were waiting at the door to be let in.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

He may not have been alone until after he ran upstairs. Imo

I may be remembering wrong, but I think NA's son said CW ran through the house before he opened the front door to let them in.

He didn't have a lot of time, but maybe enough to shove some stuff in the couch, etc.

Moo

 

[Tortoise]

Yes, I do too. But only when it pertained to himself. He also kept using the word "disconnect" and another weird word that I can't remember, but it sounded like he was talking about an engine or a car or something
I tried to find it again but I can't. Anyway it's not a typical word that one would use when describing a relationship.

Decompressing, I think. Sorry if anyone already answered this I'm behind on the posts.

 

[riolove77]

I agree exactly with what you’re thinking happened. Have just wondered if she had time to scream or yell.

I just don't think so. I really think he just got up, rolled over, and surprised the hell out of her. I dont think he took his hands off her neck until she was gone.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Ha! I’m not sure we should be pinning medals on this guy, even if he is telling the truth.

He appears to be an attention seeker, and not a person with altruistic motives.

Very true.