Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[margarita25]

In this Instagram photo, you can see he has a number of fairly large tattoos- those are not cheap.

Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “My view last night! #getfit #thrive #DUO #sexy #love”

I wonder if he went to yoga classes. If so, obviously not enough of them.

 

[BUF]

Those tanks are like HUGE explosive bombs. They are continuously monitored on multiple parameters so they can detect the slightest change in temperature, pressure, humidity, etc instantly. Opening a hatch would cause an instant change in pressure that would likely trigger an alarm, as wellas having multiple sensors triggered with the mechanical opening AND introducing something foreign into the tank.

There would also be security cameras all over the gates and the rigging. Alarms would go instantly to the plant security people. Even if he was able to use his own access pass or code, the opening of the hatches would be easy to corroborate with his presence.

Thank you for explaining this

 

[LietKynes]

so he def murdered the children first ??? asking

that changes stuff up a lot imo

Can't find any official statement about the times of the murders.... but it would appear the girls were slaughtered first.

Shows a great deal of premeditation. Not "snapping suddenly". Imo.

I'd approve of the DP in this case... but at the very least-- I want to see him leave prison in a pine box.

 

[Davia18]

I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I don't feel like he ever hurt those girls. I have the hardest time (still- I posted about this last night too) figuring out what made him "snap" enough to kill his kids. There are SM videos of his daughter vocalizing her love for him, there are photos of the girls cuddling and snuggling up on him, all smiles. I don't see any Lucas Hernandez-style pictures here. The unverified account of the friend who said the MIL and SIL tried feeding one daughter peanuts said that SW insisted that CW stay close by to keep them safe. I don't think he hurt them at all, until that night. Are there other cases like this? Why does this happen? The only other one that comes to mind is Justin Ross Harris, whose ex-wife still swears he wouldn't have left Cooper in his hot car on purpose, because he loved him so dearly. I'm just struggling with this one yall.

Post 396 on this thread from the TheDuchess I feel will explain why he did this.
I agree he never hurt his girls prior to this.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Instagram post with a video that is a series of photos of CW and Shannan from the beginning of their relationship, to their wedding, and then pregnant with kids... posted by Shannan for their 7 year anniversary.

Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “7 years ago I️ fell in love with you, 5 years ago I️ married my best friend, my soul mate, I️ married you!! Chris these have been the best…”

So frikking sad.

 

[margarita25]

My guess is it was too physically difficult to also get her into the tank?

What do you guys anticipate will be COD? Hopefully gun and not stabbing. (Awful that a gunshot is even hoped for here). I’m scared he might have stabbed them to death

 

[enelram]

In addition to mood issues, steroids contribute to sexual dysfunction as well.

Yes and so can having passive-aggressive issues against your partner. IME.

 

[Herat]

Bet he was planning on sayin she left w the kids. And he didn’t plan on cracking. He didn’t plan on much did he? Nicole foiled the whole plan!!

I know several couples that live beyond their means. Not a one of them have a healthy marriage. It’s all for show and just heart breaking so many feel they have to live like others. Heck the less money I spend the happier I am. Sure I like nice things I just don’t like the payment book that comes w it. Jmo and not bashing anybody.

You're right...

He was planning on returning to the home & cleansing it, probably writing a fake letter from her saying she was leaving & taking the kids..

He wouldnt be able to sell the house because her name would still be on the loan/ title. He would still have to be making those $3000 monthly mortgage payments.

 

[cattlekate]

It appears to be a satellite class, for a college. I doubt his tiny town has a community college, but Broomfield would be close and have an extension program.

If it was in Longmont, it’d be a Front Range Community College, Boulder County Campus. Which is a great school! Almost as good as Front Range Community College, Larimer County, Fort Collins. I assume CW was trying to better himself after just having a high school diploma.

 

[margarita25]

As for not hurting the girls prior to this, it’s hard to put anything past him at this point. But I do wonder statistically if these “family annhilators” often have histories of SAs.

 

[gitana1]

Psychologically speaking, the reason why this monster killed his family has absolutely NOTHING to do with them at all. It didn't matter how much money they made, or what her job was, or how healthy and beautiful the girls were, or if anyone was having an affair or any of that. The reason he killed his family is 100% about HIM. Sure, he may have his "reasons" why he did it and may use them to justify his actions to others and himself. But the bottom line is that he is a cold blooded, evil, killer. He always has been. He didn't just wake up one day and do this. It has always been inside of himself.

To me, he is a classic case of a man living a fantasy-a true sociopath. They can seem nice, friendly, loving, whatever to make them acceptable to society. But on the inside, they know full well it is an act. They have no soul, no conscience and are simply an actor in the stage of life. They may think that if they portray this image that they will become that person they are portraying. But underneath - no. They know there is nothing inside of them. They know that they are a worthless human being. They know that everything they portray is a lie.

When that lie is about to be bust wide open (see Scott Peterson) they know the jig is up. So what do they do? They don't decide to kill themselves to get out of it. No. They are evil. They don't want to die. That isn't the answer. The answer is to remove what is about to reveal them and in many cases, that is their family.

If a true sociopath killer can get away with it, just think of the benefits! Poor man. His family disappeared one day. His whole family was taken from him. He gets the benefit of being a grieving husband and father just trying to make it out there on his own again. (see Drew Peterson.) No divorce. No name dragged through the mud. No revelation that he wasn't the perfect person he pretended to be. His secret would be safe and he could move on. These people in his life? He never loved them at all. The relationship didn't fall apart. He didn't fall apart. He NEVER loved them. If he had ever loved them he could have never done what he did. Period.

