GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #61

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  • #141
About NK’s Vocal Fry:
Are we policing young women’s voices?
From Upspeak To Vocal Fry: Are We 'Policing' Young Women's Voices?
There are specific ways to make women shut up.
Stop telling women how they should talk
Ridiculing vocal fry is sexist.
This Is Why Ridiculing Vocal Fry Is Sexist

Indeed, ALL humans get criticized, implicitly or explicitly, for their voices. Men are "supposed" to have deep voices, aren't supposed to have "light" voices, and "should" keep their voices without lisps or giggles. Black Americans are warned against speaking with a "black" dialect/intonation/pacing in "professional" situations.

Certainly those whose native languages are not English are encouraged to strive towards using English timing and cadence beyond what's needed to be understood (with some exceptions below). I was marginalized and warned about my Southern accent and went to a speech therapist because a huge number of people I met (including strangers like cashiers, receptionists, waitresses, valets, nurses, people at events, etc) in the part of the country where I had moved gave me a lot of pushback against it! Yet in my same office, someone from Australia got loads of praise for her thick accent!

What's the funny country song? "Why dontcha mind yer own bidness?" Attention humans, good idea in that song!

I think most humans tend to try to control what others do or think! And am I even doing that here? LOL!

What I noticed about NK's voice was SHE SOUNDED LIKE A SMUG LIAR.
 
  • #142
Guilty people rarely ask for attorneys. Of course neither do innocent people.

I think I have it engraved from another thread here, and case here...

that if I am ever approached by police I should ask

#1 am I being detained
#2 am I free to go
#3 I would like a lawyer.

I hope I never get pulled over for a traffic infraction because I may go into that mode LOL.

But then again they say you should not yell fire and it is against the law in a movie theater. But if I saw a fire in a theater, my emotions would take over and I will be running yelling fire!

So who knows what I would do even though I know what I am supposed to do.
 
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  • #143
I wish people would stop undermining others opinions and accussing them of being this or that regardless what their opinions are. Most of the cases we follow on WS are full of horrible acts that are hard to hear and read and it makes it even harder when there’s offensive banter on the threads. I enjoy hearing others opinions even when I don’t agree with them. Just because we don’t agree with an opinion or view it doesn’t mean the opinions of others are inadequate.
jmo

True. Where I take issue is when people bash actual victims (or support posts that do) without a logical or factual basis, or do so on the sly, while professing to be "open-minded.".

Otherwise, yes, people have various reasons for their opinions and that should not be demeaned.
 
  • #144
I know some REALLY want to make the disgust about NK about sexism. It's just not. IMO. People have been criticizing CW's speech from day one. Relentlessly. Is that because of sexism against him?

Men have vocal fry and upseak too and it drives me crazy.

But other than being annoyed, I don't give a damn about her voice. I give a damn about her inflection, arrogance, evasivessness, self-centeredness and overall lack of empathy in the context of a major crime investigation.

I wish people would please stop accusing others of being sexist because they do not like this woman or condone her actions. To me it's a disingenuous way of trying to undermine other's opinions of this woman. We disagree. That's okay. It's not like people are creating scenarios or making things up about this woman out of left field based on nothing but innuendo and rumor, like was done with Shannan. Then I might question the motives. But here I think there are solid bases for the disdain, even though people can have different views about it. No need to continually accuse people of sexism to prove their opinions are wrong here.

I find it offensive.
I want to agree with you so badly because I hold you in such high regard, but I can’t. I think people hate NK because she had an affair with Shanann’s beloved Chris and is responsible for destroying her family. Some call her a home wrecker. I don’t feel that way. I always place 100% blame on the cheater in these circumstances. CW is the one who made the commitment to Shanann, CW is the one who broke the commitment, CW is the one who destroyed his family, and CW is the one who continually lied about it all to NK. NK didn’t fully understand the truth about his marriage until she learned Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant, after the murders. She thought he was getting a divorce. She thought he lived in the basement. I’ve been around long enough to know that affairs are roller coaster rides. One minute they love him, the next minute they never want to see him again, but they can’t break away because they’re hooked. What you call NK’s lies, I see as how she felt on any given day. One minute she was having wild sex with him, the next minute she was telling him to work it out with his wife, the next minute she thought his kids were cute, the next minute she didn’t want to be the stepmother to someone else’s kids. She didn’t know what she wanted. It was a dysfunctional relationship. It didn’t change in phases, like she grew with gained insight from one time period to the next, it switched back and forth from crazy to sane, minute by minute. That’s what happens with affairs. She didn’t lie. She felt and experienced everything she said at the moment it happened, and it didn’t happen on a timeline.

I don’t judge people by their voices. Probably, it’s because I’m a retired Public Librarian, and I sat at a desk for years in a busy city where a different stranger walked up to talk to me every couple of minutes. I always thought different voices were regional. I never paid attention to the voice, I listened intently to the content of what the person was saying. That is how I listened to NK’s interview, and I found no problem with it. It is my opinion that she was fully cooperative with LE. She answered every question asked of her as detailed and completely as she could. I saw no signs of arrogance or manipulation, she was telling the detective about her life with CW the best way she knew how because he asked. Yes, she did try to protect her friends, who had absolutely nothing whatsoever, to do with her relationship with CW, from the notoriety and exposure the media would inflict upon them. That makes her a good friend, not a criminal. But when the detective explained why he needed the information about her friends, she agreed to give it to him.

