GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[Thepoet]

I’m just remembering them filing to block the release of something and citing HIPAA. Now I’m curious all over again

Yes, there was HIPAA related activity and the blocked visitor's logs.

 

[SuziQ]

Chris Watts' mistress was searching for wedding dresses a week before murders, Googled 'anal sex' | Daily Mail Online

The hits keep on coming for NK.

You know, I've always viewed Amber Frey as an innocent victim. Who immediately did the right thing. NK, not so much.

 

[RachB65]

Thanks Tippy. I was just wondering how that would work. I can't see the company putting their name on a car, with all the liability envolved. Then making the payment in some months, maybe not others. I suspect she got a monthly bonus for a car payment, with the car in her own name. Assuming she reached a certain sales level.

eta still confused...wouldn't a Lexus require a humongous dp, unless it was simply a leased car? I bet it was a leased car?

I also recall reading somewhere at some point that she had to reach a certain amount of sales every month and if she didnt the company didnt make the payment that month.
MOO

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder whet the thought process or purpose was for taking the blanket and stuffed animals then discarding them? Did they have some type of evidence on them?

Probably to go towards his story that SW left with the kids.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder whet the thought process or purpose was for taking the blanket and stuffed animals then discarding them? Did they have some type of evidence on them?

There’s a couple possibilities:

They contained evidence.

They were removed in order to sell the story that Shanann took the kids and left.

ETA: Jinx @Jennifer17

 

[Thepoet]

Those changes may have been the symptom and not the cause.

He may have been ready for a change, and his body was simply part of it.

It can work both ways.

Agreed.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I did not find in the discovery where Chris told his father that he buried Shan’ann because he could not put her with the girls after what she did. Did I miss it or was that another lie?

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Yikes! I never realized it was so hard to read all bold letters! Any way I think it said there were 12 thousand images. I am very curious to know what else is in there. I wonder if it will be released. I do remember that in between texting Shanann and others, and while he was in NC, he was very busy transferring the images. I wonder if that's what he was doing in the picture of him at the carnival of him right behind Shanann looking down at something.

Ha, yes the caps are hard on the eyes! It was 12,000 images total in the phone's memory and of those a "vast collection" in the secret calculator app.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I read an article the other day where they believe your brain doesn't immediately switch off when your heart stops so I really hope when you lose consciousness it does actually switch off. I hate to think that she would have been laying there knowing he did that.. Really upsets me thinking about all of their last moments

I think about that all of the time too. Especially her fear of what was going to happen to her girls, let alone their baby inside of her. She SO did not deserve this and he didn’t have to take away the lives of those adorable, happy little girls. I still cannot get over this.

 

[cybervampira]

OK gals (and MassGuy ), I installed the Secret Calculator app and made a video, so y‘all know how it looks like:
Secret Calculator - Streamable

You can hide contacts, passwords, photos AND Google searches.

(gone to missing persons again, this thread‘s too fast for me ).

 

[MsBetsy]

Those changes may have been the symptom and not the cause.

He may have been ready for a change, and his body was simply part of it.

It can work both ways.

I think it definitely gave him some new found confidence and he associated his being fit with the ability to attract women. Imo

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

There’s a couple possibilities:

They contained evidence.

They were removed in order to sell the story that Shanann took the kids and left.

ETA: Jinx @Jennifer17

#2 seems quite obvious now that you spell it out for me. I can’t think of what evidence would be on them since it was a bloodless crime scene.

 

[UKslueth2018]

I wonder whet the thought process or purpose was for taking the blanket and stuffed animals then discarding them? Did they have some type of evidence on them?

Possibly to back up his story that shanann left with the girls.. He did have that stop at housing place so I think that's where he dumped them

 

[gitana1]

One thing that was interesting to me, not that it necessarily has significance, is that in some of the videos where CW was interacting with his kids, he seemed to have natural protective instincts. Saying, "Cece, sit down so you don't fall." Gently lowering them so they didn't hurt themselves climbing off his back. SW playing games with a matchbox car that Dieter would chase, and CW quickly moving to block it so it wouldn't run into CeCe. Putting them into car seats and strapping them into booster seats. How does one go about all these seemingly natural and instinctive precautions to protect your children from harm, and then be able to take their last breaths from them? It is so hard to reconcile what causes that kind of inhumanity inside of someone.

Exactly! Now make sure you change your new card to the default card or remove the expired card, or that's going going to happen every single time you make a purchase and it attempts to charge the expired one! And you don't even realize until a few days later when you get an email that the purchase was declined! (Not speaking from personal experience or anything.... )


I would suspect that SW did not power off her phone. That seems extremely unusual. Also, Amanda Thayer reported sending SW a text and receiving an auto response that she had never seen before about SW's phone not accepting notifications. Discovery Page 363

Attached below. One of my follow up questions would be if that message would have to be manually added. Because in my opinion, CW would have definitely been the one to change her auto-response to say that, power down, and hide her phone. @PommyMommy if you make a new list of unanswered questions, please add that one! (Not to add to your homework or anything.)

Yes. It's very contradictory. How is it possible? And yet confessed killer Christian Longo, who at first blamed his wife too and took it to trial, he was a similar type of dad - he cared for his kids. He talks about how he loved them, cleaned them, played with them, felt bad when they fell, etc. How is it possible? Early videos show him gently stroking his newborn baby.

