GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

[Mercedes]

Yeah... but if they do bust in and find something it will not be able to be used against CW. No warrant.

Delete.

 

[Trudie]

In regards to CW moved to Wisconsin prison, radaronline reported the following:

The source noted that Watts was flown to an airport in Madison, Wisconsin by authorities who transported him to the maximum-security prison.​

BBM, how does that work with prisoners? do they fly them on commercial planes or they have different planes and airports? One time I hard from a military veteran that they fly suspects hand cuffed at the back of the plane with few military personal around. Ever since I heard that I freaked out! I wonder if they did fly CW on a commercial plane and if any general public recognized him.

The feds must have used a chartered flight. There’s no pics of him strolling thru the DIA or Madison airport.
On a coomercisl flight the officers have to fill out quite a few forms re: weapon/inmate. They board first and do tend to sit in the rear. They deplane last. Usually only small town police departments will fly commercial with an inmate. Like if FL arrests someone on a warrant out of IN, the pd with the warrant either drives or catches a flight to retrieve the perp.
Again, no pics of CW in either airport makes me think they drove right up to the plane, detouring the airport.
According to Radar, he’s once again in the reception process, just a different state.
I’d love to see his commissary slip but can’t find it.

 

[Nikynoo]

Are you a CW fan ?

No, I am not. I am a fan, however, of looking at the discovery document objectively.
I am merely quoting the discovery document. Speculation, ignoring what is set out by several witness statements, changes the narrative.
CW is where he belongs.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think she was showing her maturity and her superiority complex. Silly silly girl, the best thing she can do is keep a low profile, have no contact with the media whatsoever and make a life for herself. She’s lucky she still has one !

I think her never being married and not having kids might have something to do with her behavior and maturity level. She had a job, paid rent, car payment and simple bills. Similar to that of a college student and that’s where her maturity stayed. Just my 2 cents.
jmo

 

[molly1255]

because the discovery document provides evidence in the form of witness statements.

We are talking about her marriage to CW, not her business, her friendships, or her basic personality type.

She may have handled the finances. She probably had to because he is an idiot and he's also very lazy. In addition to being an idiot, he's a complete fraud. No one controls an idiot who has his own agenda. He lets others think they are in control because that is how he manipulates others to get what he wants.

That's JMO.

 

[celticthyme]

If he had killed the girls before Shanann came home he would have had to load them in the truck immediately or the cadaver dogs would have caught a firm scent. IMO

I had the same thought, and that could have happened before SW came home. There was going to be a freak out no matter what. And would LE think to check for cadaverine in the truck?

 

[NuttMegg]

One time I hard from a military veteran that they fly suspects hand cuffed at the back of the plane with few military personal around.

Which would make going back to the coach bathroom a whole new experience. And waiting for the occupant to come out. Yuck.

 

[Thepoet]

because the discovery document provides evidence in the form of witness statements.

Which documents? Which witnesses? What did they say?

 

[Mellowmelly]

No, I am not. I am a fan, however, of looking at the discovery document objectively.
I am merely quoting the discovery document. Speculation, ignoring what is set out by several witness statements, changes the narrative.
CW is where he belongs.

Ok sorry, from your last post I took it as you were agreeing CW and his mother were both sweet hearted

 

[Layla123]

Yes. Also NK kept telling the officer that her friend Charlotte hadn't even "made the connection" yet that this CW guy who murdered his family was HER Chris. She repeated that over and over yet then he prompted her to read a few texts and Charlotte's text clearly stated she knew it was the same guy. But all NK wanted to talk about was how selfish her best friend Charlotte was being over her father dying. I think the officer was starting to lose a little patience over her continued repeating of Charlotte's feelings about her dad's passing.

It’s so interesting how we can listen to the same interview and hear something entirely different! I thought NK said Charlotte’s father just died, and she was so deeply in grief she didn’t have the capacity to take on NK’s problems, as well. However, I did read somewhere that someone said NK called Charlotte, “retarded.” I didn’t hear that. Did you hear that? I need to go back and listen. But 2 hours, ugh, but if NK did say that in a demeaning manner, that might change how I feel.

 

[Nikynoo]

Jersey.
Doesn't this sound sus?
Why would there be a search for the high dosage of Oxycodone?
Could there possibly be a thought/plan/idea to use this, as a means for murder???
MOO.

what is oxycodone? what is the last term in the search, is it 'will'? I can't quite make it out.

 

[tmar]

Hi all, first time poster. I’m so curious to know if SW’s family or friends saw red flags over the years. We ALL have different public/private personas, but clearly CW’s were abnormal & extreme. When SW’s parents stayed with them for extended periods of time, for example, was he able to hide his ugly? Did they see glimpses of the monster buried inside? Or was this a complete blindside?
I can’t seem to recall reading anything from friends, family, or coworkers until the weeks leading up to these unthinkable acts, that would question CW’s character or abilities as a human, husband or father. I am in no way saying this could have been prevented, I’m simply intrigued by how he could have hidden his true self for so long. It had to have been exhausting being him.
My heart aches for those 4 beautiful souls and their family and friends whose hearts are forever broken.

