GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[tmar]

After listening to the interview last night, I believe he's still living in a fantasy world.

Nightly reading Cece's favorite book to the his deceased daughters, Belle and Cece. Really!


Explains to the agents that the convicts in his pod are all in protective custody for informing on other inmates, or being sex offenders. The inmates are aware of his crimes but essentially leave him alone.

He then goes on about eventually being moved into general population and being allowed a job working in the kitchen, starting out by washing dishes, or perhaps in the library.

I hope this creep never gets to the stage, of working in the prison, mixing with others, 'enjoying' his stay.
Surely, Karma must be round the corner.
MOO.

 

[nwmouse]

When CW mentioned the fight they had in NC while they were still dating to show how 'fiery' SW was, he was really giving away more about himself by saying he slammed the door and got angry with her, IMO.
Apparently he was getting texts from an ex gf and SW confronted him about that.
It just goes to show you how he is easygoing on the surface until someone gets in the way of what he wants.
In my experience, people who stay in contact with their ex's (when kids aren't involved) are more likely to be cheaters.
A typical cheater would have also wanted to take full advantage of the wife and kids being away like CW did.
So I seriously doubt that NK was his first affair, although she was clearly the one he became obsessed with.

I don't know if CW cheated on SW before his affair with NK, but what we do know is he was pudgy, unremarkable and appeared to have the sex appeal of a snail (in the video of him stammering about how to keep a marriage together).

He also admits in his interview that he wasn't popular in high school, although he wasn't bullied. He was just dull and forgettable, and girls didn't notice him. Shanann was his first real relationship.

Its only recently that he lost the weight, got fit and buff, and started taking care of his appearance, and with that I think he got more attention from women. He was obviously flattered by the attention and when NK came along and waggled her booty at him, he ran after her like a male dog. Ugh.

 

[PommyMommy]

HEAR IT: Chris Watts says he blamed daughters’ murders on pregnant wife Shanann Watts because he thought his family would believe it [AUDIO]
[...]

“I told them I pled guilty for a reason,” Watts told investigators about conversations with his family about entering into a plea arrangement, adding that his family said they felt he was “railroaded” into it. Watts indicated that his parents believed Watts did not kill his daughters, and that they did not think prosecutors had enough evidence to convict him at a murder trial.

Watts said his parents still sometimes tell him to “fight it,” and revealed in the interview that he was not planning on telling his parents the full story until they visited him in prison this coming spring.

[...]

Watts also seemed concerned about protecting his parents from the truth, and indicated he was motivated to pin the blame for the children’s death on his wife in part because he thought his family would buy that story.

“I knew they would probably believe it… because my mom and my sister just never really liked Shanann,” Watts is heard saying in the audio recording of the February interview, as the investigators press him for confirmation.

[...]

“One of the reasons we are here, we keep telling ourselves, Chris just does not fit the mold,” one of the agents is heard saying in the audio recording.

The investigators asked several questions about Watts’s use of the “Thrive” nutrition and fitness patches that he was using at the time of the deaths, and tell him that they have others say they suspect Nichol Kessinger, Watts’s mistress, may have been involved somehow in the murders.

Watts denied that Kessinger put him up to the murders in any way, while admitting that the Thrive patches seemed to have a strong effect on him.

 

[gitana1]

He said he was contemplating the children's fate as he drove?

What exactly was he going to tell them as he buried SW?

What was he going to tell coworkers that arrived why he had his children with him?

His story is bs.

He had it all planned out. He knew those girls would fit the pipe.

He was a mechanic and they know by training and sight how things fit. He could have even measured to be sure.

When he killed the children, who knows.

I agree with all. Except his account of driving his live children to the Cervi site and killing them there sounds very real. I'm certain it is true.

They were mostly quiet on the drive, hugging each other, alternately lying on each other laps and perhaps dozing here and there. They commented on the smell. People say their kids would have been screaming hysterically but I don't believe that's necessarily true. In accounts I've read where there have been survivors, the kids have acted quite like these two. Carmina Salcido is one that pops into my mind. They sense the danger. They know something is very wrong. They may go into self-preservation mode and become very still.

In any event, when they arrived at the site, he dragged out their mother. Bella asked him what he was doing to mommy. He then came and suffocated Cece with her blanket as Bella silently watched, scared and confused. He took her body out of the truck and pushed her inside the oil tank. He came back. Bella asked him what happened to Cece and if he was going to do the same to her. He said "I don't recall what I said to her. If I was a horrible person and said 'yes'." His voice got soft there when he said he couldn't recall if he said that. That indicates to me that he indeed said "yes". Bella next said, "No, Daddy!" in her soft voice, as he came for her with Cece's blanket. She thrashed her head from side to side and groaned as he suffocated her.

It's horrible, very detailed and sounds real. The shadows do support his story.

He planned this but it may not have been as easy as he thought it would be. I think he felt adrenaline and maybe some euphoria while killing his wife. After, he was shaking as he said. Probably because it was intense and due to the adrenaline.