It's inexplicable.

 

[SuziQ]

That's what one of the guests on one of the podcasts believed. She said he likely had some animal abuse type stuff or other things that were covered up. I don't know.

IMO, CM was viewed as "The Golden Boy". Much like Scott Peterson was.

 

[MsBetsy]

OK gals (and MassGuy ), I installed the Secret Calculator app and made a video, so y‘all know how it looks like:
Secret Calculator - Streamable

You can hide contacts, passwords, photos AND Google searches.

(gone to missing persons again, this thread‘s too fast for me ).

Not so much a secret anymore.

 

[NuttMegg]

Hi Nuttmegg, from the Phone Data Review, PDF p1,883 (discovery page 2,078):

DURING MY REVIEW OF THE DATA EXTRACTED FROM THE PHONES BELONGING TO CHRIS WATTS,
SHANAAN WATTS AND NICHOL KESSINGER CERTAIN INFORMATION WAS LEARNED.
AGENT DAREN FORD CONDUCTED LOGICAL EXTRACTIONS OF DATA FROM THESE PHONES. IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH FORD, HE ADVISED THE NORTHERN COLORADO FORENSIC LABORATORY
DOES NOT POSSESS TECHNOLOGY TO PERFORM PHYSICAL DATA EXTRACTIONS FROM APPLE
DEVICES.
THUS I DISCOVERED THE EXTRACTED DATA IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF ALL DATA STORED AMONGST
THE ASSORTED APPLICATIONS WITHIN A GIVEN DEVICE, NOR DOES ACTIVITY INVOLVING
THOSE APPLICATIONS NECESSARILY REFLECT IN THE DATA EXTRACTED.
FOR EXAMPLE, WATTS HAD A "SECRET CALCULATOR" APPLICATION UPLOADED TO HIS
PERSONAL PHONE [ITEM 41]. THIS APPLICATION BY ALL APPEARANCES IS AN OPERABLE
CALCULATOR. WHEN THE USER ENTERS A SECRET PASSCODE THE APPLICATION REVEALS ITS
TRUE PURPOSE, A CONCEALED STORAGE DEVICE FOR PHOTOGRAPHS, VIDEOS, CONTACTS, EVEN
A PRIVATE BROWSER.
IN MID JULY 2018 WATTS BEGAN TRANSFERRING IMAGES FROM HIS CAMERA APPLICATION
INTO THE SECRET CALCULATOR APPLICATION. THIS ACTIVITY IS NOT REFLECTED WITHIN
THE PHONE'S TIMELINE.
LOCATING THOSE TRANSFERRED IMAGES PROVED CHALLENGING AND WAS PREDICATED ON MERE
CURIOSITY. I SEARCHED THROUGH THE IMAGES STORED WITHIN THE DATA FILES FEATURED
IN THE CELLEBRITE {CB} REPORT FOR ITEM 41. LOCATING AN IMAGE NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN
THE TIME LINE I REVIEWED THE PATH WITHIN THE FILE INFORMATION AND NOTICED IT
INCLUDED THE WORDS "SECRET CALCULATOR."
USING THE FIND FEATURE I SEARCHED THE TWELVE THOUSAND IMAGES STORED IN THE
PHONE'S MEMORY USING THE KEY WORD "SECRET CALCULATOR." I LOCATED A VAST
COLLECTION OF IMAGES OTHERWISE UNDETECTED DURING MY REVIEW THAT ARE STORED
WITHIN THIS APPLICATION.
IN THE NEAR FUTURE A FOLLOW UP WARRANT WILL BE SOUGHT TO MANUALLY SEARCH THROUGH
THIS PHONE AND ACCESS THE SECRET CALCULATOR. THAT SEARCH WILL INCLUDE ANY
ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS, OR VIDEOS, ANY BROWSER ACTIVITY AND INFORMATION RELATED
TO THE INSTALLATION DATE.

Thanks, MO. So it looks like the app developers were blase enough to include the exact name of their app in the file name of all of the contents of the compartment, thus making it searchable. They could have used an acronym that the detective would not have noticed. They probably did not envision that anyone would get far enough to search 12,000 images, ie to have that database become available for searches. So then Agent Ford had to get a warrant to actually enter the app to see the photos, after having extracted the list? Thats what I think happened per your link. I wonder how he got around needing the passcode. So a more basic example could be like my fire tablet which comes with a bunch of hidden files (or programs like a secret calculator) and the only way I can get to see those files is to get a special program to reach that next, hidden layer. it's called something like ES.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

OK gals (and MassGuy ), I installed the Secret Calculator app and made a video, so y‘all know how it looks like:
Secret Calculator - Streamable

You can hide contacts, passwords, photos AND Google searches.

(gone to missing persons again, this thread‘s too fast for me ).

You are awesome!

 

[Teche]

OK gals (and MassGuy ), I installed the Secret Calculator app and made a video, so y‘all know how it looks like:
Secret Calculator - Streamable

You can hide contacts, passwords, photos AND Google searches.

(gone to missing persons again, this thread‘s too fast for me ).

Thanks, I was clueless.

 

[Tortoise]

I did not find in the discovery where Chris told his father that he buried Shan’ann because he could not put her with the girls after what she did. Did I miss it or was that another lie?

An outright LIE.