GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #62

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Yes, but you can no longer say that NK did not contact LE, and many still do, and you can no longer say Anadarko contacted LE first because we don’t know, but many still do. Don’t understand why you are insulted. This isn’t personal.
I am pretty s
I believe NK scrubbed all her electronics on the 14th, when she learned
SW was pregnant. She volunteered to sit for that interview for at least 2 1/2 hours, not sure how long, the tape was cut off, and she answered every question they asked her, then she went back and did more interviews. Whatever they asked. She also typed up for them everything she thought she had forgotten.
She said, in her interview on TV that she wanted to do everything she could to help them be found. Clearly, that was a lie or she never would have scrubbed the texts. What she meant is she wanted to do everything she could to help locate them as long as she didn't have to tell the truth. People usually lie when they have something to hide. JMO
 
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I agree they aren't very creative but great mimics. I found a black book left at my apt. by an MNPD/psychopathic man, I was dating. He wrote down quotes from books, movies that he felt worked on women. He was insincere but sure mimicked a genuine human being. Everything about him was fake.
He claims he never dreamed but would watch movies about men who dreamt and write down their dreams so to not appear odd. He genuinely didn't seem to understand humans and their emotions and took field notes on how to manipulate people into getting what he wanted.
He said, "when I was little I had no sense of self so I wrote down my favorite movie characters and copied them." He thought this was normal behavior to not have a sense of self or a core identity. He thought everyone put on masks every day a new and different one for each person.
He would study his target for up to a year in advance having multiple victims or targets lined up in case another one didn't work out.
Here I thought he wrote these romantic poems only to find them in his Black Book from other books/films.
He stalked me, studied me for two years in advance knew my work, college class schedules, everything even befriended friends to quiz them on my favorite color, music/art, food etc...so when we spoke I thought wow, we have so much in common it was all a mask, a game, a fake identity. When the mask finally came off it was the exact opposite and frightening. When he knew I wasn't buying his bs anymore was the dangerous moment. He feared I'd expose him to others.

Glad you were able to get away safely!! That’s frightening.

Also, this reminds me of both NK and CW. I think she stalked him and his family via Facebook long before they actually spoke for the first time. She’s as empty as he is.
 
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Anyone know if they record these blog panel calls? I hope so, i won’t be able to listen to all of it, and I am really enjoying listening. Thanks.
 
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Anyone know if they record these blog panel calls? I hope so, i won’t be able to listen to all of it, and I am really enjoying listening. Thanks.
Yes. You’ll be able to play it back later.
 
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Somewhat forthcoming, just as she almost felt bad about shagging a sweet beautiful woman's husband.
Somewhat forthcoming in a quadruple murder investigation,when full fledged cooperation is of utmost importance.
 
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I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

Whilst we didn't know the nitty gritties, it feels like there wasn't an awful lot of new information following release of the discovery docs.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To stop LE continuing to dig deeper. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.
 
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I’m a long-time lurker and finally made an account! I’m also a psychologist and will look into how to become verified, but for now I just wanted to say hello. :)
 
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Hell, if I was anywhere on the periphery of their circle I would be worried.

Devious people.
I should have said scared instead of worried. Heck I would be both. And looking to get me and my kids out of dodge.
 
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Yes. You’ll be able to play it back later.
Ok, i wil figure out how to find it. I really like listening, reading through the blog I miss so much. My husband wants me to watch tv with him at some point haha!
 
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Wasn't that something he is supposed to have tried on her after it was all over the news about his missing pregnant wife? I'm not saying she never lied or didn't actually know, but I don't think that part of the story is inconsistent?
Well all the lies she already told.
Really hard to believe anything that she spews out.
 
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I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To protect someone. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.
I have wondered the same.
 
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Something I keep thinking about, and I don’t have links for it. During the Scott Peterson days, I remember rather vividly a psychologist (or someone) talking about the words Peterson used, that they weren’t his own. Words like “took my breath away”. That because he was a sociopath and didn’t have feelings, he couldn’t express feelings. So he stole the words from movies to express them. Like “oh that’s what people say when they’re in love I’ll say that.”
CW was doing the same thing. He kept saying the same things over and over to NK. “Took my breath away”. “Electric”. These weren’t real words. They were stolen sentiments he heard other places. He doesn’t have his own feelings or emotions, he imitated what he saw.
 
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Don't think CW and NK discussed books they read, at all.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
There seems no intellectual component to this affair.
2 sex addicted rabbits at it.
MOO.

You wish.

The problem is, to me it seems she wanted to get married, NK. I think her game was much more sophisticated.

As to CW, yes. And that was the problem. He wanted more sex, and his wife SW came home to stay.
 
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I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To protect someone. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.
MOO..he plead cuz he's a wuss and knew they would come at him for death penalty and quite possibly get it...killing pregnant woman and two babies.
And ugly stuff would come out about him at trial...and oh yeah he's still a wuss.
 
  • #1,175
Yes, but you can no longer say that NK did not contact LE, and many still do, and you can no longer say Anadarko contacted LE first because we don’t know, but many still do. Don’t understand why you are insulted. This isn’t personal.
Anadarko contacted LE at 8am the 15th. NK was there at noon, so.
 
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I’m a long-time lurker and finally made an account! I’m also a psychologist and will look into how to become verified, but for now I just wanted to say hello. :)
Hello and welcome, Evergreen1! :)
 
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I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To protect someone. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.
I think you’re right, he pleaded guilty in order to protect someone.

Himself.

He said Shanann strangled the kids, but the autopsy reports were damning. They proved that the kids were smothered.

They had him dead to rights, but the death penalty was not a legitimate threat.

You’d think he would fight.

Those discovery documents paint a picture of an insecure man, one who cares deeply about what people think of him.

We saw that in the text message from Shanann’s friend on the day of their disappearances, when he asked “do you think I’m a bad person.”

His family was supposedly missing, and he was worried about appearances.

There are numerous examples of this.

I think he didn’t want his whole sordid life exposed, and his carefully crafted image destroyed.

A trial would do that.
 
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I’m a long-time lurker and finally made an account! I’m also a psychologist and will look into how to become verified, but for now I just wanted to say hello. :)
Welcome to WS. Look forward to your take on this case.
 
  • #1,179
I don't think they released false information about her so much as irrelevant embarrassing information. I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but whoever was getting her to voluntarily sign the rights to look at her phone records seemed so reassuring that they were only going to look for where she was talking to Chris. Then they release that she was looking for 🤬🤬🤬🤬 for hours with a few salacious particulars thrown in and I just don't like it.

LE ended up getting a search warrant for her phone. She was THE motive for a quadruple homicide. Her embarrassment is what is irrelevant in the bigger picture.
 
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I wonder about Chris' rush to plea out.

We all expected something really, really damning in the autopsy reports that would point directly at him. It wasn't there.
Then we expected something in the discovery. Really all we got was that he had arranged to be at Cervi 319 alone, the night before.

TBH I am now really wondering about his plea. It was said so that death could be taken off the table but, in reality, death hadn't been even put on the table. Why not wait until someone says "we are seeking the death penalty"? He could have continued to stick to his story. Let's face it, there are people out there that believe it.

IMHO opinion, after the discussions over the last few days (including comments I have read elsewhere but make some sense to me), I am wondering if he plead out to protect someone? To stop the investigation. To protect someone. And I am not talking about innocent victim Shanann either.

Stories here just don't seem to stack up to me.
I think strangling vs smothering directly takes it back to CW and his goose was cooked. His plea came right after the autopsies were released.
 
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