Welcome Lynchmob.
I also would love to have a list of traits to 'look out for' in such people.
I guess now, that this is out in the open, people will remember past times with CW, that may have alerted them to 'what he really is/what he is capable of'.

Conversations/outings/situations that were 'odd' may now be presented.
I hope we hear about these, as would help others, in the future, to look out for such folk.
MOO.

 

[Nikynoo]

Ok sorry, from your last post I took it as you were agreeing CW and his mother were both sweet hearted

No, that is what MJ stated in his statement. The whole sentence wasn't quoted in the previous post.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I respectfully disagree. I am a native Minnesotan and "houses that are so close and so cookie cutter are not upper middle class. They remind me more of housing projects in MN for low income". I'm not sure what community you are referring to but in cities like Eden Prairie you can find so-called "cookie cutter" - aka - houses that all look similar inside with a different elevation on the exterior, that have a price tag of ~$750,000. In the NW suburbs there are "cookie cutter" homes being built by Lennar which are being sold for at LEAST $400k. These have built ins. They have landscaped yards. They have crown moulding. They ARE part of the upper middle class real estate market here in MN.

I’m a Minnesota girl. It all depends on location. MN is a large state geographically and it varies across the state.
jmo

 

[Trudie]

I’m just going to say I think she was a basket case and not thinking clearly, but I can understand why you think the way you do. The detective suggested she move out of state where the case wouldn’t get as much publicity, but he was wrong about that. Everybody knows and everybody hates her, all across the USA, for being a home wrecker. Me, I think she believed CW’s lies, but it feels like I’m the only one who does.

I think she’s a basket case and been so all her life. I don’t “hate” her, I don’t know her. I do think she was wrong to become so involved with a married man, to be in the marital home, driving the wife’s car and so forth.
I did start disliking her after learning of her internet searches.
As far as the publicity, she apparently wanted a book deal. But she shouldn’t have much to reveal. I guess an editor could compile her texts and police interviews. What more is there? If she lies or sensationalizes, I think the cops might come knocking again.
This case will soon die down, another will capture the media’s attention. No one will care about NK. She will move on, there’s another man waiting, I’m certain. Hopefully, he’s single.

 

[riolove77]

That is not what was happening at THAT time. They were 'missing' and could have gone for a walk, left in general, etc
Who's life was at risk?

NUA was concerned that SW was having a medical emergency since she was pregnant, had low blood sugar the prior evening, and hadn’t been feeling well. She did not just think they were missing at that moment.

 

[Nikynoo]

We are talking about her marriage to CW, not her business, her friendships, or her basic personality type.

She may have handled the finances. She probably had to because he is an idiot and he's also very lazy. In addition to being an idiot, he's a complete fraud. No one controls an idiot who has his own agenda. He lets others think they are in control because that is how he manipulates others to get what he wants.

That's JMO.

oh come on! Have you actually read through the discovery documents? CW certainly wasn't lazy, he pulled his weight helping around the home and with the girls.
I get the need to demonise him, but it should at least be factual.

 

[celticthyme]

In regards to CW moved to Wisconsin prison, radaronline reported the following:

The source noted that Watts was flown to an airport in Madison, Wisconsin by authorities who transported him to the maximum-security prison.​

BBM, how does that work with prisoners? do they fly them on commercial planes or they have different planes and airports? One time I hard from a military veteran that they fly suspects hand cuffed at the back of the plane with few military personal around. Ever since I heard that I freaked out! I wonder if they did fly CW on a commercial plane and if any general public recognized him.

Looks like he is in the DOC in Portage, Wisconsin

 

[x_files]

Had he waited to do this Monday, after work, he could have cleaned, fielded her texts, maybe grilled a steak, called NK, etc.
Perhaps, as suggested, Bella saw something. Maybe she screamed and he attempted to stifle her, going too far.
So might as well kill C.
If he could have buried S and called his boss that he wasn’t feeling well or...., he prob could have made it back home before the kids were up.
Then his “oh she left me, we had an emotional convo”, would come into play.
Per NK, he planned to have an apartment large enough to accommodate the kids.

Does LE suspect sexual abuse of the girls?

 

[wilsodh]

Agree with this 100%, I am betting CW has a very low IQ.

I agree Chris was not especially bright and probably has a below average IQ. Beyond choosing an unthinkable option to deal with his family situation, his actions in the crime were incredibly stupid and short-sighted.

