GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

[Bothsides]

Agree, his decision to murder was not a decision made because of her perceived treatment of him that others went so crazy discussing. Normal people don’t have that button to push or switch to flip. IDK how those people who still argue that can look at all these videos and his total lack of grief for his children and think this was about the dynamics between him and Shanann

BBM
This is exactly what I meant when I said I hate the term. There are no buttons to push in emotionally/mentally stable humans. Do we get mad, angry, etc.. yep. But we do not murder.

I think it's weird that a lot of the things he said in reference to his kids were things that aren't necessarily positive. Calling one a "rampage", talking about them not finishing dinner, having nuggets thrown at him, etc. I've been in the situation where I've been super worried about my kids, or I've been talking about my dead child, and almost by instinct I go straight to the GOOD stuff: their laughs, the cute things they say, the way they snuggle when they sleep, etc. It was odd, to me, that he went straight into the disciplinary memories.

He had to demonize them. It blew my mind when I heard him describing them period. That's what happens in death, he should have been describing their appearances more so IMO.

I think it mostly plays into people's fears about it happening to them. It's difficult to wrap your head around the idea that a seemingly normal person with no discernible signs could one day just take out their whole family. You look at SW who's the epitome of a Pinterest-perfect mother and wife and it's scary. (Heck, I've been side-eyeing my husband for weeks now. ) Some people can't wrap their heads around the idea of a FA so they need a "reason"-something they can understand. Finding a way of blaming SW (even if it's not an outright blame) is a way of assuring themselves that it won't happen to THEM.

With a FA situation, though, it's never about the victim. If the annihilator gets it in their head that they no longer need their family anymore,and therefore want them gone, then that's pretty much it. She could have come home and argued with him, she could have come home and made him his favorite snack, or she could have come home and gone straight to bed. In the end, the outcome would've been the same if he'd already decided ahead of time.

BBM
BINGO!
I will now ease up on some looks I give while scrolling as this pertains to me too.


Agepfaquarius I am thankful you got out alive!!

Smelly sheets was freudian slip, again. Moo





Re: the interviews, each time they bought one of them in or left the room, I was thinking what creative line (not really at all) they would come up with to leave the witness/perp to their own devices momentarily.

Uh uh we need to go check the water hose out back.. we'll be right back to ya
Lol
I could not make it through NK2 ..she dragged every answer out so long. And made EVERYTHING harder than it had to be and I only made it to when he left to get the wifi guy.
Maybe I will finish soon to try to witness the slow processing I'm reading she experienced, or maybe not.

 

[Layla123]

I have been raked over the coals for my “pushing buttons” comment, and I’d like to explain. To me, “pushing buttons” means a high sensitivity in the person whose buttons are getting pushed over a personal psychological issue they need to deal with, so it is no longer a sore spot for them. The person who is pushing the buttons, either consciously or unconsciously, is telling the truth. I think it is a common occurrence in a marriage. I know I’ve done it, I know my husband has done it to me. In no way do I blame SW for what happened to her. Anyone who accuses me of this is making a false and hurtful accusation.

 

[Curious.1]

I'm muddling through the mumbley Ronnie Watts interview (painful). So I notice that at 10:45 minutes in, he mentions that he knew the situation with the "other girl" before quickly veering away. Despite this, he also starts by saying that Shanann is a controlling narcissist. (His son is a cheater, but nevermind that??!) Was the game plan to discredit Shanann - it didn't take long, even here, for certain voices to pipe up what an awful woman Shanann was. That is a rhetorical question as they were cruel to her long before her death. 20:18 "She'd be sitting on her , on her phone, doin' her LeVel stuff, Chris is runnin' around takin' care of the kids" Victim blaming starts at home - how dare women get jobs and let their husbands parent. 21:00 "He said I should have done this a long time ago"

 

[kaykay543]

Also, Bella always woke up in the morning and got in bed with them. She had already gotten out of bed twice earlier to ask if her mom was home yet. I would think he would not want to take the risk. I don't think she knew he had killed them, however. I think one of her friends had said she probably wouldn't have gone in the girls room because she wouldn't have wanted to disturb them or wake them. Imo

I really don't believe anything inmate CW says. I don't believe Bella got up twice because imo she was already dead. LE has hinted that they also think the girls were killed first.

 

[ZsaZsa]

What is Oh Snap?

It's when you say or think something at the same time as someone else. It comes from an English card game. You are dealt cards face down. Each player in turn, puts their face up cards down on a pile and when two players put the same card, the first to shout Snap wins the pile of cards.

