GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

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  • #101
I'm a late-comer to this discussion (last time I obsessed over a crime on WS it was the Jody Arias case :-). I just listened to the entire polygraph interview with CW... all multiple hours of it... fascinating stuff! I had two questions for the group:

1. What is the plausible scenario about what went down Aug 13? I find it hard to believe Chris would have killed his girls before SW got home.

2. Does anybody see ANY potential scenario whereby CW actually gets away with this murder? It is hard to believe he spent any time thinking this through in advance (as suggested by some), as it is just so incredibly unlikely he would ever get away with it (and get the girl!) I'm leaning toward a second-degree scenario with CW, and pre-meditation with the girls.

Cheers-

Dave
 
  • #102
Re: NK’s interview and her tone in discussing Shannan.

I think demonizing the Wife in an affair is probably pretty common for the AP.

The cheater goes on and on about how horrible the wife is to him, a littany of her “abuse”.

Then it takes the onus off of the AP because she isn’t the deceiptful abusive person, it’s the Evil Wife. And NK gets to be consoler, the support.

She’s openly displaying her inner guilt over this affair.

NK would be a terrible step mom - wowza!
jmo
 
  • #103
I think so too. I did not realize until reading the quoted post that the doll picture was so close in time to the deaths.

The doll photo with the face covered is like looking at a window in his mind about how he was going to murder his children and dispose of their bodies
 
  • #104
There does not appear to be any video showing Chris “loading the bodies” into his truck. I know he did, but unsure why LE/DA made it out like you could LITERALLY see Chris do that.
 
  • #105
I heard him say, "She's pregnant as well."
I think that was prompted by the ad on the TV at that moment. I don't remember what the specific product was, but the ad showed a baby in utero. It was about the 3:50 mark. MOO

ETA: Sorry @dixiegirl1035, I see you posted the same. I'm going to leave this for reference to the point in the bodycam footage.
 
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  • #106
Wonder when this terabyte of information is going to be released?
 
  • #107
Killer Chris Watts Watched Neighbor's Surveillance Video The Day Before His Arrest

Here’s the bodycam video of when they were looking at the neighbors camera

Wow. That is the first time I have seen a look of sheer panic on CW's face. His body language was strange-- putting his hands on his head like he was in a hostage situation and touching his chest for a moment like he was clutching his heart. I think these are tells that he suddenly realized his neighbor's camera would have captured anything if Shanann and the girls left any other way but in his truck. He knew the back doors and windows were all secured in such a way they could not have gone out the back. He knows he is caught right here at that moment. Why/how he ever was able to regroup and continue to lie to the press, to family, to friends and most of all to the FBI and police is still so utterly mind-boggling that I can't stop following this case. Most would have thrown in the towel and owned up to what happened or at least lawyer-ed up and stopped talking at this point. What is wrong with CW? o_O

MOO.
 
  • #108
Wow. That is the first time I have seen a look of sheer panic on CW's face. His body language was strange-- putting his hands on his head like he was in a hostage situation and touching his chest for a moment like he was clutching his heart. I think these are tells that he suddenly realized his neighbor's camera would have captured anything if Shanann and the girls left any other way but in his truck. He knew the back doors and windows were all secured in such a way they could not have gone out the back. He knows he is caught right here at that moment. Why/how he ever was able to regroup and continue to lie to the press, to family, to friends and most of all to the FBI and police is still so utterly mind-boggling that I can't stop following this case. Most would have thrown in the towel and owned up to what happened or at least lawyer-ed up and stopped talking at this point. What is wrong with CW? o_O

MOO.

I fully agree. I don’t know what’s wrong with him, but whatever it is it’s not good.
jmo
 
  • #109
So there is a 30 minute video of officers going around the house after CW gives them access. Wish I could post it but it’s on fb now but should be on YouTube later. The officer goes thru every room including the basement. Chris is outside during this time but you can tell how the officers don’t think it makes sense.

Sidenote: Just looking at their house it’s so organized and clean! Don’t know how SW did it, she was super mom for sure. It made me so sad seeing the tour of it knowing just a couple hours earlier CW took their lives for no reason. So senseless.
 
  • #110
There is another new YouTube video up. It is of the police going through his house but a different one than we have seen before.

I don't know if we can link here so I will just say to search for "video Break" Channel with the title "police interview Chris Watts after he murdered his family"

ETA

For those that have earbuds and are good of hearing, try to listen to the police when they are in the kitchen, as the Axiom camera is picking up a conversation with him and her mother!
 
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  • #111
When I first posted here at WS I stated that I believed the murders were very premeditated. I had to explain what I meant by "very". I meant; that the premeditation was detailed and over a period of time ( days or weeks, not hours). I still believe that it was very premeditated, based on all of the information and evidence that has come out. We now know that CW was under pressure from Shanann to save their relationship. She was a fighter, she loved him, and thought the marriage worth saving. We also know he was under pressure, if not directly by NK, then because of her. Finally we know that time was not his friend, at least in his mind. He had to know that at any time there could be an ultimatum from either Shanann and/or NK. He knew Bella was starting school. He had to know that there would be a small window of opportunity, after the NC trip and before school starting, DR. appointments, gender reveals, etc.

I believe he began planning in his mind; when, where, how, and what do to with the bodies. In his (initial) plan Shanann leaves with the girls, to punish him. No explanation, no trace. I believe this planning started before the NC trip and by the time the trip took place Shanann and the girls had become non-entities to him, just something to be removed, and he became cold and detached. I also believe the "posed doll photo" was part of this plan, but I'm not sure of it's purpose. A warning? A fore-shadowing? I wonder if he meant to send it to himself, making it appear it was sent by SW as a threat to him, but messed up and sent it to SW instead. That would fit with his incompetence.

