Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[borndem]

He doesn’t seem to realize what he’s done.

I think he has already put in in a compartment and is not thinking about it. This comes from my thinking that he is a sociopath.

 

[gitana1]

I think he planned to go home and stage the house and then go back and hide her better before they were reported missing but her friend showing up at the door destroyed his plan. That is why he rushed home even though not answering the door is perfectly reasonable and nothing to worry about typically.

Rushed home blowing stop lights. Oh he wanted to make damn sure he got there before LE did.

 

[enelram]

ugh oh

the time has come!

A colleague of mine and I were close . Her husband (loved him) is a prominent judge here. We all went out. What follows is sadly, the truth about justice in our contry

I am not good with shift keys and quote marks so bear with me

here is how it really works

Perry Mason (!) gives the idea that all are adversaries (prosecutors, judges, defense attorneys) nothing could be more untrue!

They are dear friends, there kids know each others kids . The travel together (a fondness for cruising all the kids!)

here is how it works!

Happy hour after we all got out of the office

A couple from our office a couple from her husbands office get together

here we go

initial meet great get seated

superficial talk first round

then justice begins!

d is the defense attorney for Chris!

p is the prosecutor handling prosecuting Chris !

j is the judge in chris case

second round of cocktails arrive

(we have to make it a case that is far along tho!)

and so it begins

d says to p (for chris case!) Ill give you 30 years in jail with no death penalty

everyone leans their heads back chuckle and take a sip of their cocktail

p responds what am i gonna do with you d - you know i am not taking that

heads go back another chuckle and a sip

d says back ok i will give you 40

another p at the table chimes in

your being stupid you know there is no way that is happening

heads go back chuckle another sip

another p at the table chimes you to d attorney

your sitting in front of bob you guys know he will throw you out of his court if you two try that BS

another chuckles

All the judges, prosecutors def attorneys know what crimes judges are hard on what they are lentiant they all work with each other for days

they all know much of nothing has anything to do with the case . It depends on who the judge is. The whole game - starts with that

They all also know which def attorney will take folks to trial which will want to plea it out

everyone in the game knows all this

none of it has anything to do with guilt or innocence

its really like a locker room

a touchdown is:
for def attornees =not guilty or plea

for prosecutors = guilty or no contest

for judges - fastest way to clear out their docket

back to dinner

p i will give you life without parole

d death penalty off the table

p i will have to talk with rick but i think i can get him to accept that

another def attorney at the table chimes in bob (the judge!) will probably be fine with that

d ok i will take it back to client and will you give me call next week and let me know if you guys will accept this

p sure well all talk next week

next case pls.................................

FUNNY But so TRUE.

 

[Boodles]

I’m not convinced he confessed prior to his arrest. The company he worked for or LE looked at the company security video. That’s how I think it played out. He was fired either shortly before or shortly after his arrest and they knew where to locate SW right after the arrest.

But whether he confessed or LE/employer saw him dispose of bodies on video is not known to us AFAIK. It’s speculative that they were discovered by the employer’s video. Have you seen a source stating video was the way they found out, Tippy Lynn?

 

[Boodles]

Rushed home blowing stop lights. Oh he wanted to make damn sure he got there before LE did.

Did he get there before LE?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Father accused of killing family could face death penalty

Decker said the case for the death penalty is strong. In Colorado, prosecutors must be able to establish at least one of 17 aggravating factors.

This case meets at least three, he said. Watts is accused of killing more than one person. His victims are two young children. And one of the victims was pregnant.

"There may be other mitigating circumstances, however, that also apply," Decker said. "Cooperating with police is one of those mitigating factors. If Watts led police to his wife and children's bodies, it could potentially save his life.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It’s a good example to point to though for MLM. From what I understand the brainwashing can result in lofty choices. Keeping up the image of the projected success while it’s not yet in the bank account and the pressure of surviving it behind the scenes. Problem is very few make it to the top, though it is accurate in the sense of it being achieved. That gives a false reality to the other 99%.

I noticed a reference to him doing it as well. A lot of people leave a secure job to catch the dream wave. For being in it as far back as 2013 the results$$$$ shown in the lingo captions don’t sync.

MLM folks usually start doing it because they need the money or they want discounted products. The people who are really into are usually in it with hopes to make lots of money. They typically post constantly on social media - it’s a perfect platform for free advertising, and it’s strongly encouraged. But, it’s not free, it comes with a hefty price for people who don’t want to be judged by hundreds if not thousands of people on SM as a failure if it doesn’t work. So, they stay in it even when it’s not paying the bills. I think that’s where it has a big potential to destroy a person or family. It’s sad!