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I want to call NK foolish, call her stupid, say I hope she learned a big life lesson, and let her slip back into obscurity to start her life over again. But she can’t. People seem to want to throw rocks at her. I much prefer to direct all my vitriol toward CW and send a little in the direction of his mother, father, and sister.
 
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  • #145
I'm just personally not feeling a lot of the subjective criticism of her (for instance that "creepy" giggle?). I'm more interested in seeing a direct list of where and how she lied or hid things. I know I do a lot of the crutch words of "honestly" and "like" myself and damn as far as google searches, I think I'd rather go to jail for a few weeks than have mine broadcast for everyone and my grandma to see. Things she searched directly related to Chris or Shanann I agree are fair game and relevant.
 
  • #146
What do you expect him to do?
If I had just heard my grand children were dead, I would cry. I would Say, where are they? I would not just behave like nothing had happened.
 
  • #147
Agree. To imply that the criticism of her behaviors is only because she is a woman is the true definition of being sexist. Believe it or not, I do have the ability to few people on their own merits and not their gender and she is very lacking in the merit department

Yes, there are many people who participate in forms of gaslighting everywhere on the internet for this case.
 
  • #148
Anyone else gets the impression he already knew in advance? He's not shocked because he knew.
Yes. Either that or they are a really cold and unemotional family.
 
  • #149
I know some REALLY want to make the disgust about NK about sexism. It's just not. IMO. People have been criticizing CW's speech from day one. Relentlessly. Is that because of sexism against him?

Men have vocal fry and upseak too and it drives me crazy.

But other than being annoyed, I don't give a damn about her voice. I give a damn about her inflection, arrogance, evasivessness, self-centeredness and overall lack of empathy in the context of a major crime investigation.

I wish people would please stop accusing others of being sexist because they do not like this woman or condone her actions. To me it's a disingenuous way of trying to undermine other's opinions of this woman. We disagree. That's okay. It's not like people are creating scenarios or making things up about this woman out of left field based on nothing but innuendo and rumor, like was done with Shannan. Then I might question the motives. But here I think there are solid bases for the disdain, even though people can have different views about it. No need to continually accuse people of sexism to prove their opinions are wrong here.

I find it offensive.

BBM
Hasn't NK been through enough? Can't we all just leave her alone? Probably not. Haters gonna hate.
We all have the right to be offended ;)
 
  • #150
I know some REALLY want to make the disgust about NK about sexism. It's just not. IMO. People have been criticizing CW's speech from day one. Relentlessly. Is that because of sexism against him?

Men have vocal fry and upseak too and it drives me crazy.

But other than being annoyed, I don't give a damn about her voice. I give a damn about her inflection, arrogance, evasivessness, self-centeredness and overall lack of empathy in the context of a major crime investigation.

I wish people would please stop accusing others of being sexist because they do not like this woman or condone her actions. To me it's a disingenuous way of trying to undermine other's opinions of this woman. We disagree. That's okay. It's not like people are creating scenarios or making things up about this woman out of left field based on nothing but innuendo and rumor, like was done with Shannan. Then I might question the motives. But here I think there are solid bases for the disdain, even though people can have different views about it. No need to continually accuse people of sexism to prove their opinions are wrong here.

I find it offensive.
NK starts countless statements with "honestly" and "to be honest with you" in her police interview, and when people say that, aren't they usually lying?

When they overuse the word, it is considered a "tell".

IMO
 
  • #151
Yes. Either that or they are a really cold and unemotional family.

That's pretty damn cold. A family of psychopaths?
I rewatched the video again. I do feel he is affected perhaps in shock.
 
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  • #152
BBM
Hasn't NK been through enough? Can't we all just leave her alone? Probably not. Haters gonna hate.
We all have the right to be offended ;)


I really won't be satisfied until she is charged with lying to LE and obstruction
 
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  • #153
You’re a lawyer and you’re asking me why a target in a triple murder investigation would contact a lawyer vs take a poly and subject himself to interrogation without representation? I’m very glad he didn’t but it was very stupid
Agree it would be stupid and they were stupid. Whether he told his dad or not, Chris had already been interrogated, was already a suspect there was already a reason to get a lawyer even if he didn’t tell his dad and they did not get one. I think he told him Shan’ann killed the girls and possibly that is where the “I couldn’t put the girls with her after what she did” statement came from, maybe that was not a lie. Volunteering to talk, not getting an attorney all plays the part of being innocent.
 
