GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[MCDRAW]

A few threads back it was brought up that Chris said he had to talk NK off the ledge a couple of times
Where I come from this means she was on the verge of suicide. (Jumping off the ledge). I'm from northern Minnesota. Could she have been threatening suicide ?

I have heard it loosely used to describe someone upset. When you have to calm someone down.

 

[Colorfuel]

Suicide where i come from too!!

I think "talk someone down from the ledge" definitely began as a suicide reference, but it's become a more casual phrase, just meaning to calm someone. Can be shortened to "talk [someone] down," or a command, "Talk me down."

 

[Noreen McGurl]

His command of English is pretty sub-standard... He says "like" incessantly, liberally peppers his sentences with the phrase "kind of a thing", and used the phrase "ground control" to describe "damage control", etc. IMO, his use of language is so imprecise that saying he was "talking her off the ledge" can't be taken "precisely"....

So "like" true and i have no inclination ... it's as if he learned certain words from hearing people use them and tried to interject them in between his sub standard use of the English language to the point where he made no sense whatsoever, double negatives etc. Also noticed he did that in his confession of 5 hours and used many of the same obscure words intertwined with his use of "like" . All I could think was they were probably words used by somebody very influential on him. And not to split hairs but I can't stand the way somebody would say "not at awl" or "neverrrrrrrr" if you listen to the interviews it's like chalk on a Blackboard!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

I have heard it loosely used to describe someone upset. When you have to calm someone down.

Definitely agree but maybe I'm just biased because if he was helping to talk her down off of that place in her head meanwhile his wife was in North Carolina hoping to just talk to him about anything !?!?! I bet the drama increased when somebody had responsibilities to his wife and children and then was torn Away by talking somebody off the ledge!! He was the one to turn towards the drama but just saying.....

 

[Noreen McGurl]

I have also thought the same thing.

And if CW was not planning on an explosion, I think he was going to put SW somewhere else.

I think what initially completely messed up his plan, was he he found out that his coworkers were on their way to the site.

That knowledge made him have to frantically figure out where to put SW. So he had to start digging a hole and he ran out of time.

Then the dominoes just started falling one by one...

Absolutely!!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Absolutely!!

And let's not forget if he caused an explosion innocent strangers would have been killed, mean while he strangled his wife thus killing his unborn baby boy and suffocated his daughters but we are to believe that he cared about innocent strangers?

 

[MCDRAW]

So "like" true and i have no inclination ... it's as if he learned certain words from hearing people use them and tried to interject them in between his sub standard use of the English language to the point where he made no sense whatsoever, double negatives etc. Also noticed he did that in his confession of 5 hours and used many of the same obscure words intertwined with his use of "like" . All I could think was they were probably words used by somebody very influential on him. And not to split hairs but I can't stand the way somebody would say "not at awl" or "neverrrrrrrr" if you listen to the interviews it's like chalk on a Blackboard!

I couldn't really pay attention to him for getting angry listening to the detectives. I didn't like it the first time, and really feel they caused Shanann's family a lot of pain by even suggesting to CW that he killed Shanann because she did something to the girls. I could understand it the first time because they needed to find them. This time, I got the impression that they really liked him. And offering to tell NK stuff went way too far, in my opinion. The truth is there was no need to play up to him, he has already been convicted and sentenced. I know others think differently about the detectives. This is just my opinion.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Sorry to bring this up again but it's nagging at me that anybody that felt like they were a catalyst in this horror, with an ounce of decency, remorse or morals would go off the grid and hide themselves without having to be put in Witness Protection, they would put themselves in their own form of hell for a certain amount of time and when this horrific piece of Hell on Earth took place would not even be concerned about their job nor about their name being dredged through the mud!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

I couldn't really pay attention to him for getting angry listening to the detectives. I didn't like it the first time, and really feel they caused Shanann's family a lot of pain by even suggesting to CW that he killed Shanann because she did something to the girls. I could understand it the first time because they needed to find them. This time, I got the impression that they really liked him. And offering to tell NK stuff went way too far, in my opinion. The truth is there was no need to play up to him, he has already been convicted and sentenced. I know others think differently about the detectives. This is just my opinion.

