GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #67

[cybervampira]

I think you could be right, she could be in danger if someone unhinged takes a dislike to her for her actions. And I think a lot of people, here and elsewhere have taken a dislike to her, myself included, not just for having an affair with a married man but for her blasé attitude throughout her police interviews after the murders. She did herself no favours. Unfortunately she decided to break up a seemingly happy home and marriage, although the blame ultimately lies with CW for that, he is the one that was married and cheating. Let this be a big lesson to her, play with fire and you will get burned, she has to suffer the consequences.

You are right, you can not break up a happy home unless the cheating spouse has no free will. It’s not that men are braindead zombies one can string along. NK certainly didn’t anticipate a family being annihilated. Her attitude doesn’t sit right with me, I‘m with you, and there is no reason not to criticize that. But to wish her suffering all kinds of consequences?

I understand people being emotional and all that, but is it too much to hope that everybody keeps a sense of proportion?

 

[molly1255]

Well, I don't agree that there is that much "hate" directed towards her, especially here. I've never seen that word even mentioned here in relation to NK.

I agree and in what I posted earlier is not hatred toward NK. It's the reality of the world we live in and I've lived in it long enough to know that people who show no regard or compassion toward others and who act only in their own self-interests do not fare very well in decent society once they are found out.

That doesn't mean she has to spend the rest of her life in hiding and being disliked. I can think of at least one thing she could do to help redeem herself and that is to educate women on the many reasons to avoid becoming involved with a married man.

I think there is also a lot of room, using Shanann as an example, to explain the horrible position of the unknowing betrayed wives and the many dangers they face, and the dangers the betrayed children face as well. Murder is one example, but there are many kinds of damage suffered by those who are completely innocent and unknowing. They are living a lie and they don't even know it.

That would take a lot of courage to do, and a lot of self-reflection, IMO. But I think using herself as an example might prove to be helpful to others.

JMO

 

[rogue ant]

I wholeheartedly agree. My husband didn't and isn't following this story like I do, and if said her name or showed him a picture right now of NK, he'd have no clue who she is.

Same here. He doesn't know her name of what she looks like. I've mentioned the case several times but her name or face wouldn't register.

 

[Mellowmelly]

I agree and in what I posted earlier is not hatred toward NK. It's the reality of the world we live in and I've lived in it long enough to know that people who show no regard or compassion toward others and who act only in their own self-interests do not fare very well in decent society once they are found out.

That doesn't mean she has to spend the rest of her life in hiding and being disliked. I can think of at least one thing she could do to help redeem herself and that is to educate women on the many reasons to avoid becoming involved with a married man.

I think there is also a lot of room, using Shanann as an example, to explain the horrible position of the unknowing betrayed wives and the many dangers they face, and the dangers the betrayed children face as well. Murder is one example, but there are many kinds of damage suffered by those who are completely innocent and unknowing. They are living a lie and they don't even know it.

That would take a lot of courage to do, and a lot of self-reflection, IMO. But I think using herself as an example might prove to be helpful to others.

JMO

I agree, even if she just put out some kind of public announcement to say how sorry she was for the loss of four lives and how much she regrets getting involved with CW. I think people would have more sympathy for her if she showed a little more compassion.people make mistakes, it’s part of being human and I’m sure she would be forgiven for that.

 

[Doghairrules]

Shout out to Gardener & Cyber (if I may be so bold as to use your first names) for showing us all, myself included, how to have a civil disagreement.

 

[Mellowmelly]

You are right, you can not break up a happy home unless the cheating spouse has no free will. It’s not that men are braindead zombies one can string along. NK certainly didn’t anticipate a family being annihilated. Her attitude doesn’t sit right with me, I‘m with you, and there is no reason not to criticize that. But to wish her suffering all kinds of consequences?

I understand people being emotional and all that, but is it too much to hope that everybody keeps a sense of proportion?

No, a person who cheats has to want to cheat in the first place and if it hadn’t been NK, it would have been some other woman.

 

[Gardenista]

Jailbird Chris Watts Pigging Out On Brownies, Donuts & Cookies Behind Bars

 

[Mellowmelly]

Or if she hooks up with another CW -like man again.

I hope it’ll be a few years until she even thinks about dating again and dating single men only !

 

[Mellowmelly]

Jailbird Chris Watts Pigging Out On Brownies, Donuts & Cookies Behind Bars

Oh dear, he’ll be piling on the pounds again

 

[BelleIsle]

Yes, psychopaths (to stay with the FBI profiler‘s diagnosis) want those they can use to like them, but they don‘t do it for the praise like narcs do, it’s more a necessity. Psychopaths love power but they do not depend on being liked. They both can be charming, and they both can be prolific liars, but a psychopath couldn’t care less what others think of them. They wouldn’t sit in the interview room crying and begging not to bring coworkers to Cervi. They wouldn’t start shaking and acting nervous, watching the neighbor’s surveillance tape. Psychopaths don’t experience fear. A narcissist does once there is a threat he is exposed, and that’s exactly what happened with CW. If you want to see a real psychopath, look at Drew Peterson.