 

[Momma2cam]

I watched a little of his YouTube video of his speech. VERY telling. "Sometimes you have a lot of distractions like work, hobbies or a relationship. And it weakens your bond with your spouse...."

Wow. What was this for??

 

[Tippy Lynn]

ugh oh

the time has come!

A colleague of mine and I were close . Her husband (loved him) is a prominent judge here. We all went out. What follows is sadly, the truth about justice in our contry

I am not good with shift keys and quote marks so bear with me

here is how it really works

Perry Mason (!) gives the idea that all are adversaries (prosecutors, judges, defense attorneys) nothing could be more untrue!

They are dear friends, there kids know each others kids . The travel together (a fondness for cruising all the kids!)

here is how it works!

Happy hour after we all got out of the office

A couple from our office a couple from her husbands office get together

here we go

initial meet great get seated

superficial talk first round

then justice begins!

d is the defense attorney for Chris!

p is the prosecutor handling prosecuting Chris !

j is the judge in chris case

second round of cocktails arrive

(we have to make it a case that is far along tho!)

and so it begins

d says to p (for chris case!) Ill give you 30 years in jail with no death penalty

everyone leans their heads back chuckle and take a sip of their cocktail

p responds what am i gonna do with you d - you know i am not taking that

heads go back another chuckle and a sip

d says back ok i will give you 40

another p at the table chimes in

your being stupid you know there is no way that is happening

heads go back chuckle another sip

another p at the table chimes you to d attorney

your sitting in front of bob you guys know he will throw you out of his court if you two try that BS

another chuckles

All the judges, prosecutors def attorneys know what crimes judges are hard on what they are lentiant they all work with each other for days

they all know much of nothing has anything to do with the case . It depends on who the judge is. The whole game - starts with that

They all also know which def attorney will take folks to trial which will want to plea it out

everyone in the game knows all this

none of it has anything to do with guilt or innocence

its really like a locker room

a touchdown is:
for def attornees =not guilty or plea

for prosecutors = guilty or no contest

for judges - fastest way to clear out their docket

back to dinner

p i will give you life without parole

d death penalty off the table

p i will have to talk with rick but i think i can get him to accept that

another def attorney at the table chimes in bob (the judge!) will probably be fine with that

d ok i will take it back to client and will you give me call next week and let me know if you guys will accept this

p sure well all talk next week

next case pls.................................

Great post and sadly so very true. Even more so in smaller communities.

 

[beth272]

This case reminds me of Lori Hacking and a marriage built on incredible lies to her and the entire family. Our young women are too gullible which is why domestic violence is epidemic.

I

Our daughter married a manipulative liar. She was the last person to see it but today her eyes are wide open. I'm so sorry Shanann didn't have that opportunity.

I was married to one for 9 years, my parents helped me realize what I had married and helped me get out. I've been happily divorced for 8 years now!

 

[RavenCC2020]

I read an interesting book by a psychologist who wrote about Scott Peterson and what prompted him to kill his wife and unborn child instead of just walking away.

He talked a lot about the history of Scott's family. His mother was orphaned at two when her own father was murdered. She gave up several children.

Scott was the "golden child" in part because he had to be that way from infancy because he subsconsiously knew his annihilating mother could easily reject him if he wasn't perfect.

So from infancy on, scott never cried. He always smiled. He was perfectly charming and sweet. And it was all a facade.

He couldn't leave his perfect wife and perfect little baby so he could live the single life with a cute new woman. That wouldn't have been close to acceptable to his annihilating mother.

So he had to get rid of them. Disappear them and be the "grieving" widower. And thus keep the veneer of the perfect man. The perfect husband, father, brother and son.

OMG that is soooooooooooooo what I believed as well. His mom was a real winner. She lost her own dad to murder at a very young age. She had a nightmare childhood with broken family connections resulting in her having children she gave away at birth. Clearly she became a very unstable adult that chose to live in fantasy land. I think his dad too was just living in denial beside her.

I read a couple books back then the one by the judge from CourtTV, Catherine Crier, and the one by his half sister Anne Byrd. I found them both very interesting but Anne's I found the most insightful as she was able to give the clearest picture of the family dynamics. I was so happy for her that JP had put her up for adoption because by all accounts she was raised in a very happy and loving family and had a wonderful childhood. To become aware of your "real mom" not too far in advance to the murders must have really threw her for a loop. I would imagine she appreciated her parents who raised her so much more after dealing with the stress and drama her "bio" family brought into her life.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Wow. What was this for??