 

[TrifleMars]

It is hard for normal folks with a conscience to fathom his actions, which is in part what sucked me into this case. There is still a lot I haven't explored, but I'm starting to get a better picture, and it makes more sense. I think Chris was finding a new side of himself, catalyzed by his girlfriend. This new side was one of physical bearing, attractiveness, sexuality. Some of the texts and communications with NK highlight an intense, sexually-oriented affair (eg. NK was searching for info on anal sex and watching 3-some videos in addition to searching for wedding dresses). Having engaged in an intense affair in my 30's that cost me my marriage, I can relate to the incredibly strong feelings CW was experiencing. He likely became increasingly dissociated from his previous life with SW, and was finding it difficult to relate to that life any more. He was feeling powerful and was increasingly narcissistic. Look at those police photos of his bad-, tatooed, and lean body. This was a man feeling his oats. He wanted a new life with NK that represented a different lifestyle, one of exploration, fitness, sexuality, etc. For her part, NK fed this thirst, and he obsessed over propagating and advancing his relationship with her, even if it meant lying in a totally unsustainable way. He looked at the options, and a divorce from SW would have left him a financial cripple and probably less attractive to NK as a result. He may have felt insecure with his relationship with NK, and wanted to feed his attractiveness to her in every way. The cleanest way to achieve this new life would be to simply eliminate his family. Maybe he would even be able to keep that nice house. Fitting the profile of family annihilators, Chris fantasized about 'removing' his family from his life, but was a piss poor planner. When cornered, he rapidly confessed, which is typical of this class of sociopath.

Affairs happen all the time, but family annihilation does not. Clearly Chris was a sociopath and narcissist, and under the influence of some powerful feelings. That is my take at the moment!

What would be fascinating would be to listen in on his final pre-murder conversation with NK. They were apparently on the phone from 9-11 PM just prior to the murders. This phone call must have been influential for Chris to spring into action that night!

Dave

What an absolutely brilliant post!!

 

[Trudie]

So it's her fault no matter what.

Please don’t distort my post. No one in their right mind can think S deserved her fate.

 

[Layla123]

We really don't know that his lying behavior came out of nowhere. We don't know for sure he wasn't a serial cheater. I doubt he was, but who knows.

I know. It’s so weird. I just can’t believe that SW would have let him get away with it. She was too smart.

 

[The Farm]

It's when you say or think something at the same time as someone else. It comes from an English card game. You are dealt cards face down. Each player in turn, puts their face up cards down on a pile and when two players put the same card, the first to shout Snap wins the pile of cards.

I am learning so much new lingo on this thread. Vocal fry took the cake though.

 

[kaykay543]

I have been raked over the coals for my “pushing buttons” comment, and I’d like to explain. To me, “pushing buttons” means a high sensitivity in the person whose buttons are getting pushed over a personal psychological issue they need to deal with, so it is no longer a sore spot for them. The person who is pushing the buttons, either consciously or unconsciously, is telling the truth. I think it is a common occurrence in a marriage. I know I’ve done it, I know my husband has done it to me. In no way do I blame SW for what happened to her. Anyone who accuses me of this is making a false and hurtful accusation.

I think it's the way you "said" it. It sounded very derogatory to SW. And of course people are going to take into account your past posts.

People that have kept up know that SW said she was going to go home and hug CW. That she wasn't going to get into a discussion etc. So your post is in direct opposition of what we know SW said. So it probably hits people wrong when you make a post that is so opposite of what we know

 

[NuttMegg]

Please don’t distort my post. No one in their right mind can think S deserved her fate.

No one distorted your post.

 

[Trudie]

Do you think she ever said I could strangle them and dump them in oil or will we give CW full credit for coming up with the tanks all on his own ? Nothing justifies what he did and nothing his victims ever said, thought or did gives him a reason or the right to decide to end their lives and discard them.

Never did I say or imply he was justified. I wondered if her posts might have been used had the case went to trial.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I just want to give NUA a big hug.

And her son. That young man was so bravely persistent, following the officer to the back of the house trying to see in. You could tell he was worried and scared for SW and her children. Good, wonderful, loving people.

 

[Layla123]

Once CW is settled in his new home, he’ll have the means to commit suicide. A large facility doesn’t have the manpower to “babysit” a specific inmate.
The county jail wants to be sure high profile inmates are kept safe in order to stand trial.

Any of you think CW will take his own life?