I don’t know how you see BPD/sociopathic tendencies in NK. From what I’ve seen, she may be a lil‘ neurotic and self-centered, but that’s just my impression.

I was married to a sociopath, see my many earlier posts. We did extensive therapy together. I also have a very close family member who was a psychology major.

Trust me, they can seem as if they care, if only because they need this to get what they want. They will show whatever emotion is necessary to achieve the reaction they are craving. My ex cried many crocodile tears. Sociopaths can get nervous, CW showed it because he was caught off guard.

I recognize the BPD in her mannerisms, body language, speech patterns and of course, her words and actions.

ETA an FYI for anyone, Sociopaths, especially practiced ones, can even fool (manipulate, charm, persuade) an average therapist. You need to find a certified clinical psych, who is very experienced with this type of personality disorder.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It’s just the impression I get when reading some of the comments. And the Facebook group titles speak for themselves. Just sayin' she absolutely has reason to fear some nutjob will come after her. Is that enough to be in a Federal witness protection program? Noooooo! But the minute she hears something around the house or feels someone is following her (real or not), LE would be negligent not to provide some sort of protection.

IMO, the only thing bothering her in the coming years will be her conscience, which is a good sign, she at least feels something. I could detect guilt in her interviews, and it's not because she had anything to do with these horrific murders but she was involved with the man who was.

I really don't believe she's going to be spat at or called names in the street or her life endangered by these enraged people from fb hate pages. It's a sign of the times, enraged folk is actually a new phenomena, I've seen a program about it, folks get on twitter/fb and write threatening words against a person, especially sports people, crazy stuff, and then, they move onto the next. CW deserves every bit of hate until the end of his days.
I don't care to talk about NK except in reference to things CW told her.

Two things spring to mind, NK referring to Shanann, 'that girl was always on her phone!' and CW meticulously vacuuming the house? Did he tell her this or did she witness it when she was at his home supposedly only twice?
She speaks like she knew Shanann, which is worrying to me, was it a hate fest between her and CW against Shanann? I get the whole, 'my wife doesn't understand me or we're not compatible', but if he spent a lot of time bagging out Shanann and the girls and NK helped it along, I can understand the guilt she must be feeling.

She spoke for over 5 hours with CW on the night of August 13 but she won't reveal one thing they spoke about (except the 2min facetime call where she noticed the mattress), anyway, she has to live with this knowledge, I don't envy her. She will survive and everyone will forget her come the new year.

 

[k-mac]

You are right, you can not break up a happy home unless the cheating spouse has no free will. It’s not that men are braindead zombies one can string along. NK certainly didn’t anticipate a family being annihilated. Her attitude doesn’t sit right with me, I‘m with you, and there is no reason not to criticize that. But to wish her suffering all kinds of consequences?

I understand people being emotional and all that, but is it too much to hope that everybody keeps a sense of proportion?

the problem with NK for most of us imo is chris and NK were 50/50 contributers and cohabitators in this mess.
we all know what a chris is and he is being punished accordingly for doing the unthinkable.

NK's self indulgent ramblings, lying to investigators deliberately, her lack of empathy, showing zero signs of owning a situation she is equal in creating, her clear jealousy of shanann do not deserve in turn our empathy for the situation she finds herself.
she has contributed significantly to the mental breakdown of chris and subsequently the path he chose to be with her.
she has not been punished at all for the controlling pressure toward chris we have now established as true.

she has walked away alive, no criminal charges, a new job and a new life and a new man will follow.
think she should be pretty damn grateful personally.

moo

 

[mickey2942]

Jailbird Chris Watts Pigging Out On Brownies, Donuts & Cookies Behind Bars

Disgusting. He is getting "love letters from women". WTH?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/6abc.c...ters-to-convicted-killer-chris-watts/4928967/

There is actually a diagnosis for this.

Prison Brides: ‘Hybristophilia’ And Women Who Fall In Love With REALLY Bad Boys

Beyond comprehension.

 

[cybervampira]

I was married to a sociopath, see my many earlier posts. We did extensive therapy together. I also have a very close family member who was a psychology major.

Trust me, they can seem as if they care, if only because they need this to get what they want. They will show whatever emotion is necessary to achieve the reaction they are craving. My ex cried many crocodile tears. Sociopaths can get nervous, CW showed it because he was caught off guard.

I recognize the BPD in her mannerisms, body language, speech patterns and of course, her words and actions.

Get ya. A sociopath is not exactly the same as a psychopath. You are right about everything you say about a sociopath. A sociopath can form bonds, a psychopath lacks that ability completely. A psychopath is not driven too much by impulses, is very organized, calm and calculating. Everything a psychopath does is planned. For example: they would act out if they want to reach a certain goal, but not because they ”feel like it“. A sociopath can get nervous and feel anxiety, a psychopath can’t. And there is no therapy for a psychopath. In fact, studies show they tend to get worse after therapy because they take it as a lesson to learn how to manipulate even better.

