GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #61

[WhatDidYouDo]

Yes, that's normal phraseology. Some people even go as far as to shorten it to "my peeps" or "her peeps"

Did anyone else notice that CW in his media interview referred to "her people", ie SW's people she worked with. I didn't think anything of it, but noticed it. Then, NK also, the night before his media blitz, refers to "his people". Is this common these days, his people, her people? I don't think I've ever used that, I would say his friends, her team, her relatives, something like that.

 

[PommyMommy]

Has he even been placed anywhere yet? If it was on here I missed it.

Still in reception. Avg length of processing is 28 days, I think. MOO

 

[PrimeSuspect]

AUDIO: Chris Watts’ Mistress Says She Might Have 'Accelerated the Process' of His Crimes
In audio of the Aug. 16 interview released Thursday and obtained by The Denver Post, Nichol Kessinger tells police she believes the Watts’ finances were the biggest factor in his crimes, but said her relationship with Watts might have “accelerated the process.”
(Click here for the audio.)
She says a lot of people might blame her, believing she was the catalyst for the slayings, but she adds, “I legitimately think his cheese was sliding off his cracker long before he met me,” says Kessinger.

I haven't heard that expression before but it's a good one!

 

[Gingerbread7]

Maybe another poster has suggested this, but I think those 2 interrogators probably didn't even have to stick a finger down their throat when they got home. Vomit, bathe, turn on some silly reality show. Anything to get that creep off their minds. I can't believe they were so nice and supportive. I understand "why", just that I would definitely have been the bad cop (and I probably wouldn't have gotten the same results). I couldn't say all that...your dad will always love you, you took care of SW and your children.
One other comment, is it normal for on of the interrogators to also administer the polygraph? Seems like in all the movies I have seen, there is a special, different, polygraph technician.

I am curious about the length of questioning/questions in regard to the polygraph. Was a baseline established? If no baseline was established I would bet good money that the “polygraph” was an approach to induce fear and nervousness and help inmate watts realize they knew he was guilty.

This is just my experience.

How does one get verified for a profession? Do I have to send in certifications, my resume?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

BBM. Well isn't she cute. The "cheese was sliding off his cracker"? It's all a joking matter to her. If you can't be serious about an entire family brutally destroyed and desecrated by the person they loved and trusted most, you clearly don't give a $%&! about anything but yourself. Sorry, not sorry, guys. She's disgusting. No one should ever, ever joke about this, let alone a woman coyly insinuating that she's so "electric" and irresistible that a man committed the murder of his own innocent babies for her. Or, correction, I guess she said her charms merely "accelerated the process."

I'm glad this People article is out there. The public had a right to know more than Nichol's fancy PR campaign and glamour shots in the Denver Post would have them believe.

Way too flippant through the whole interview, her cheese is sliding off the cracker too. How can one be so unaware? She would have fit right in with the Watts.

 

[NuttMegg]

Yes! The weird jovial joking is one thing that really made me do a double take while listening. The detective is asking her about their last dinner together at the restaurant, and she starts complaining about the crappy location they were seated at. Because you couldn't see the tvs. And the Broncos game was on. And then she starts laughing, like "oh whatever because it was only a preseason game."

I mean what???! I get if she was talking about her reaction at the time. But she started laughing about it then.

I agree with the post above that when listening to this, I had to stop and check that she had learned at this point he had confessed. But she had.

And that's what caught my attention. You have already learned the guy you have been sleeping with for weeks, who you were thinking about potentially marrying, has annihilated his entire immediate family. And you're all giggling to the detective, "tee hee who cares about stupid preseason football!" That's the type of example where she just came off as so tone deaf to the whole situation. I don't necessarily think she is sinister or that she had any sinister motives in any of this, but it did sound like she is missing some kind of empathy chip.

I got the impression she was joking with her father re that subject. Like they were both Broncos fans. I did wonder why one restaurant would have a different menu than another nearby restaurant in the same chain.

 

[katie565]

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I am curious about the length of questioning/questions in regard to the polygraph. Was a baseline established? If no baseline was established I would bet good money that the “polygraph” was an approach to induce fear and nervousness and help inmate watts realize they knew he was guilty.

