GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #71

[molly1255]

I think we'd be shocked if we read those deleted texts - I think NK's push to have a single CW was ramping up and she was putting the pressure on. That doesn't mean she was trying to get anyone killed, but her texts would show us where his mind was at and probably exactly when it switched over.

I think you are right. JMO, a woman who has an affair with a married man who has a pregnant wife and two little girls knows that she's playing a very dangerous game because someone is going to get hurt badly. She didn't care if someone got hurt, as long as it wasn't her.

IMO, I don't think she thought he'd murder his family, but that doesn't make her any less ruthless as far as I'm concerned. I think it was all a big game for her ego. I don't think she was even in love with CW because she certainly managed to recover from a broken heart in record speed. She was over him by the time she did her interviews with LE and was concerned only about herself and how the murders would impact her pathetic life.

All JMO

 

[kittycat3]

Maybe not popular, but saying it. His mistress did not contribute to or make him annihalate his family in such an horrific unimaginable manner.

Whether she hid on the bottom of a floorboard to enter Shanann's house or scre*ed him at work in the oil fields. Knowing he was married. This is not about her.

This is about a narcissist, sociopathic family annihilator.

He did it. And she didn't make him do it.

This is not about her. I don't think she ever knew or wanted it to end this way.

Do you really think she thought this would happen? Or would have done anything to encourage it? Or wouldn't have stopped it?

Yeah. She's an adulterous. Who never had a damn clue that she was with monster. Let's stop always trying to shift the blame to the woman. God knows we already had to watch that happen here.
jmo

Thank you Johnny. Hear hear! So much hate here for NK, I mean no disrespect for those that want to discuss it but I wish there could be another thread for those that want to discuss the affair, vs discuss the crime.

 

[kittycat3]

Jeremy Lindstrom interview: about 4 minutes in. Shanann got Chris the job with Anadarko, so he quit the car dealership mechanic job.
Maybe everyone knew that, I didn't. Just another example of his being without any spunk or goals in life. Working on commissions in a car dealership for more than 2 years without even trying for the local, lucrative, oil/gas jobs.
Until his wife found him great employment.

Commissions? Wasn’t he a car service tech? He did go to NASCAR school or whatever so cars were clearly a passion.....not sure how working as a service tech in an auto shop equates to having no goals or spunk in life.

 

[molly1255]

Thank you Johnny. Hear hear! So much hate here for NK, I mean no disrespect for those that want to discuss it but I wish there could be another thread for those that want to discuss the affair, vs discuss the crime.

JMO, the affair and the crime cannot be separated.

 

[kittycat3]

My opinion on NK (not that anyone asked, ha) is just that we will never know exactly what went down between her and CW. I don’t believe for a second that CW was forthcoming with anyone about anything. NK essentially had CW as an instant boyfriend while SW and kids were in NC, and it would have been very believable for CW to tell NK this was a trial separation or to misrepresent the true state of their marriage. (Has there been any corroboration that SW knew CW wanted to separate? Other than what CW himself has claimed?)
Yes NK showed despicable and shameful behavior in those interviews and was sleeping with a married man - but if CW said they were on their way to file papers he had a great story. No kids or wife for 6 weeks, why would she doubt his lies?
Perhaps it was only in the last weekend when he needed to go home to the sitter that she realized he wasn’t really as far out the door as he had previously indicated.

 

[molly1255]

Commissions? Wasn’t he a car service tech? He did go to NASCAR school or whatever so cars were clearly a passion.....not sure how working as a service tech in an auto shop equates to having no goals or spunk in life.

Are you saying he had a lot of zip? lol

 

[molly1255]

My opinion on NK (not that anyone asked, ha) is just that we will never know exactly what went down between her and CW. I don’t believe for a second that CW was forthcoming with anyone about anything. NK essentially had CW as an instant boyfriend while SW and kids were in NC, and it would have been very believable for CW to tell NK this was a trial separation or to misrepresent the true state of their marriage. (Has there been any corroboration that SW knew CW wanted to separate? Other than what CW himself has claimed?)
Yes NK showed despicable and shameful behavior in those interviews and was sleeping with a married man - but if CW said they were on their way to file papers he had a great story. No kids or wife for 6 weeks, why would she doubt his lies?
Perhaps it was only in the last weekend when he needed to go home to the sitter that she realized he wasn’t really as far out the door as he had previously indicated.

