GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

[tmar]

Long ago in another life, my ex husband strangled me briefly. I was pregnant as well, with small kids in the house. As I tried to fight him off, all I managed was a tiny scratch on his neck and ripped his shirt collar. I don't wallow in this, no need for sympathy. I'm all good now. Shortly after, he violated a restraining order, but I bested him with a bit of pepper spray, and I've been rid of him for a loooonnnng time now. In my incident, I had some red marks on my neck but nothing else. I only bring up my past for two reasons....
1) To relate a personal strangling incident in which "marks" were minimal.
2) To mention that the cops and victims advocate instructed me not to say "choke" instead of "strangle" because it minimizes the severity of the act. Language has power. You choke when something is IN your throat. Strangling is a violent act from without. Up thread someone mentioned that RW said "choked" while talking with CW in the interrogation room. Interesting if so.

Well SweetPeas.
You are fortunate you have moved on from your horrid past with this jerk.
Reading here, I would think, will continually remind you, of these incidents.
Thanks for your explanation re 'strangle and choke'.

 

[tmar]

I don't think CW had opened a savings account for this proposed apartment.
It was only discussed between NK and CW how much money would be required, with the 'up front' bills for this venture.
MOO.

 

[The Farm]

Columbia Correctional Institution. It is a max facility. Where Dahmer was.

Oh lookie (if that is the one) what happened to Dahmer.

 

[Mellowmelly]

Oh lookie (if that is the one) what happened to Dahmer.

Wasn’t he murdered ?

 

[The Farm]

Wasn’t he murdered ?

Yes he was, I have no idea how they are going to keep CW protected forever.

 

[SausagePizza]

On November 28, 1994, Dahmer was beaten to death by Christopher Scarver, a fellow inmate at the Columbia Correctional Institution.

Scarver used a 20-inch (51 cm) metal bar he removed from a piece of exercise equipment in the prison weight room to beat Dahmer and another convicted murderer, Jesse Anderson. Both Dahmer and Anderson died later from their injuries. Scarver was sentenced to two further life sentences for the killings.

 

[cybervampira]

Given his thoughts are disturbed it is likely he had some of this thinking. Quite often annihilators think they are doing their families a favor by murdering them. It would not suprise me if somewhere in his disturbed consciousness he thought he was doing the best thing by SW, as she didn't want a divorce and couldn't afford to live on his own with two kids. However the underlying thought and intent behind those thoughts is obviously incredibly self serving, selfish and narcassistic. Eg they need me and can't live without me and I don't want them anymore.

Then add in his absolute need to protect his nice guy image at all costs and bingo there's no way he can abandon a pregnant wife and two kids... A major recipe for disaster

I don’t think he fits the ”They need me and I‘m doing the best thing” type of FA. He was the needy one.

I suppose CW was the kind of guy who was unable to form a healthy relationship with any woman. Love bombing, obsession, fantasy bond... I don’t think it was any different when he met SW - the only difference back then was nobody stood in the way. His new ”symbiotic relationship“ meant NK was not a separate person. If he lost NK, he would lose himself. Fight or flight. He couldn’t let SW “kill“ him, so he killed her first. Premeditation? Yes, once he felt he was trapped. In his panic (perceived death threat), he failed to come up with a sophisticated plan.

He probably developed an unhealthy attachment style in his early childhood. And he was empty to the core. Without symbiosis, he would cease to exist.

@stereopticons Would love to hear your take on this.

 

[Mercedes]

At one point, as the officer is walking around the outside of the house he says, “****!” I think that's when he realized this was a MUCH bigger problem. I can only imagine what was going on in his head. But, he handled the situation excellently. And, once he called in the detective, that was it. CW's goose was cooked. Or, more appropriately, his chicken was grilled!

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[Mellowmelly]

Yes he was, I have no idea how they are going to keep CW protected forever.

All it takes is one prison warden to turn a blind eye ...

 

[Mercedes]

Don't think I can link the video here, but if you go to www.youtube.com and search "Chris Watts" and "neighbour admits his suspicion" (that's what the spelling says) - it's an extended video of the neighbor, NUA's son, and police conversing after CW has left the neighbor's house after viewing the camera angles. Good stuff.

ETA: It's hard to hear at first, but keep watching. NUA comes back as well. The neighbor is amazing. He is acting more detective-y than the detective.

IMO, Chris is really nervous when the neighbor starts showing the policeman what his video camera picked up.

 

[mickey2942]

Yes he was, I have no idea how they are going to keep CW protected forever.

Nor does he deserve it. Just put him in solitary confinement, like his buddy, Scott Peterson. There was a sob story about incarceration on tv last week, about how "poor SP" only got three showers a week, and 1 hour of outdoor time, in a small yard, covered with barbed wire. Wanh! Prison is so "inhumane". Well, the ones locked up are "inhumane". Suits them.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

True, I think I’m just wishful thinking that he has regrets, should I say remorse. I’ve always been interested in true crime and have followed cases on WS in the past but none have affected me like this case. Probably because my youngest child is five and so close in age to Bella and Cece and just because I’m a parent and could never imagine deliberately hurting my children. Bella and Cece should be getting excited about Christmas right now, not buried feet below ground. I despise him and would love to send him some hate mail.