Regarding whether he is a narcissist, I'm no psychologist, but I would assume there is a spectrum of narcissistic behavior, and a narcissist classification would be one more of degree. I thought this was a helpful non-professional look at the common traits of narcissism (from Psychology Today):

Psychologist Stephen Johnson writes that the narcissist is someone who has “buried his true self-expression in response to early injuries and replaced it with a highly developed, compensatory false self.” This alternate persona to the real self often comes across as grandiose, “above others,” self-absorbed, and highly conceited. In our highly individualistic and externally driven society, mild to severe forms of narcissism are not only pervasive but often encouraged.

Narcissism is often interpreted in popular culture as a person who’s in love with him or herself. It is more accurate to characterize the pathological narcissist as someone who’s in love with an idealized self-image, which they project in order to avoid feeling (and being seen as) the real, disenfranchised, wounded self. Deep down, most pathological narcissists feel like the “ugly duckling,” even if they painfully don’t want to admit it.

How do you know when you’re dealing with a narcissist? The following are some telltale signs. While most of us are guilty of some of the following behaviors at one time or another, a pathological narcissist tends to dwell habitually in several of the following personas, while remaining largely unaware of (or unconcerned with) how his or her actions affect others.

1. Conversation Hoarder. The narcissist loves to talk about him or herself, and doesn’t give you a chance to take part in a two-way conversation. You struggle to have your views and feelings heard. When you do get a word in, if it’s not in agreement with the narcissist, your comments are likely to be corrected, dismissed, or ignored.

2. Conversation Interrupter. While many people have the poor communication habit of interrupting others, the narcissist interrupts and quickly switches the focus back to herself. He shows little genuine interest in you.

3. Rule Breaker. The narcissist enjoys getting away with violating rules and social norms, such as cutting in line, chronic under-tipping (some will overtip to show off), stealing office supplies, breaking multiple appointments, or disobeying traffic laws.

4. Boundary Violator. Shows wanton disregard for other people’s thoughts, feelings, possessions, and physical space. Oversteps and uses others without consideration or sensitivity. Borrows items or money without returning. Breaks promises and obligations repeatedly. Shows little remorse and blames the victim for one’s own lack of respect.

5. False Image Projection. Many narcissists like to do things to impress others by making themselves look good externally. This “trophy” complex can exhibit itself physically, romantically, sexually, socially, religiously, financially, materially, professionally, academically, or culturally. In these situations, the narcissist uses people, objects, status, and/or accomplishments to represent the self, substituting for the perceived, inadequate “real” self. These grandstanding “merit badges” are often exaggerated. The underlying message of this type of display is: “I’m better than you!” or “Look at how special I am—I’m worthy of everyone’s love, admiration, and acceptance!”

6. Entitlement. Narcissists often expect preferential treatment from others. They expect others to cater (often instantly) to their needs, without being considerate in return. In their mindset, the world revolves around them.

7. Charmer. Narcissists can be very charismatic and persuasive. When they’re interested in you (for their own gratification), they make you feel very special and wanted. However, once they lose interest in you (most likely after they’ve gotten what they want, or became bored), they may drop you without a second thought. A narcissist can be very engaging and sociable, as long as you’re fulfilling what she desires, and giving her all of your attention.

8. Grandiose Personality. Thinking of oneself as a hero or heroine, a prince or princess, or one of a kind special person. Some narcissists have an exaggerated sense of self-importance, believing that others cannot live or survive without his or her magnificent contributions.

9. Negative Emotions. Many narcissists enjoy spreading and arousing negative emotions to gain attention, feel powerful, and keep you insecure and off-balance. They are easily upset at any real or perceived slights or inattentiveness. They may throw a tantrum if you disagree with their views, or fail to meet their expectations. They are extremely sensitive to criticism, and typically respond with heated argument (fight) or cold detachment (flight). On the other hand, narcissists are often quick to judge, criticize, ridicule, and blame you. Some narcissists are emotionally abusive. By making you feel inferior, they boost their fragile ego, and feel better about themselves.

10. Manipulation: Using Others as an Extension of Self. Making decisions for others to suit one’s own needs. The narcissist may use his or her romantic partner, child, friend, or colleague to meet unreasonable self-serving needs, fulfill unrealized dreams, or cover up self-perceived inadequacies and flaws.

Another way narcissists manipulate is through guilt, such as proclaiming, “I’ve given you so much, and you’re so ungrateful,” or, “I’m a victim—you must help me or you’re not a good person.” They hijack your emotions, and beguile you to make unreasonable sacrifices.​

I don't have enough input on Chris' normal behavior to get a good feel of where he falls on the narcissist spectrum. Among those of you who have delved into this case deeper then I, what do you think?

Dave

 

[MsBetsy]

We know that he was in touch with the Watts family, because Mrs Watts rang him to tell him about the nut cident.
How strange is that?

I believe that family did everything they could to get people to hear their side. Even total strangers believed his story, even though there was not one shred of evidence and it was preposterous! Imo