I sure hope he gets a chance to really read that Bible of his before he does it, and provides a full and repentant explanation for the pain he’s caused.

 

[Trudie]

She didn't say she had only been in the basement.

Okay, thanks. I’ve read she stated she was only in the basement. Later, I’ll look for her statement.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I wonder if she was stalking the house and snooping around. I don´t think she had anything to do with the murders and I am sure she has been investigated. MOO.

Who would contact to help clean up? We know she wiped she devices clean, text lost. She's lied about so much. In her second interview she sure wanted help getting her data back, but got all snotty when pressed further about the children, and wanting to see her text.
She sure isn't being helpful getting to the bottom of things.
They keep trying to give her chances. Why is she fighting that?

 

[The Farm]

Please don’t distort my post. No one in their right mind can think S deserved her fate.

I understood your post and in no way were you saying it was SW's fault, I guess we all look at reply's differently.

 

[erik28]

She didn't say she had only been in the basement.

Okay, thanks. I’ve read she stated she was only in the basement. Later, I’ll look for her statement.

In one of her law enforcement interviews she talks about being in the livingroom while he cooked in the kitchen. I think it might have been on the 4th of July. In my random no-notes memory (IIRC)

 

[Charlot123]

She's "like" trying so "like" hard to remember.
I guess not remembering is very convenient for her at this time.

I seriously want to wash my mouth out with a big glass of whiskey.
She says "he wasn't like, the man of my dreams, BUT...". Yeah, so why have an affair with a married guy with KIDS and break his wife's heart?

It HURTS to be cheated on, especially when you're sick and pregnant and trying to keep your family together.

Children are not collateral damage for an adult's booty call.
They are little people who need stable parents.

All I can say is this selfish woman has been served a fat dollop of karma. Schadenfreude is what most are feeling.

I won't make any excuses for this home-wrecker. Look before you leap into an affair with a married man with a pregnant wife and two little kids. Her crocodile tears are for show. i.e. damage control.

MOO

Let us remember that NK herself never had kids.

People develop. Some love kids since childhood, babysit for kids, and may never have own kids yet love children. Some women never feel what “kids” are before they have their own. And I suspect NK belongs to the latter group.

She has a remote idea about CW's little girls. One wonders, however, if NK was attracted to CW because she felt he was a good father.

(Amber Frey used to be a party girl posing for nude photos. Being a single mom changed everything. In SP, AF saw a potential husband, but was cautious because she had a daughter. When SP stated he never wanted children and would rather have vasectomy, it raised her antennas. She started inquiring about SP with her friend, a policeman, because facts did not add up. Then she found out about Laci, his pregnant wife, and when compassion fully hit in. She had been there.)

And now, the other way to look at the Wattses' Greek tragedy. The two heroines, essentially, fight for same.

On one side, there is Shanann, strong, maternal emotionally warm, pregnant, ready to protect her family. She would have never divorced without the fight for Chris, whom she viewed as the greatest father.

On the other side, NK, cold and calculating, but, she, too, wants to be the mother. Her trap is honey-wired, but realistically, CW is a mediocre catch. She, however, considers him as potentially the father to her future kids, because he is so good to his girls.

And between these two women, there stands Chris. Tired of playing roles. He is the greatest father, the nicest coworker, the soft-spoken guy, the rock, the savior. IRL, he has enough of the kids. His love to Shanann has been worn thin by family life, with kids, money, family responsibility, nut allergies, treatments, and lunches. He wants romance and love. Flowers in the prairie signify the freedom to be with his new, exhilarating, childless libertine.

The irony of the situation - CW, in reality, is the horrible father. NK, behind all her free spirit veneer, is merely looking for the bourgeois life, with the wedding dress, a husband, kids and family. Only Shanann is true to herself.

 

[Layla123]

I think it's the way you "said" it. It sounded very derogatory to SW. And of course people are going to take into account your past posts.

People that have kept up know that SW said she was going to go home and hug CW. That she wasn't going to get into a discussion etc. So your post is in direct opposition of what we know SW said. So it probably hits people wrong when you make a post that is so opposite of what we know

I know what SW said, but that $62.00 restaurant tab happened the night before, and I believe it had to have been eating away at her because it sure would have been eating away at me. But I don’t know what happened, I was just trying to figure out a reason why CW could be so angry at her he could wrap his hands around her neck and strangle her for 5-6 minutes. I do think this was premeditated, but his plan was so stupid, I can’t understand how he ever thought he’d get away with it.