GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[MemPat]

The agents were putting in an act to get him to talk. They knew the technique to choose was to be his friend and stroke his ego . I admire them because I would not have been able to keep the look of disgust off of my face I’m sure the minute they walked out of the room that look of disgust was there . I think telling Chris they still love him is more for healing on their part, not what that would do for Chris . I understand it but I don’t think I could have done that

I picture those who interviewed Chris walking out the door and doing big shivers to shake off the horror of being nice to him.

I imagine they also went home and had scalding hot showers to rid themselves of the stench!

 

[Best of What's Around]

Did Chris say he wished he's never met her?

CW said it is never a good thing to say that you wished you hadn’t met someone but he did say he wished he had left it at the office and not started an affair with her.

ETA it was clear to me, however, he still cares a lot about her and wishes he could talk to her.

ETA also, it seems clear he worries more about her life than the lives he took.

 

[MassGuy]

I was listening to a yt video of CW's and SW's last texts. On the day before she arrived home, she asked CW if he would do her a favor and get the girls backpacks ready for school the next day. He said he would. I wonder if it was ever stated anywhere that he did get those backpacks ready for school on Monday? If he did not, that would definitely point to premeditation IMHO. Anyone?

Ha! I said the same thing a few months ago, when the discovery documents were released:

I just found something interesting:

Page 2215: On August 12, at 0957, Shanann asked CW if he could get the girl’s backpacks ready for tomorrow, with blankets and spare clothes. He said he would.

Well did he?

If he didn’t, he could of course claim that he forgot.

Otherwise, he may not have done it because he knew they wouldn’t be needing them.

If those bags were packed however, it would be indicative that he perhaps wasn’t planning on killing that night.

 

[ab01]

Did Chris say he wished he's never met her?

They truly were a match made in hell!!

 

[kay74]

I read a story awhile back about a guy who told his wife he was leaving, he had an affair and wanted a divorce, his wife said the same thing, "you will never see your kids". He said "Do what you want" and left. Now why couldn't Chris have done this same thing. As far as alimony that's nothing he would be paying for the kids if they were still married, once you pay into custody the judge would certainly let him see his kids. To kill someone is nuts! He could be free right now and have his "NK".

 

[Best of What's Around]

Ha! I said the same thing a few months ago, when the discovery documents were released:

I just found something interesting:

Page 2215: On August 12, at 0957, Shanann asked CW if he could get the girl’s backpacks ready for tomorrow, with blankets and spare clothes. He said he would.

Well did he?

If he didn’t, he could of course claim that he forgot.

Otherwise, he may not have done it because he knew they wouldn’t be needing them.

If those bags were packed however, it would be indicative that he perhaps wasn’t planning on killing that night.

Very possible. For me, the combination of agreeing to see Bella off to her first day back at school while simultaneously offering to go alone early that morning to Cervi, coupled with his expressly asking SW to NOT announce to anyone the gender of their baby until Monday, convinced me that while his time was running out on a variety of fronts, it was Sunday night that he had planned his family would disappear in advance. He also all of a sudden didn’t need to move quickly on finding a new apartment for himself...despite knowing that SW would change the locks on him if he said he wanted a divorce. Hmmmmm...

 

[MsBetsy]

Did Chris say he wished he's never met her?

Yes, along with a lot of other things he wished he hadn't done. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

I read a story awhile back about a guy who told his wife he was leaving, he had an affair and wanted a divorce, his wife said the same thing, "you will never see your kids". He said "Do what you want" and left. Now why couldn't Chris have done this same thing. As far as alimony that's nothing he would be paying for the kids if they were still married, once you pay into custody the judge would certainly let him see his kids. To kill someone is nuts! He could be free right now and have his "NK".

I think two things are possible here:

She never said that, and he’s lying.

He wanted an excuse to justify what he had planned to do.

I think it’s the latter, and he needed some motivation to carry out his evil plan.

That’s why I think he used the credit card at the restaurant; he wanted a fight, and an excuse to murder.

 

[MsBetsy]

Very possible. For me, the combination of agreeing to see Bella off to her first day back at school while simultaneously offering to go alone early that morning to Cervi, coupled with his expressly asking SW to NOT announce to anyone the gender of their baby until Monday, convinced me that while his time was running out on a variety of fronts, it was Sunday night that he had planned his family would disappear in advance. He also all of a sudden didn’t need to move quickly on finding a new apartment for himself...despite knowing that SW would change the locks on him if he said he wanted a divorce. Hmmmmm...

Absolutely. He is not fooling anyone, least of all the investigators, in his attempts to pretend he did not plan any of this. Imo

 

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I think two things are possible here:

She never said that, and he’s lying.

He wanted an excuse to justify what he had planned to do.

I think it’s the latter, and he needed some motivation to carry out his evil plan.

That’s why I think he used the credit card at the restaurant; he wanted a fight, and an excuse to murder.

Yeah, it was interesting that NK told LE that she thought he still had room on at least one of his gift cards when she noticed he paid with a credit card.

Maybe I am a weird feminist, but I always offered to pay sometimes when dating. I guess NK did not. She kept very close tabs on how he paid as well. She darn well knew all along he was hiding what he was doing from his wife.

 

[MassGuy]

Yeah, it was interesting that NK told LE that she thought he still had room on at least one of his gift cards when she noticed he paid with a credit card.