I’m not exactly sure, some sort of class being held for a small group in a kitchen. Considering what we know happened in his life 6 years later, it’s bananas. I hope nobody takes this guys advice.

 

[margarita25]

Interesting! What made Anadarko look at security tapes? The wife/kids of one of their employees went missing. Would that automatically trigger them to review security tapes? Maybe they were asked to confirm his “alibi” and they discovered him where he wasn’t supposed to be??

In addition to trying to verify a timeline, etc, when considering the location of a murdered victim(s), it is SP for LE to consider the offender’s workplace as potential disposal location (awareness space, etc.) An example is Beverly Carter’s case, iirc she was buried on/near the perp’s worksite. (I still wonder if this is the case with Heather Elvis.)

 

[KathrynL]

I just want to add for the record that real estate prices are much more expensive here than many other areas of the country. So, for the same price, what will buy you a mansion in other places will get you a much smaller property here. The cost of living in Colorado has been going up, up, up, and more people are moving to Colorado every day, especially due the legalization of marijuana. I read a stat at somewhere around 10,000 people a month moving to CO. The Denver area is one of the fast growing areas in the country from what I understand. Many people I know can barely afford to live here (including myself haha). It’s getting to be like New York and California (actually it has been for a while imo). Frederick is known as one of the more affordable places to live in the area.

Also, not sure if mentioned, but this is the second time Frederick has endured a major tragedy lately. The other was when there was a natural gas explosion in the neighborhood, a house blew up and lives were lost:
Cause of deadly Weld County home explosion 'narrowed down'

We recently moved from SE Denver (shared a zip code with Glendale). We bought that house from my MIL after renting it from her for years. We looked for another house in our neighborhood (small homes all built in the 50's) and they started at about 350K and went as high as 700K! So, our home out near Fort Morgan and their house in Frederick were a bargain next to Denver or anywhere else in the metro area.

I remember that explosion out there, so tragic.

 

[Lore Listener]

Our young women are too gullible which is why domestic violence is epidemic.

It's not the young women's fault that they are trusting. It's the abusers' fault that they are monsters. Victim blaming is never helpful.

 

[CARIIS]

Can anyone share some information from this link? I’m access denied

jmo

you missed nothing bottom line he was astounded that a narcissistic is cunning

a lot of folks get into forensic psyc is the pay is solid dont have to deal with insurance billing etc etc

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I wondered this also. He does have a rather thick neck in some photos. And based on his biceps he was definitely doing
free weights.
I've had dealings with guys on steroids at my fitness club and they are like
aggressive wild boars. ANGER!!!!

Aggressive wild boars - explains it!

 

[The Farm]

It will not let me quote but up above post number 370. Yes my friend that lives right near Frederick said no one can seem to afford to live there. You have to have a spouse, roommate and a few incomes coming in because it is so expensive with hordes of people moving in everyday. Expensive and there are some locals on here so feel free to chime in. She said the more rural areas in the mountains and plains are cheaper but there is no work and everything is far away such as medical also.
From what I have read on here they were in debt and both of them were working.

 

[cattlekate]

That's true about student loans. I'm wondering if they may have also had problems with the IRS. Shanann was very likely responsible for paying taxes on any earnings she had with the MLM company and they may have not planned for taxes on that money, especially if it was needed to pay monthly expenses. IRS debt can grow rapidly with penalties and interest and they are known to be quite aggressive in their collection attempts. Just a thought.

Does anyone know how taxes are paid on MLM income? How is the income denoted - on a W2? Does the income include the benefits, such as giving a stipend for a Lexus lease as well as the earned “lifestyle” trips?

 

[CARIIS]

I'm so grateful to Kelsie for the link. I usually eat this stuff up. But a couple minutes in I turned it off. Psychologist doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. He watched part of the interview and then asked if it was before he confessed. Then he talked about how there were no signs of deception and he seemed genuinely concerned about his family.

I turned it off then.

with ya kiddo

a lot of em just say what they need to depending on who is paying -- that simple sorry

he certainly would not be rivoting for a jury in their 12 week

my sense is he would be a report writer for whoever is paying him

in fact i thought the reporters notions were more congruent with how it was hitting me than him !