I believe the night of Shanann's return from Arizona was the time planned for the murders; she came home, they talked, they slept, and after he went to work, she left with the girls. In his mind; perfect. Until, instead of arriving home before 11:00 P.M., Shanann didn't arrive home until almost 2:00 A.M. and he was robbed of three hours and his plan was altered! I continue to believe CW murdered the girls first, after the call to Grandpa, because he didn't want to just murder Shanann, he wanted to punish her. He wanted the girls dead when she came home. The "posed doll" was therefore, fore-shadowing. We now know there were no defensive wounds on Shanann, no bruising, not a mark. Nothing. Also, no marks on CW. Even if he had pinned her on the bed, including her arms, she would have thrashed around, struggling, causing some bruising, biting her tongue or lip, something! Just like Bella did. But there were no marks, nothing. She was sick, physically and emotionally, and probably very tired. I believe CW showed her what he had done, probably said some horrible things, and she collapsed and gave up. Lost all reason to fight. And then he easily murdered her. He then probably spent some time ordering in his mind what needed to be done. He no doubt did some cleaning (the smell of cleaning, later). Maybe took a short nap. And then loaded the truck.

Bella was anxious for her Mother to come home and she kept getting up. The girls were supposedly light sleepers. If Bella was alive when Shanann came home, she would've gotten up and rushed to greet her Mom. That didn't happen. I also don't believe Shanann would have gone to bed without checking on the girls. CW would have known that and used it.

In his mind, the plan probably still seemed intact, just delayed. Everything could continue, as planned. Except, NUA changed everything. God bless her.

What I've read in the discovery and heard from his interviews confirms, for me, that the murders were premeditated well in advance and the girls were murdered first. And it breaks my heart over and over.
 
  • #112
Shanann takes pride in her home and I think when Shanann got home, she found out NK was in their home, either from Chris or smelled perfume in the bedroom and she freaked out in a rage which set him in a rage and woke the girls up who came in the room. He killed her in front of the kids and had to kill them because Bella would tell grandparents what happened. That's my scenario.
 
  • #113
I forget who posted here about this, but now that we know she used fertility drugs for the first two pregnancies and they weren't using anything this time, I don't think CW thought she would actually get pregnant.

I thought of that too, but I don't know. Do we have anything from anyone other than CW about SW only using fertility drugs with the first 2 pregnancies? The way she talked about the possibility of the baby being twins made me think they may have been using some fertility drugs during this pregnancy too. JMO.
 
  • #114
I'm a late-comer to this discussion (last time I obsessed over a crime on WS it was the Jody Arias case :). I just listened to the entire polygraph interview with CW... all multiple hours of it... fascinating stuff! I had two questions for the group:

1. What is the plausible scenario about what went down Aug 13? I find it hard to believe Chris would have killed his girls before SW got home.

2. Does anybody see ANY potential scenario whereby CW actually gets away with this murder? It is hard to believe he spent any time thinking this through in advance (as suggested by some), as it is just so incredibly unlikely he would ever get away with it (and get the girl!) I'm leaning toward a second-degree scenario with CW, and pre-meditation with the girls.

Cheers-

Dave

To answer #1: I think he got caught in the act of what he was doing to Shanann by one of the girls and came to the conclusion of the act he so grossly carried out. IMHO - he decided, in that moment, he couldn't have either of the girls repeat what they saw. It's my OWN opinion he did the thing with the doll as a premeditated plan of what he was going to do to Shanann and it was a scare tactic. I think his story was going to be that she left after the "emotional discussion" and even though taking her life was premeditated he didn't think through all of it nearly enough (thank God!).

These are all just MY personal thoughts based on what I've read in the discovery docs.
 
  • #115
I see that as the old "consciousness of guilt" body posture.

He’s got his arms up like he’s ready to be arrested right there. So weird.
 
  • #116
Re: NK’s interview and her tone in discussing Shannan.

I think demonizing the Wife in an affair is probably pretty common for the AP.

The cheater goes on and on about how horrible the wife is to him, a littany of her “abuse”.

Then it takes the onus off of the AP because she isn’t the deceiptful abusive person, it’s the Evil Wife. And NK gets to be consoler, the support.

She’s openly displaying her inner guilt over this affair.

Agree. The psychology exhibited in the NK interview is probably pretty common for women in illicit affairs (don't ask me how I know). No doubt she was conflicted, as most people in affairs are. I found her interview credible, even if there was some obvious self-service and self-interest scattered throughout. Part of rationalizing an affair is to think that the innocent spouse is largely responsible for the marital problems. CW no doubt fed this narrative to NK extensively, and NK probably sopped it up, as it helped ease her guilt. NK encouraging CW to patch things up also rang true to me. Been there, done that. Part of the inner conflict in an affair is to try and encourage the 'right thing', even as your heart is longing for the other person. To me, clearly NK was downplaying the depth of the affair during the interview. I would guess this helps her seem more innocent of the tragic outcome, which is hardly surprising. I think the affair was much more torrid than she suggests in the interview; belying this was the frequency of communication (many multiple times/day), and--if true--shopping for wedding dresses. For his part, CW boxed himself in with unsustainable lies as his affair was getting hotter and hotter. Hardly a reason to slaughter your family however. CW is the psychopath here, not NK.

Dave
 
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  • #118
There does not appear to be any video showing Chris “loading the bodies” into his truck. I know he did, but unsure why LE/DA made it out like you could LITERALLY see Chris do that.

I have no idea how to find the video but there is video of CW loading a black trash bag in the back of the truck
 
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  • #120
There's a Facebook page called The State of Colorado vs Chris Watts. If you go there it's currently the first video on the page. It's the same Radar Online video but it doesn't block EU viewers.

LOL!
 
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