This is just my experience.

How does one get verified for a profession? Do I have to send in certifications, my resume?

There was in-depth questioning. I’m sure someone can get you the page numbers faster than I can but I’ll go look

 

[cybervampira]

@stereopticons

May I ask your opinion as a professional? I wonder if the concept of learned helplessness could play a role here. Clearly, in CW‘s life, women were driving the bus, and he jumped out when he saw an opportunity to do so. He escaped his mom, leaving North Carolina with a strong woman, SW. He then wanted to escape his wife. Yet again, there was NK, another woman he would have perceived as strong. After being ”head over heels“, he ultimately took control by murdering his entire family. At that time, there was no easy way out for him. Of course, divorce would have done the trick before he got himself caught in a web of lies but this would have required him being proactive and dealing with issues in a mature manner. Maybe he was hoping SW would make the decision for him, and when she fought for their marriage, he couldn’t man up and tell her the truth. The day he had to make a choice between facing SW and telling her he‘s leaving or losing NK, with all his lies being exposed, he annihilated his family. I don’t see him exactly in the same category as any of the Petersons (Drew, Scott, Michael) or on the extreme cluster b spectrum, this is why I‘m thinking learned helplessness could be one factor - in a way that he never learned how to drive the bus or things like simply saying ”No“. I‘d love to know more about his upbringing and the alleged (!) abuse/neglect he endured as a child.

Looking forward to your opinion.

 

[Lore Listener]

I just filled out the CORA request form and will let you know if I hear back. The records have to be released to anyone per FOIA. It’s just a question of how long they have and if they charge for it.

That is some next-level sleuthing! You are awesome and we are grateful. If they charge much, PM me and I'd be happy to chip in.

Not directed at you at all, but I'm kind of sick of people with low character, bad, mean, people, facing zero consequences and being protected in this country because "everyone makes mistakes", or "we have no right to judge".

Maybe it's okay that a person like her faces some societal shunning. We should have common values as a community and a culture. Like coming together to help one another and not being selfish at times of crisis. Doing what is necessary, even at our own expense, to help children. Assisting LE when asked, in major criminal cases. Having respect for others, including professionals who are doing a tough job, instead of narcissitically trying to control their job and brattily expressing impatience and annoyance with having to be involved in something that actually includes death and murder.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You just gave me a tiny bit of my faith in humanity back. Decency matters. Kindness, justice, self-sacrifice matter. Truthfulness and respect and compassion really do matter. I'm glad there are others out there who think so!

 

[The Farm]

True, it would have to be jail as he's not in prison yet.

Last I heard he was still in intake.

 

[PommyMommy]

I am curious about the length of questioning/questions in regard to the polygraph. Was a baseline established? If no baseline was established I would bet good money that the “polygraph” was an approach to induce fear and nervousness and help inmate watts realize they knew he was guilty.

This is just my experience.

How does one get verified for a profession? Do I have to send in certifications, my resume?

There was in-depth questioning. I’m sure someone can get you the page numbers faster than I can but I’ll go look

See Pg 511 (Discovery pg 578). There were quite lengthy pre- and post-test interviews. MOO

 

[scdiv]

I got the impression she was joking with her father re that subject. Like they were both Broncos fans. I did wonder why one restaurant would have a different menu than another nearby restaurant in the same chain.

True. And the detective was also definitely trying to keep the tone light and amicable which probably contributed to a more relaxed vibe in the room. I think she just sounded pretty tone deaf to me in general given how serious the situation was. But it's true the detective was purposely trying to keep things friendly and conversational, so I get that could play into it too.

 

[NuttMegg]

I am curious about the length of questioning/questions in regard to the polygraph. Was a baseline established? If no baseline was established I would bet good money that the “polygraph” was an approach to induce fear and nervousness and help inmate watts realize they knew he was guilty.

This is just my experience.

How does one get verified for a profession? Do I have to send in certifications, my resume?

Maybe they all knew it is not admissible in court anyway, and I think she, and they, were using those 3 questions before the poly to get reactions from him. They really kept explaining it to him, I think that was clear in the first doc dump. Lots of explanation as to what the questions really meant. I didn't understand, it just seemed so different than polys I've seen in movies where the subject doesn't get any prepping at all, and as you referred to, there is definitely a baseline established, what's your name, where did you go to school, etc.