I do agree, they did not need to say that they would act as messengers.. they had had basically the story he was going with at that time and like I said on earlier threads he gets fan mail Three Square meals a day warm bed at night Shanann's gone her babies are gone and her family is hanging on by a thread

 

[PommyMommy]

And on this subject why did he change the children's bed sheets and tell his mistress they smelled which reiterates what Bella said about his truck when their poor mothers body was on the floor of the truck? Sorry to bring this up but it's an inconsistency and does not make sense?

Perhaps NK misinterpreted CW saying, "they smell" as "they smell bad." Were the sheets dirty? Maybe they simply smelled like his daughters which was unsettling to him.

PDF pg 479, Discovery pg 543:
CHRIS also told NICHOL he had to wash his children’s sheets as “they smell.” NICHOL was suspicious of this comment as CHRIS was so clean she did not know why the kid’s sheets would be dirty.

MOO

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Perhaps NK misinterpreted CW saying, "they smell" as "they smell bad." Were the sheets dirty? Maybe they simply smelled like his daughters which was unsettling to him.

PDF pg 479, Discovery pg 543:
CHRIS also told NICHOL he had to wash his children’s sheets as “they smell.” NICHOL was suspicious of this comment as CHRIS was so clean she did not know why the kid’s sheets would be dirty.

MOO

You are the Best PommyMommy,!!

 

[Noreen McGurl]

Perhaps NK misinterpreted CW saying, "they smell" as "they smell bad." Were the sheets dirty? Maybe they simply smelled like his daughters which was unsettling to him.

PDF pg 479, Discovery pg 543:
CHRIS also told NICHOL he had to wash his children’s sheets as “they smell.” NICHOL was suspicious of this comment as CHRIS was so clean she did not know why the kid’s sheets would be dirty.

MOO

I hadnt even thought of that!!!

 

[Deleted member 239597]

I disagree. I think she was always on his mind. After he buried his pregnant wife and dumped his children in an oil tank, he paused to take pictures of wildflowers for NK and to Google the song lyrics of a song she wanted. He also continued to text her and speak to her while there was supposedly a search going on for his "missing" family. I think he was obsessed with NK and she was always there at the edge of his mind.

And I disagree again. I was replying to what was going through his mind while he was driving with his dead wife on the floor of his truck and two young children in the back seat, one of which was talking to him.... So everyone thinks Chris had time to think about NK during this trip when he was probably thinking of how to dispose of his wife's body, keep his child calm, drive down the road, think up alibi's....wonder if those pictures was an alibi plan? Remember his text while at SW memorial service? (funeral)? He told her he was overseas? Who knows the lies he told her with those pics being taken?

Who knows....but thinking of his mistress at this point was probably the last thing on his mind. IMHO at the end of the day she was JUST SEX.... SEX is not love, though maybe he isn't equating that at the time, it's still just that.

I was not speaking after the fact though. Sure he could have been thinkin NK after the fact.... However I really really do not believe at the time he had his dead wife in the truck with his children driving to a place where he needed a plan and alibi, all the whilst stirring in in emotion of anger, she was at the forefront of his mind.... he killed his kids for GOD's sake....was he thinking on NK and their sex and lovey dovey relationship while strangling two innocent children? I think NOT...sry I don't buy that NK was on his mind at all at that moment in time.

 

[Quinquin]

honestly if we based people solely on their mental health and being very nice I'd fall still into that red flag area. I am diagnosed with BPD. My belief is anyone, IF ANGERED ENOUGH can potentially become a murderer. We cannot fool ourselves into thinking we can't become that enraged. It takes only ONE time for something to happen that we can't take back.