I think it is possible that he slightly dissociated in order to murder his daughters. He was determined to start new with NK, who didn't want a guy with kids. And while he doesn't feel like a normal human, I think he had some feelings for his kids. So what would seem improbable normally to me (that he would risk taking live kids with their mom's corpse to his work site), it seems that is indeed what he did. He was probably just delaying the "inevitable" a bit but he also probably really wanted to get away from the initial murder scene as quickly as possible.

 

[gitana1]

I feel like CW never progressed passed the object permanence stage in toddlerhood. He mentioned that if SW wasn't gone for 6 weeks this probably wouldn't have happened and i actually agree with this. (By no means am i placing blame on her!)
In his mind, he can only think about what is right in front of him. I also think he never developed proper communication skills and that's why he always went along with everything. It was far easier for him to murder his entire family then have a difficult conversation with SW. (I still dont think he told her he wasn't in love with her anymore).
Then he was in fight or flight mode afterwards and so easily kept his emotions in check. (He had checked out).
Im just wondering what happened to him that made him stop developing at a young age?
Perhaps it has to do with Mama Watts making all his decisions for him that he didn't have to learn these skills. I don't know.. but he is definitely not right.

BBM. Best explanation yet. No one can explain it better than that!!!

 

[gitana1]

It's weird, I always assumed someone who commits such heinous crimes would be a manipulative person. On the contrary, he is the type of person that is easily manipulated by others. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone so readily manipulated and so suggestible. Maybe it's just his dishonesty in the interviews that magnifies it.

From his mom to the dynamic he had with his wife, to the mistress, to the interrogators, he's practically begging to be manipulated and controlled, and he constantly expresses his own self-imposed lack of agency. He claims he doesn't have control over his own circumstances. Consistent with this, he never could muster up the balls to actually admit to his affair. It's hard to dig out the lies and half truths from the true statements but his going back and forth about this issue makes itseem to me he never really did admit it, he just "knew she knew" and she was possibly accusing him when she got home (due to the lazy dog). But he couldn't take control and admit it and deal with it. The murder is him running away from the circumstances that he himself brought on but he himself thinks he is powerless to change. (If only I said yes to the Broncos game, it would have changed my trajectory). Truly sickening individual.

If he was raised by a narcissist his identity was annihilated. He wasn't allowed to develop one. (Many kids will despite this but some are successfully annihilated, it appears). So how can a person who doesn't fully exist make decisions, or know what he feels, or feel anything at all?

That's why I think he was so obsessed with NK - he felt something strong, which was likely super unusual for him. It was lust and he was willing to kill his whole family for that. For the ability to feel something.

 

[gitana1]

Yah I always assumed that was the case, That is a pretty well known technique by Investigators. Try to get the accused to admit to something that they see as a lesser crime, then you can start to chip away at their story.

In this case Investigators tried to get him to admit that it wasn't SR that killed the girls, but he stuck with it and they couldn't get him to break any further at that point.


MOO

And they really wanted to find the bodies because they they would have him no matter what nonsensical story he told.

It was quite clear they gave him the idea. When the Watts apologists saw that, it should've immediately squelched the preposterous "Shanann did it" narrative.

 

[cocomod]

I haven't listened to the interview yet, but read some of the summary. I also haven't made it through everyone's theories. But, IMHO, he killed Shanann in her sleep. She didn't fight back. IF he sat on top of her for a conversation, it was after her death. I just think that like all narcissists, there are lies mixed in with the truth.

I agree with other posters that say that this was planned. He found that living without his wife and children while they were away was easy. He didn't feel anything for them while they were gone; just like leaving his parents. He acts like he can only have one relationship at a time. Like, since he now had a relationship with NK, he could move on and away from his relationship with Shanann. He acts like marrying Shanann, since his mother didn't approve, he was able to walk away from his parents.

He is not normal - IMHO. DUH - well obviously since he killed his pregnant wife and his beautiful girls.

The thing that infuriates me to no end is the people out there still trying to defend him and refusing to see him for what he is. There are complete strangers on social media that have been bashing Shanann since the beginning, believing that she killed the girls (just because he said so), and now that he admits he killed them, they are still blaming Shanann. It is because she was "such a horrible wife". Whhhhaaaaatttt?? This infuriates me! How can anyone excuse what this monster has done? Divorce exists for a reason. Besides, killing his babies shows that this was all about him and his wants.

 

[gitana1]

His parents and family noticed but didn't think anything of it because that's where he inherited his generics. They perceived him as normal, he fit right in.
Now, his teachers, schoolmates or previous gf most likely noticed red flags and just dismissed them.

I would love to know what they saw. You are probably right. But those who have talked about him, like his high school teacher and college roommate, indicate he was quiet but normal. I wonder if more things are coming to them now.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

So tomorrow I have a free day to listen to the full interview, the Rzucek’s sound like such amazing people. CW really did have it all, beautiful wife, beautiful kids, beautiful home, the perfect in laws, holidays, everything most men could ever wish for. And he literally snuffed them all out one by one.