  • #154
I want to agree with you so badly because I hold you in such high regard, but I can’t. I think people hate NK because she had an affair with Shanann’s beloved Chris and is responsible for destroying her family. Some call her a home wrecker. I don’t feel that way. I always place 100% blame on the cheater in these circumstances. CW is the one who made the commitment to Shanann, CW is the one who broke the commitment, CW is the one who destroyed his family, and CW is the one who continually lied about it all to NK. NK didn’t fully understand the truth about his marriage until she learned Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant, after the murders. She thought he was getting a divorce. She thought he lived in the basement. I’ve been around long enough to know that affairs are roller coaster rides. One minute they love him, the next minute they never want to see him again, but they can’t break away because they’re hooked. What you call NK’s lies, I see as how she felt on any given day. One minute she was having wild sex with him, the next minute she was telling him to work it out with his wife, the next minute she thought his kids were cute, the next minute she didn’t want to be the stepmother to someone else’s kids. She didn’t know what she wanted. It was a dysfunctional relationship. It didn’t change in phases, like she grew with gained insight from one time period to the next, it switched back and forth from crazy to sane, minute by minute. That’s what happens with affairs. She didn’t lie. She felt and experienced everything she said at the moment it happened, and it didn’t happen on a timeline.

I don’t judge people by their voices. Probably, it’s because I’m a retired Public Librarian, and I sat at a desk for years in a busy city where a different stranger walked up to talk to me every couple of minutes. I always thought different voices were regional. I never paid attention to the voice, I listened intently to the content of what the person was saying. That is how I listened to NK’s interview, and I found no problem with it. It is my opinion that she was fully cooperative with LE. She answered every question asked of her as detailed and completely as she could. I saw no signs of arrogance or manipulation, she was telling the detective about her life with CW the best way she knew how because he asked. Yes, she did try to protect her friends, who had absolutely nothing whatsoever, to do with her relationship with CW, from the notoriety and exposure the media would inflict upon them. That makes her a good friend, not a criminal. But when the detective explained why he needed the information about her friends, she agreed to give it to him.

<modsnip - personalizing/politicizing>

I want to call NK foolish, call her stupid, say I hope she learned a big life lesson, and let her slip back into obscurity to start her life over again. But she can’t. People seem to want to throw rocks at her. I much prefer to direct all my vitriol toward CW and send a little in the direction of his mother, father, and sister.
While I agree with you that 100 percent of the blame should be put on the cheater. I have seen women who have targeted men simply because they are married. She knew he was married and had children. She may have told him to work on his marriage but her actions spoke differently, so NK cant be thought of as anything other than a homewrecker. That doesn't take the blame off Chris. He is still a cheater and a killer. And NK is still a homewrecker.
 
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  • #155
@nwmouse replied to me in last thread;

"Most of your questions have been answered by posters more knowledgable than me.

On this one:
"Will CW decide at some point, to tell his story? (I believe he will, maybe in a year, because of ego."
His "story" will always be a big, fat pack of lies. Any story he tells will be a jumbled pile of steaming BS that makes him feel validated for murdering his family. He is incapable of telling the truth and seeing reality. He lives in his own Norman Bates world of freakish perversions and selfishness. May he rot in hell until he takes his last, pathetic breath."

Yes! I agree wholeheartedly! When I said I thought he would tell his story, that's exactly what I meant; "his story", not the truth. I believe that CW thought it would all end with his pleas and sentencing. Instead we have a continual flow of new information. If he's aware of what's happening he may reach a point where he wants to speak out. It will all be self-serving lies and fantasies. Like the Menendez Bros. Or, he may stay silent like SP!
 
  • #156
There’s a spot in the interview where Chris is talking and his dad is texting, you can hear the keyboard taps. Perhaps Chris might have thought his dad was texting his mom. The first time watching I felt the dad was too calm, but after watching a second time I think the dad was simply slow to process. He asked at one point if she then left with the girls not understanding that when Chris said she “hurt the girls” that he meant kill them.

Ok. That makes sense.
 
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Re: Ronnie possibly knowing about the affair, I am reminded of this post from trinket78

Yes I am aware of the one affair and was from the beginning. She also knew he wanted a separation before her trip. She continued to post about how wonderful he was. He deleted his Facebook after that.

They tried to retract the way they worded it after it drew attention but I believe the wording was sincere the first time.

MOO
 
  • #159
It's certainly noteworthy. He wasn't there. How does he know?

I think good ol' Ronnie has a history of bailing out his son.

That's partly how these guys become sociopaths, IMO and based on what I've read and my life experience. It's the abuse, neglect, chaos, complete undermining of their self-worth by the parent on one hand, but also being an extension of the parent's ego, enmeshed, the golden child, protected from any consequences when they harm others, taught that someone else is always to blame, on the other hand. My sociopath (ASPD) ex's parents were atrocious to him, dressed him up like a girl and laughed at him, physically abused him, but as soon as he was old enough to start driving drunk and smashing windows, his lawyer daddy (NPD) would swoop in and make it all go away, and nobody ever mentioned it again. I think the disconnect is part of the nurture that causes that ASPD/NPD gene to activate. Also known as "affluenza"...?
 
  • #160
Are all clocks in interrogation rooms that loud? Is that part of the interrogation routine i.e. time is running out, time to fess up, etc.
 
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