You apparently haven't seen her June 12 email to CW.

 

[kittycat3]

JMO, the affair and the crime cannot be separated.

True that the affair was a main factor but I think if it wasn’t NK it would have been someone else, and there certainly is a lot of focus here on parsing her behavior in the interviews, attempts to sleuth her involvement in murders despite law enforcement explicitly stating she was not involved, and wishing her bad karma and whatnot. We’ve previously been warned by Tricia to leave NK alone, can’t remember which thread that was.....

 

[kittycat3]

You apparently haven't seen her June 12 email to CW.

Do you have a link?

 

[NuttMegg]

Commissions? Wasn’t he a car service tech? He did go to NASCAR school or whatever so cars were clearly a passion.....not sure how working as a service tech in an auto shop equates to having no goals or spunk in life.

Cw said he had to work for commissions in the car dealership mechanic job. Yes, i would say that a guy who doesnt push his skills and go for the higher paying, more challenging job is not showing spunk. His wife did get him the higher paying job though, so at least she was trying to improve the finances of the family. He could have also acquired a part time mechanic job to help out his pregnant, sick with lupus wife, with two small children who also ran a successful full time home business. He got off at 3 pm.

 

[molly1255]

Do you have a link?

 

[NuttMegg]

Thank you Johnny. Hear hear! So much hate here for NK, I mean no disrespect for those that want to discuss it but I wish there could be another thread for those that want to discuss the affair, vs discuss the crime.

Obstruction of justice is a crime. Lying to investigators can be a crime.

 

[NuttMegg]

My opinion on NK (not that anyone asked, ha) is just that we will never know exactly what went down between her and CW. I don’t believe for a second that CW was forthcoming with anyone about anything. NK essentially had CW as an instant boyfriend while SW and kids were in NC, and it would have been very believable for CW to tell NK this was a trial separation or to misrepresent the true state of their marriage. (Has there been any corroboration that SW knew CW wanted to separate? Other than what CW himself has claimed?)
Yes NK showed despicable and shameful behavior in those interviews and was sleeping with a married man - but if CW said they were on their way to file papers he had a great story. No kids or wife for 6 weeks, why would she doubt his lies?
Perhaps it was only in the last weekend when he needed to go home to the sitter that she realized he wasn’t really as far out the door as he had previously indicated.

i hope we don't have to reconsider the "but she was gone for 5 weeks" excuse for CW straying. SW left on June 27th. Juicy texts were interchanged between nk and cw on June 29th, regarding missing the warm body sleeping alongside, wink wink role playing, and being addicted.

 

[NuttMegg]

Thank you Johnny. Hear hear! So much hate here for NK, I mean no disrespect for those that want to discuss it but I wish there could be another thread for those that want to discuss the affair, vs discuss the crime.

i have been posting about nk's interviews with le, and about some of her behavior and lies. Not one single time have I referred to any "hate" for her, nor have I ever referred to anyone else with hate. A lot of new information is coming out, and some of us are revising the contradictions in her statements.

A pregnant mother and her two very young children were murdered. Even Tammy Lee asked CW if the mistress was in the basement, and he changed the subject. His time line, ie the amount he accomplished in less than one hour before the co workers came is not realistic, imo. Remember he also was said to have accomplished mechanical work with the leaking valve, iirc his boss said that. He had to do the mechanical work, that's supposedly why he was going to cervi 3-19 an hour before the crew.

i really do hope that those of us following the case and trying to plug the gaping holes in the statements of cw and nk are not going to be accused of hate posting.

 

[DaisyKenny]

True that the affair was a main factor but I think if it wasn’t NK it would have been someone else, and there certainly is a lot of focus here on parsing her behavior in the interviews, attempts to sleuth her involvement in murders despite law enforcement explicitly stating she was not involved, and wishing her bad karma and whatnot. We’ve previously been warned by Tricia to leave NK alone, can’t remember which thread that was.....

I agree if it wasn't NK, it could have been someone else he was equally obsessed with. And even if she was somehow involved in the murders, I still wouldn't consider CW to be her pawn. He is an absolute psychopath who simply viewed his family as obstacles to what he desired, so he eliminated them.