I think he saved Bella for last because she was the one who’d woke up and disturbed his sick plan, she was the one who made him have to act quick and change what he had planned, so I think he was angry at her. I don’t think he loved those girls towards the end, they were just an obstacle between him and NK, and he probably saw Shanann in them which fired his rage towards them once he’d killed Shanann.


I believe he was experiencing Splitting, unable to see all the good in Shanann yet to him NK had no flaws she was perfect.
He cut the kids off emotionally because he saw his life with them as ‘black’ he reminded himself of all the little things each one of them did that he didn’t like, where as with NK it was all ‘white’ he could only see the best in her, he had a fantasy of building a new life and family with her that snowballed so far that it was all he could think about. Yet the whole time ignoring Shanann’s calls, the more she tried to get him to work on their relationship the more enraged he felt, he began to think why couldn’t she just disappear then he could be with NK.
He was that infatuated by her that he probably didn’t even miss his own children, he’d almost forgotten they existed when suddenly they were back. He realised he couldn’t keep the affair going at the speed it was while Shanannn was working and he had the girls. He realised it would be even harder to keep pleasing NK when Nico arrived. And then the credit card transaction happened, which I think could be another trigger. He knew Shanann would be on to him, he didn’t want to be exposed as a liar and a cheat and he didn’t want any reminders of Shanann who he’d grown to despise because the only person he wanted was NK. Once he paid that bill on his card it flicked a switch somewhere in his brain he suddenly didn’t care anymore whether Shanann knew or not because he decided to kill her and I believe the next morning was when he woke up and knew what he was going to do, he was filled with adrenaline making plans all day, then those plans had to change when Bella walked in.

I still will never know how he managed to drive his own daughters to their deaths for 40 minutes then murder them one by one it’s unfathomable and he deserves to rot, in hell when he gets there.
MOO

 

[gitana1]

They are awesome. Tammy in particular has perfected the art of disarming. I think in reality she's a total ninja warrior, but she knows how to put on the warm, friendly, I'm-not-here to judge persona. It is fascinating to listen to her at work. One thing I really like is that she does not miss any opportunity to pounce and ask the question she's really getting at. She does a whole lot of small talk, nodding, sympathizing, merely asking - and then cuts to the chase of what she wants to know, in a way so subtle that CW doesn't realize what he's walking right into.

Yeah. It's incredible. I'm in awe listening.

 

[x_files]

You might be right, but I'll bet he gets lots of adoring fan mail from this and he will want to talk again. You know, to satisfy his fans. Ugh.

barf

 

[ab01]

And they really wanted to find the bodies because they they would have him no matter what nonsensical story he told.

It was quite clear they gave him the idea. When the Watts apologists saw that, it should've immediately squelched the preposterous "Shanann did it" narrative.

Yah I absolutely agree!

 

[x_files]

I think working up the courage. Christian Longo talks about how smothering his first daughter was so horrid that he couldn’t smother the other two so he drowned them. The point being these monsters still have a few emotions. I do not think there was any rage or snapping other than him being enraged they were home and interfering with his affair.

and drowning is easier, better? wth...

 

[x_files]

Exactly. He gives accidental clues in his confession to premeditation but he can't bring himself to ever admit that. So yes, he would have given a BS answer or just said he doesn't remember. I find it tragic that it is the last photo uploaded on SW's FB page. Ironically, I didn't think much about it until CW's own father made a big show of it the second he heard CW's first confession...so clearly people close to the girls thought it was completely out of character for them to do. That it was taken with CW's phone - is just too chilling to consider. While I think it was all completely pre-planned to happen that night, I didn't think he would have it in him to play with her like that. It's just sick beyond what he has done to purposely enjoy a preview picture like that. Maybe he didn't. I guess we will never know the extent of his ill brain.

so creepy

 

[Heaven Leigh]

I'm thankful how most all the questions were covered that so many have wondered about. They did an awesome job.

 

[PPowell]

I think he's still trying to blame his wife for him killing her and two small children. I don't think he told her he was having an affair or wanted to split.
I also think role of woman he was seeing at work was over emphasised. Did he not have his own mind and able to make decisions about who he saw?
He had been on dating websites seeing different people before he was with woman from his work. He had it in his mind for a while. He was telling people from dating websites his wife knew they were separated.
I think Shanann was as unknowing about him seeing other people when she died, as when she was texting friends before that she thought there might still be hope for their marriage.
It's evil to kill his pregnant wife, but even worse to tell her he's seeing another and wanted to split after telling her that he wanted a son before

 

[x_files]

I would love to know what they saw. You are probably right. But those who have talked about him, like his high school teacher and college roommate, indicate he was quiet but normal. I wonder if more things are coming to them now.

Many people do not like to discuss this with the media, it links them to a gruesome crime. Most would prefer to say nothing, stay out of the limelight.

 

[PPowell]

I'm thankful how most all the questions were covered that so many have wondered about. They did an awesome job.

I didn't hear them asking him about being on dating websites for a while, or about if he really saw men as well as women.
If he was unsure about his sexuality it might provide answers.
I think he was just using woman at his work. Telling her if she did an al then he would marry her etc

 

[MsBetsy]

lacks empathy...he's an oddball.

That's putting it mildly!