That is not to say sociopaths are the nicer psychopaths. They, along with narcissists, share similar traits. Anything to do with the so called dark triade or Cluster B is not a joke, and I‘d advise anyone to run, run, run if they see red flags. They can cause a great amount of damage, even severe PTSD.

CW may have sociopathic traits but a psychopath is something else. That‘s why I was stunned the FBI profiler thought he was a psychopath, at the same time saying his gestures were self-soothing. Doesn’t fit the bill.

I hope you are in a better place now without your ex.

 

[BelleIsle]

Get ya. A sociopath is not exactly the same as a psychopath. You are right about everything you say about a sociopath. A sociopath can form bonds, a psychopath lacks that ability completely. A psychopath is not driven too much by impulses, is very organized, calm and calculating. Everything a psychopath does is planned. For example: they would act out if they want to reach a certain goal, but not because they ”feel like it“. A sociopath can get nervous and feel anxiety, a psychopath can’t. And there is no therapy for a psychopath. In fact, studies show they tend to get worse after therapy because they take it as a lesson to learn how to manipulate even better.

That is not to say sociopaths are the nicer psychopaths. They, along with narcissists, share similar traits. Anything to do with the so called dark triade or Cluster B is not a joke, and I‘d advise anyone to run, run, run if they see red flags. They can cause a great amount of damage, even severe PTSD.

CW may have sociopathic traits but a psychopath is something else. That‘s why I was stunned the FBI profiler thought he was a psychopath, at the same time saying his gestures were self-soothing. Doesn’t fit the bill.

I hope you are in a better place now without your ex.

I see CW as a sociopath with some narcissistic tendencies, IMO a lot of who he became was "nurture" and a small amount of "nature".

Thank you, I definitely am!

 

[scdiv]

Jailbird Chris Watts Pigging Out On Brownies, Donuts & Cookies Behind Bars

Thank you for posting this! Omg 3 boxes of holiday cookies! Also of note from the article - he has made zero phone calls. Sorry, mom. He also purchased paper and pens. Probably to write back to all those super stable, totally non-head case, amazingly coherent admirers of his! (jmo )

 

[mtnlites]

I was referring to NK getting threads. I don’t dispute that SW was attacked. There are similar Facebook groups and posters who make her responsible for being a victim of a terrible crime, and it’s despicable. But how does that justify the hate directed toward NK?

It doesn't justify it, but it is certainly not unique. There is nothing special or new happening to NK that hasn't happened to others in the past.

Radar buys information. NK herself could have sold them that story in an attempt to stay relevant or to paint herself as a victim. She was Googling whether people liked Amber Frey even before her own name was released. I don't believe this story; I think it is just part of the narrative that she is writing for herself.

 

[cybervampira]

Jailbird Chris Watts Pigging Out On Brownies, Donuts & Cookies Behind Bars

I see what he‘s doing! He‘s baking a correctional birthday cake for his bubba!

This seemingly sweet treat is made of Oreos, peanut butter and M&Ms. Separating the Oreos, inmates crush the cookie part and mold it with water to create the layers of cake. The Oreo’s interior is used for icing. Peanut butter creates another layer of icing, and M&Ms are used to top the whole thing off.

 

[molly1255]

You are right, you can not break up a happy home unless the cheating spouse has no free will. It’s not that men are braindead zombies one can string along. NK certainly didn’t anticipate a family being annihilated. Her attitude doesn’t sit right with me, I‘m with you, and there is no reason not to criticize that. But to wish her suffering all kinds of consequences?

I understand people being emotional and all that, but is it too much to hope that everybody keeps a sense of proportion?

No one here appears to be wishing her to suffer all kinds of consequences. The fact of the matter is there were always going to be consequences for NK in terms of her relationship with CW. She didn't think he'd murder his entire family, but even if he hadn't, and she ended up marrying CW, she would have had consequences.

She would have suffered rejection in many social situations because she was an AP and people don't move past that very easily. That would have been hanging over her head her entire life and she would have had people talking about her behind her back and judging her.

She would have had three stepchildren who very likely would have despised her. They would have taken up CW's weekends, holidays, etc. and they would have been very expensive.

She may have hoped love would conquer all, but the big thing is, CW isn't capable of loving anyone except himself. She would have found that out in time and been in the hell Shanann was in before she was murdered.

She asked CW why he would not work on his marriage to Shanann because they had a beautiful life. Yes, they did. But it wasn't real because CW isn't a real person. That's the risk women run when they have affairs with married men, IMO. Married men who cheat tend to have a huge sense of entitlement and they cannot be pleased in the long run.

JMO

 

[molly1255]

No, a person who cheats has to want to cheat in the first place and if it hadn’t been NK, it would have been some other woman.

I agree. She was the one who took his bait.