 

[gitana1]

I have no specific knowledge of this, but I'm kind of in the "fitness world" as a profession and I would say I know most people in my community who are similar. We have the same trainers, lift at the same gyms, take the same classes, participate in the same events, and everyone kind of knows each other. I know people who have trained for fitness competitions, their diets, etc. It's all super boring, but I could relate to her saying she is tapped into a pretty tight knit fitness community. I didn't get a sense it was MyFitnessPal. That's just an easy site/app to track calories and macros.

I can also see how CW's weight and appearance changed so much quickly in the last mug shot. He went from eating clean and strict to no longer able to run his miles or lift weights, or eat his lean proteins, and is now sitting in a jail cell likely with a lot of high sodium, processed food, and a vending machine diet. No organic veggies for him!

Made me think of poor little Bella. On one of her many lunch dates that her mama took her on, taking her out of school early, she chose a healthy turkey sandwhich according to Shanann's post. So cute. It's hard to fathom she will never get the opportunity to eat healthy or eat anything, ever again.

Shanann Watts

I never met Bella and Celeste but from their photos and videos I feel I got to know them. I'm sure we all do. It's so hard to accept that they're truly gone. Lovely babies.

 

[MassGuy]

I am curious about the length of questioning/questions in regard to the polygraph. Was a baseline established? If no baseline was established I would bet good money that the “polygraph” was an approach to induce fear and nervousness and help inmate watts realize they knew he was guilty.

This is just my experience.

How does one get verified for a profession? Do I have to send in certifications, my resume?

The pre exam questions begin on page 581.

They asked 3 questions on the actual test, but they would have asked control questions (undocumented) to establish a baseline.

This was a legitimate polygraph exam, but the intent was undoubtedly to rattle him, and use it to draw a confession from him.

It served its purpose.

Becoming a polygrapher requires specialized training. Different states and organizations have varying requirements.

ETA: I now realize you may have been talking about the verification process on here, and not the career in general.

 

[gitana1]

Maybe they all knew it is not admissible in court anyway, and I think she, and they, were using those 3 questions before the poly to get reactions from him. They really kept explaining it to him, I think that was clear in the first doc dump. Lots of explanation as to what the questions really meant. I didn't understand, it just seemed so different than polys I've seen in movies rolleyes:) where the subject doesn't get any prepping at all, and as you referred to, there is definitely a baseline established, what's your name, where did you go to school, etc.

The results aren't admissible but the questioning is. I think talking about it (the test and results) is as well.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe they all knew it is not admissible in court anyway, and I think she, and they, were using those 3 questions before the poly to get reactions from him. They really kept explaining it to him, I think that was clear in the first doc dump. Lots of explanation as to what the questions really meant. I didn't understand, it just seemed so different than polys I've seen in movies rolleyes:) where the subject doesn't get any prepping at all, and as you referred to, there is definitely a baseline established, what's your name, where did you go to school, etc.

The whole process that was documented in discovery, was completely standard.

I have taken one as part of a job hiring process. It wasn’t as intensive in regards to my background, but it was similar.

 

[NuttMegg]

Way too flippant through the whole interview, her cheese is sliding off the cracker too. How can one be so unaware? She would have fit right in with the Watts.

Flippant. Perfect description.

 

[gitana1]

I have a friend of a friend who is claiming to know a guard at the prison and that Chris has his own guard/is not with the general population. Can anyone confirm this?

Sounds right to me.

 

[PommyMommy]

Chris Watts' Mistress Sobs During Police Interrogation: 'I'm So Ashamed of Him'

The woman with whom Chris Watts had an affair before killing his entire family told police that she was “so ashamed of him,” according to a recording of the interview.

Nichol Kessinger, 30, broke down sobbing as she spoke with investigators at the Frederick Police Department in Colorado as she thought about what Watts had done to his daughters.


“Ugh, he is so disgusting, I am so ashamed of him," she said. "Why? why? why? How? I don't even understand how you can bring yourself to do that to someone who is just that big.”