This is knowledge and insight from years of working with therapy to even understand, and get a diagnosis for myself. The diagnosis was 99.9 percent of the battle because I've been learning what makes me tick. I tend to barricade myself indoors and don't come out now if I have the slightest bit of attitude. NOT that I will hurt someone or anything like that physically....but just saying the wrong thing and being inappropriate enough to make someone seem like they are "picking on me" is enough to set that rage inside burning or the hurt and humiliation being so much I can't bear it.

There is no medications that heal these kinds of things. The brain misfires and we do not know even a tenth of how the human brain works. My medications treat the symptoms only.

Having insight into BPD is crucial for healing, and for recognizing the affect of your behavior on yourself as well as others. Kudos to you for being so open and honest about your feelings. Would you agree the many BPD sufferers have very severe negative reactions, aggressive and depressive, to everyday mundane issues. CW seems to be pretty even keel and does not seem unpredictably histrionic or reactive. Looking at some of the FB videos, he seems to have a pretty flat affect, aside from what he did to his family that night. From personal interaction with a BPD sufferer, the constant emotional upheavals are usually pretty evident.

 

[Deleted member 239597]

Having insight into BPD is crucial for healing, and for recognizing the affect of your behavior on yourself as well as others. Kudos to you for being so open and honest about your feelings. Would you agree the many BPD sufferers have very severe negative reactions, aggressive and depressive, to everyday mundane issues. CW seems to be pretty even keel and does not seem unpredictably histrionic or reactive. Looking at some of the FB videos, he seem pretty have a pretty flat affect, aside from what he did to his family that night. From personal interaction with a BPD sufferer, the constant emotional upheavals are usually pretty evident.

CW seems to be pretty even keel and does not seem unpredictably histrionic or reactive

NO to me in many videos he is in he does seem disassociated to the point of being uncomfortable. He would not display an emotional upheaval. He would be looking for a way out of the room. And in many video's he's just looking around staring. That is what I do. I can't stand being in the limelight or with a big crowd and hate the camera.

 

[Noreen McGurl]

I hadnt even thought of that!!!

Chiming in to say that although I sometimes see people express the sentiment that they want someone to get hurt or killed in prison, or to kill themselves, I don't. I think prisons should do their utmost to keep prisoners safe from one another and from themselves. I am not interested in anything more than the amount of justice that has been served, because nothing is going to bring back the people whose lives CW took.

I do not think he is truly remorseful, but he does have a lot of time to think about what happened and experience some kind of regret. Just because someone appears to cry doesn't mean it's real. He literally says he doesn't want to be judged or defined by these murders, which is ridiculously out of touch with basic decency. He has said he will take a long time to forgive himself.

Who could ever forgive themselves for killing their innocent spouse and little kids in cold blood? He makes it sound like a small or medium thing he will eventually get over. Horrible.

Yes I got really angry when I heard him say that people should not be judged by one moment or one act in their life and all I could think about was your moment and act took away 4 lives are you kidding me and he's hoping that he can find his purpose and mentions finding God and Amazing Grace but sorry it had to be at the sacrifice of his family those are my words not his, somebody who supposedly found God. I'm Catholic there's a thing called Penance we receive in second grade and you go to confession to confess your sins and you received your act of contrition which is composed of some prayers and also healing what you did wrong and I can't imagine that he did this because he has not done any Contrition and it is an insult that he says he found God don't hide behind God and say you made your peace and everything's okay you call your wife's family and talk to them and look at them on TV at their heartache and try to make it up to them for the rest of your miserable life and maybe you will have a foot out of hell

 

[nanwv]

Did anyone also notice how he changed the subject or went on a tangent when he didn't want to answer the questions it reminded me of another interview that was convoluted to say the least

It would be interesting to listen again to his interviews and list all the questions where he starts to obfuscate.

 

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[skyedaze]

I think he was going to put all of them in the tanks and blow it all up also. I guess he thought if he blew it up it would look like and accident from the "leak" and the bodies would be incinerated by the heat from burning oil and gas...sound familiar?

 

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