I want to agree because it makes so much sense. And it sort of neatly explains how a seemingly normal and loving husband and father can do something like this.

But I think it's more complex.

Not everyone who commits a hideous atrocity is a sociopath or psychopath. Maybe they have some tendencies or aspects of it but it's not always that clear cut.

His post-confession media interviews were off. He seemed very emotionless and flat when discussing his beloved family being possibly "not safe".

But there were tells that some of the best sociopaths would likely not display.

True psychopaths/sociopaths tend to have low fear or arousal levels. They can do the worst and don't tend to fear getting caught.

But this guy had some hard swallows during the interviews. He described a lot of feelings. "My heart is racing a mile a minute." That's fear of getting caught.

"Emotional argument". "Traumatic night." "Ghost town."

"Earth shattering"

When asked to spell his daughter's names he had a reaction. Small but there.

He was feeling a lot of things about what he had done. And I believe there was remorse.

So I predicted a quick confession as did many others.

The FBI using the baby's nickname. "Cece". And saying they would not rest. Both statements were meant to appeal to emotions on the part of this creep that pure sociopaths don't typically have.

I mean clearly he's on the spectrum. But I don't think it's that cut and dried. (Is that the right phrase?)

 

[Davia18]

My guess is it was too physically difficult to also get her into the tank?

What do you guys anticipate will be COD? Hopefully gun and not stabbing. (Awful that a gunshot is even hoped for here). I’m scared he might have stabbed them to death

Suffocated in my opinion.

 

[margarita25]

I wonder what gym he went to. I’m scared to ask.

 

[dms]

I mean clearly he's on the spectrum. But I don't think it's that cut and dried. (Is that the right phrase?)

It's pretty amazing, and terrifying, how powerful denial and compartmentalization can really be.

 

[leighmarker]

This is more what I am thinking the oil and gas, easy access no heavy lifting.

 

[ab01]

I'm feeling like CW felt as though he had no way out. Mounting financial debt, Wife was trying to help out by getting involved in thrive(which is a pyramid scheme) and very few actually make much money off of it. They try to make it seem like they do in order to fill out the bottom of their own pyramid, but in reality the bills just keep piling up. It is very sad that he felt that there was no way out and that he decided to snuff out his innocent children and his wife. What puzzles me is that it wan't a murder suicide situation. Just very sad that i think at one time there was probably a family filled with love and it all had to turn out the way that it did. Mental health is a real problem in this country! With all that said, I still will never understand how somebody can kill their own innocent children! It just makes me sick and its all very sad! There is always a way out people ALWAYS! and a real man would swallow his pride and admit their failures and find a way out for the good of their family! CW is nothing but a Coward! And a cold blooded Murderer! MOO

 

[wary]

It's not the young women's fault that they are trusting. It's the abusers' fault that they are monsters. Victim blaming is never helpful.

I can't change the world; I can't remove the monsters from it. The only person I can change is myself. So, if I am too gullible, that is my fault.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Chilling family videos emerge of murdered Colorado woman praising her 'wonderful' husband | Daily Mail Online

Wow, check out these videos. Makes me despise him even more

 

[Anthony96]

My prediction, he will commit suicide.

Same for me

 

[CARIIS]

I couldn’t finish watching the psychologist video. Great audition for being hired by defense in this case if he doesn’t plead out.

again I am relieved he hit so many of you this way

did not want to appear that i thought i was Jung!

My own opinion regarding domestic violence victims (based on my experience working with victims orgs.)

Domestic violence is not just physical but emotional as well. The victim can believe that everything that is happening is their fault and that can be re-enforced by the abuser. Pregnancy can be a way for the victim to try to please the abuser or create a scenerio of protection (I’m pregnant and therefore he won’t hurt me for awhile) or other complicated reasons for the victim.

Hiding abuse is so common. Victims can be very well adept at hiding it even from the closest of friends. It’s never as simple as why didn’t she just leave or why didn’t someone help her. It is so hard to break free for so many reasons and can be complicated more when children are involved.

I can only speculate that SW was abused for a very long time.

The family annihilation is a very extreme measure for exacting control. Ownership over the victim and the children.

This is such a gut-wrenching and sickening thing. Even more so with the fact that CW did this and did not commit suicide. He lives and they don’t and he now has ultimate control over his family.

This is just my opinion.

I too, think there was abuse (like you say it takes many forms ) they were both into the look like the perfect family

but then we can get confused by some of the videos

i don't do FB or twitter or any of that stuff

but lets be honest who is posting a picture of their spouse screaming or there kids crying!

that stuff on there is fantasy world moo waste of time

I watched his court appearance and it stood out to me that his lawyer seemed to have no interest in him. Didn't seem to want to be near him.

Is he a public defender? If so, not so sure he's thrilled about being assigned this case.

I felt like that too at the end he just like was ready to go!!

no pat on the back nothing

like two people on a subway platform!!

liked the judge tho!!

I agree

which would fit into power control issues -- feelings of insecurity ( to be frank he was ugly and gross in that video presentation -- quite different now - imo current photos and videos nice handsome sexy looking guy

makes some sense he would want to test his attractiveness after looking like a schelp for so many years!