Because there was no trial and the investigation was far from complete, people have a lot of unanswered questions. And since NK did lie and destroy evidence, I understand folks not wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe that is why we are allowed to discuss her possible involvement here, although I agree with many of you that she did not play an active role in the murders.

 

[NuttMegg]

True that the affair was a main factor but I think if it wasn’t NK it would have been someone else, and there certainly is a lot of focus here on parsing her behavior in the interviews, attempts to sleuth her involvement in murders despite law enforcement explicitly stating she was not involved, and wishing her bad karma and whatnot. We’ve previously been warned by Tricia to leave NK alone, can’t remember which thread that was.....

Law enforcement, CBI, FBI, Frederick pd, recently asked CW a whole bunch of things about NK, these transcripts were made public by the CBI, or Colorado LE, so why are you trying to curtail discussion re those topics? Some people are not interested, I know, but why try to stop others from discussing the transcripts, videos, and audio tapes re discussions between cw and nk? Agent Coder showed pointed interest at CW's explaining how he had to talk nk down off a ledge, frequently. That she got upset at the smallest things, paraphrased.

 

[Nikynoo]

Cw said he had to work for commissions in the car dealership mechanic job. Yes, i would say that a guy who doesnt push his skills and go for the higher paying, more challenging job is not showing spunk. His wife did get him the higher paying job though, so at least she was trying to improve the finances of the family. He could have also acquired a part time mechanic job to help out his pregnant, sick with lupus wife, with two small children who also ran a successful full time home business. He got off at 3 pm.

Can you explain about how SW got CW the higher paying job? As far as I can remember, CW was earning far more at the dealership than he was at Anadarko and remember he couldn't continue with that job for health reasons. IIRC when he got home, he was helping SW out by looking after the girls.

 

[Nikynoo]

Jeremy Lindstrom interview: about 4 minutes in. Shanann got Chris the job with Anadarko, so he quit the car dealership mechanic job.
Maybe everyone knew that, I didn't. Just another example of his being without any spunk or goals in life. Working on commissions in a car dealership for more than 2 years without even trying for the local, lucrative, oil/gas jobs.
Until his wife found him great employment.

He earned more at the dealership (in excess of $100,000 according to the bankruptcy documents) than he did an Anadarko.

 

[Nikynoo]

They (NK/CW) spent the night at her house on the 3rd July, her birthday, according to him (IIRC she doesn't say that)
1)In the morning they were sleeping in because of no work, according to him
2)Shan'ann called or texted? And he got right up, went outside to get the call (or text, I've forgotten)
3) According to him, he leaves right away to go home where it's supposed, by us, he can send her photos of him acting like Mr. Mom, cleaning the house. Also NK doesn't like his leaving too much. (I think that was CW saying that)
4) According to NK, she went over to his house later on the 4th to help him with diet app. She says she went in the front door, he was vacuuming and had furniture and stuff nearly blocking the door. I don't think we've seen a video of her entering that time, or other time(s).

So here's what I think happened: (not an original theory, others have mentioned parts)
He was at her house, he did get messages from SW, he did go home. (on July 4)

However, I think NK went with him in the Lexus so they could pull into the garage with her on the floor.
And later he took her home or to wherever she had stashed her toyota pickup. Also there is a video floating around with him doing a bunch of pushups in his living room, then looking up at someone who purrs approval, sounding like a woman.

Why would anyone believe that she just walked up to his door and knocked on the afternoon of the 4th? Practically no one in the neighborhood was working on the 4th July, everyone would have been having barbeques, gardening, frisbee throwing, dog walking, car washing, etc. And we're to buy it that she just drove over, and walked in the front door? Wouldn't SW have seen the doorbell video, unless he disabled it for a minute or so.

The other time, if we believe there were just 2 times (I don't) she dropped him off and left right away she says. I don't believe that, either, that they were driving around the neighborhood together in plain sight.

OTOH, I can't see her parking in that construction area behind the house, her truck would have stuck out like a sore thumb, and I don't believe she sneaked in by the back unless it was the middle of the night, but then how far did she walk to her car? Too visible, IMO.

.I know you were referring to the night of the 12th August or morning 13 August, but by that time I think they had perfected the clandestine visits of NK to SW's home.

Something else to factor in is that he went to an event on July 4th with the Thayers (with NK)

 

[Nikynoo]

Obstruction of justice is a crime. Lying to investigators can be a crime.

and NK has been charged with neither (yet).