Maybe I am a weird feminist, but I always offered to pay sometimes when dating. I guess NK did not. She kept very close tabs on how he paid as well. She darn well knew all along he was hiding what he was doing from his wife.

Exactly. If CW and SW were in the process of a divorce, as she allegedly believed, then why the hell the need to hide the transactions from his wife?

NK’s a lot of things, but she wasn’t ignorant of the realities of their marital situation.

 

[kay74]

I think two things are possible here:

She never said that, and he’s lying.

He wanted an excuse to justify what he had planned to do.

I think it’s the latter, and he needed some motivation to carry out his evil plan.

That’s why I think he used the credit card at the restaurant; he wanted a fight, and an excuse to murder.

He could've had rage in him toward poor Shannon because of his mother badmouthing her and he had that in his head which set him off to her. Yea I believe that is what she said to him that got him in that rage.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Absolutely. He is not fooling anyone, least of all the investigators, in his attempts to pretend he did not plan any of this. Imo

Yep, and while CW likely revealed that he woke up somehow knowing Murder was inevitable that morning to push the blame off himself like the devil made him do it and likewise likely said he got used to not having a family and being a dad when he spent little time in the family home full of reminders (side note his wife called him almost everyday), I am sure these clues indicated to them that he is accidentally showing preplanning. MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

He could've had rage in him toward poor Shannon because of his mother badmouthing her and he had that in his head which set him off to her. Yea I believe that is what she said to him that got him in that rage.

Sure, but that would mean that this was a spontaneous crime of passion.

I think the evidence indicates that this was premeditated.

 

[MemPat]

i haven't listened to the tapes I should but I dread it. I'm really surprised he talked at all and so soon. From what I get so far in a round about weird way he is sorry but it's mixed with self preservation. After all if he wouldn't have been caught he would have gone on with his life with no regrets.
He has nothing but time now to think I'm glad he didn't get away with it. I hope his life is as good as it can be incarcerated and no one attacks him and he has some friends. He's really an anomaly. There is no way any of this could have been prevented

You are more gracious than I.

I hope God forgives him but I also hope he is miserable every day as he reaps the consequences of his deeds.

House him alone with no human contact ever; then your hope that he isn't attacked will come to fruition. (Please say you're okay with him falling and busting his head occasionally!)

I disagree with you that this could not have been prevented. Chris made many decisions each day to keep himself alive....eating, sleeping, driving carefully, etc. so I don't think life-preserving decisions for his family were so impossible.

MOO

 

[kirkassoc]

Ha! I said the same thing a few months ago, when the discovery documents were released:

I just found something interesting:

Page 2215: On August 12, at 0957, Shanann asked CW if he could get the girl’s backpacks ready for tomorrow, with blankets and spare clothes. He said he would.

Well did he?

If he didn’t, he could of course claim that he forgot.

Otherwise, he may not have done it because he knew they wouldn’t be needing them.

If those bags were packed however, it would be indicative that he perhaps wasn’t planning on killing that night.

I wish they had asked him about the backpacks at this latest interview. Also, IF they had sex the night before, her autopsy would have shown that. I don't remember hearing or reading about those type of results (evidence of intercourse). Does anyone know?

 

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He could've had rage in him toward poor Shannon because of his mother badmouthing her and he had that in his head which set him off to her. Yea I believe that is what she said to him that got him in that rage.

IMO when you are looking for a fight with your significant other, it is easily found. I don’t buy the rage. Just courage maybe to do what he knew was wrong in society and inherently risky.

 

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I wish they had asked him about the backpacks at this latest interview. Also, IF they had sex the night before, her autopsy would have shown that. I don't remember hearing or ready about those type of results (evidence of intercourse). Does anyone know?

The coroner does not say. Perhaps deterioration and coffin birth precluded definitive results. I don’t know. I am inclined to believe him only because I do not understand his motivation to lie on this one, but that is a weak point on my part! MOO

ETA maybe he went along with it to avoid a fight at that moment if he did actually plan to murder her in her sleep. Or because he was selfish. Or, because he thought he was doing her a last favor. Who knows.

 

[MemPat]

I'm about 30 minutes in where the interviewer panders to CW's meek, good ol' boy b.s., leading him to say that it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't had an affair with NK.
It's truly nauseating how CW claims that the situation controlled him rather than him being in control.
Although NK had checked him and SW out before, she wasn't the one actively pursuing him and controlling the situation.
It's obvious from the timing of the affair that he was the pursuer, since he knew how long his family was going to be gone and had his plan to woo NK all mapped out.
And if NK had picked any other married man with kids, that man wouldn't have turned into a family annihilator.
But if CW had picked a different mistress he became equally infatuated with, then he still would have murdered his family.
Zero sympathy for NK, but to suggest that it wouldn't have happened if not for her is to downplay what a monster he truly is, IMO.

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Very possible. For me, the combination of agreeing to see Bella off to her first day back at school while simultaneously offering to go alone early that morning to Cervi, coupled with his expressly asking SW to NOT announce to anyone the gender of their baby until Monday, convinced me that while his time was running out on a variety of fronts, it was Sunday night that he had planned his family would disappear in advance. He also all of a sudden didn’t need to move quickly on finding a new apartment for himself...despite knowing that SW would change the locks on him if he said he wanted a divorce. Hmmmmm...

Failed to mention the letter he wrote a week prior to the murders above...which even the defense did not want to touch because they said it sounded like premeditation. He expressly says he would never hurt his kids!