He's not worthy wasting your precious time on hate mail. Even that would feed into his narc ego.
Just let him disappear into the bowels of prison.
Away from NK, away from his family. Being told what to do,and when 24/7.

 

[Abba's Tears]

Columbia Correctional Institution. It is a max facility. Where Dahmer was.

Oh lookie (if that is the one) what happened to Dahmer.

Wasn’t he murdered ?

Oh my. That's too bad. See ya later perpetrator!

 

[Mellowmelly]

I don’t think he fits the ”They need me and I‘m doing the best thing” type of FA. He was the needy one.

I suppose CW was the kind of guy who was unable to form a healthy relationship with any woman. Love bombing, obsession, fantasy bond... I don’t think it was any different when he met SW - the only difference back then was nobody stood in the way. His new ”symbiotic relationship“ meant NK was not a separate person. If he lost NK, he would lose himself. Fight or flight. He couldn’t let SW “kill“ him, so he killed her first. Premeditation? Yes, once he felt he was trapped. In his panic (perceived death threat), he failed to come up with a sophisticated plan.

He probably developed an unhealthy attachment style in his early childhood. And he was empty to the core. Without symbiosis, he would cease to exist.

@stereopticons Would love to hear your take on this.

Do you think he was genuinely “in love” with NK ? Or was it just an act ? Interesting post.

 

[The Farm]

All it takes is one prison warden to turn a blind eye ...

As I have said previously, he killed his babies and his pregnant wife and said exactly all this would happen but I was poo pood by a poster on here(I will not name names because I do not roll like that) saying they do not kill baby killers in prison. Duh??? Oh yes they do and from what I am reading even the prison guards want to do him in.
CW should be a very scared man right now but I do think they will keep him in some kind of isolation for awhile because of the threats on his life, which he will have no matter where he goes. He truly as it stand right now is a Dead Man Walking.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Hello. You can probably do a lot better than me. I'm still learning. Been here since 2016.

Oh geez, how discouraging, for me.

 

[kaykay543]

JMOO, I believe he was likely emotional, crying, those snippets of truth weaved into his lies about an 'emotional conversation.' I believe he was crying, crying when he smothered the girls, one by one, then silently weeping while he waited for SW to fall asleep and quietly strangle her.

I believe he sat there for a minute in the eerily quiet house, sobbing before getting into the disposal of the bodies mode..

Rage is at himself for doing this...for reasons only he know, the freedom, the financial aspect of more kids, he just wanted out...

So. Many. Other. Ways. OUT!

NEVER THIS!!!

The neighbor with that remote not buying a single.word of CW who was pacing a bit and sweating...

The cops knew the second they got there when the friend called that all was not right in that immaculate house when the friend was saying those buzz words; pregnant, separated, not herself, upset all weekend, her shoes and car are here....that officer 'knew.'

CW could not have been more busted...and let it be a lesson to ANY ONE out there, DO NOT DO THIS, JUST LEAVE, for everyone's sake, JUST LEAVE!

My BIL is a deadbeat dad TWICE over, as in he left two ex-wives with 1 child each per ex-wife..sure my IL's are APPALLED by him, sure, he doesn't pay child support, and no doesn't see the kids (one he sees once a year, the other he hasn't seen in 7 years, the kid is now 10), my BIL up and LEFT TWO women/children..sure he is always being sued etc., but he's FREE...

JUST. LEAVE!!!!

I don't think inmate CW ever shed one tear for SW, Nico, Bella or Celeste. He only shed tears for himself when he knew everyone was going to know what an evil monster he is. Especially his coworkers.

Most of us just cannot understand a person that can't feel emotion. But that person is for sure inmate CW.

 

[ShellCO]

I did look on the map. Her most direct route to work would have been I 25 N to highway 66 to Platteville. Frederick is not directly on I 25 N, but it is possible she was on her way to work and passing by Frederick and made a call and it pinged on a tower in Frederick.

IDK. I'm sure investigators answered this question.

I viewed the map as well and reached the same conclusion you did, that she made a call on her way to work. The town of Frederick is about two miles east of I25.

 

[dgfred]

IMO, Chris is really nervous when the neighbor starts showing the policeman what his video camera picked up.

But it really doesn't show anything except him backing the truck up. The only thing I see him putting in it is the gas can. It seems odd that he would be doing all that but it shouldn't make him more nervous than LE and SW's friend walking all around the house. He acts soooo strange when they find the phone. Not startled, not so worried that he 'thinks' something has happened to her, just casually scrolling thru her phone. How odd.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Do you think he was genuinely “in love” with NK ? Or was it just an act ? Interesting post.

Immature infatuation, imho.