Still Missing CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #95

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  • #721
I was under the impression that they went to MG to let her know she would be paid but not in a way that would look suspect. I do believe she said later that she was paid for the time in Broomfield. I think I would have also told someone if I was in their position that they did not need to speak with the police or turn over their phone voluntarily. That is pretty normal for anyone who might be interviewed by LE and is sound advice IMO. I think we would need to know the exact conversation that took place before jumping to the conclusion that they were "shaking down" MG. So I do not perceive, without benefit of knowing the exact conversation that they did anything wrong in reaching out to MG. I'm sure she was concerned on some level if she would be paid in all the turmoil.

I pretty much disagree with all you said.

I would never encourage anyone to lie or not tell LE the truth.

I was taught if you tell the truth the first time, you can tell it the same way every time.

And I will take MG at her word that she felt afraid and intimidated. At the least, they owe her an apology. They owed Barry nothing.
 
  • #722
She was told she didn't have to cooperate, she did cooperate, and then Barry fired her.

Of course if Barry had nothing to hide, then he had nothing to fear by her talking to law enforcement.

No one was looking out for her; they were looking out for Barry.
Agree. And it’s quite obvious by the AA that Barry and the truth are strangers.
 
  • #723
We may be looking at this all wrong. Barry had managed to keep Suzanne from leaving him for years. That she was insisting this time and not backing down, he knew it had to be for another man. Because sex is Barry's currency. That's what marriage is to him. It's all men need. (And if they get it, they're happy. And if they don't, they have to get it elsewhere. Law of the jungle.)

Barry wanted to know who he was. Hence the Facebook hack in search of Jeffs. (And he probably realized he sent invitations so he added as many men as he could think of -- hence men he knew -- to try to hide what he'd inadvertently done.)

IMO Barry intended to eliminate the competition! If he found out who Suzanne was with, that is who would be missing and that is what Barry was busy trying to figure out. Who it was and when and where Suzanne was hooking up with him. IMO he suspected it was happening at PP.

And if Barry could eliminate him, Suzanne would come back to her right mind, now have no reason to divorce him, and he could carry on as he always had.

If Jeff had been local, he'd be .... well, I think we know what he'd be and how it would've been done. [Insert graphic.]

Until he had a name, Barry probably looked sideways at every single male in Salida.

Maybe what he learned on Saturday morning is that Suzanne was sharing grown up time in his bed, in his home with some guy on the Internet. And he wasn't going to lose his marriage over that.

So he stopped her.

My point is this: yes, Barry wanted all the money. No, Barry wouldn't tolerate divorce; he wouldn't even discuss it. Barry knew she had to be cheating, just not with whom. Barry would still have all the money, would still have the beautiful wife, if he could eliminate Jeff. Ironically, his original threat to the very Jeff in question -- essentially I'll destroy you and I'll keep the girl.

I think that all changed Saturday morning when IMO Barry learned it was an online affair with video. And when Suzanne didn't answer his calls or texts, he pictured the worst (because he had seen enough already) and his rage volcanoed.

And that's why this was such a confusing mess of planning and poor planning.

He was seeing blood red by 2:44 because he suddenly realized, in his sick way, that Jeff wasn't the problem, Suzanne was.

He had no plan, no alibi, no wits about him, he grabbed a loaded dart and broke through the locked door because Suzanne humiliated him.

Listen to him. He's angry. He inflates his sexual prowess with LE, he conflates his perfect marriage. He likely destroyed her phone, he threw her bike, he got rid of her, took full possession of her money, got rid of her RR, her house and probably all of her things.

Every interview, angry.

The 26 video, angry.

So there you have it, a new theory of the crime.

Barry was frantic to find out who the he was so he could eliminate him.

And it all blew up and he lost his flippin' mind.

With huge malice and mounting aforethought, he murdered his wife. Because no one humiliates BM.

JMO
 
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  • #724
We may be looking at this all wrong. Barry had managed to keep Suzanne from leaving him for years. That she was insisting this time and not backing down, he knew it had to be for another man. Because sex is Barry's currency. That's what marriage is to him. It's all men need. (And if they get it, they're happy. And if they don't, they have to get it elsewhere. Law of the jungle.)

Barry wanted to know who he was. Hence the Facebook hack in search of Jeffs. (And he probably realized he sent invitations so he added as many men as he could think of -- hence men he knew -- to try to hide what he'd inadvertently done.)

IMO Barry intended to eliminate the competition! If he found out who Suzanne was with, that is who would be missing and that is what Barry was busy trying to figure out. Who it was and when and where Suzanne was hooking up with him. IMO he suspected it was happening at PP.

And if Barry could eliminate him, Suzanne would come back to her right mind, now have no reason to divorce him, and he could carry on as he always had.

If Jeff had been local, he'd be .... well, I think we know what he'd be and how it would've been done. [Insert graphic.]

Until he had a name, Barry probably looked sideways at every single male in Salida.

Maybe what he learned on Saturday morning is that Suzanne was sharing grown up time in his bed, in his home with some guy on the Internet. And he wasn't going to lose his marriage over that.

So he stopped her.

My point is this: yes, Barry wanted all the money. No, Barry wouldn't tolerate divorce; he wouldn't even discuss it. Barry knew she had to be cheating, just not with whom. Barry would still have all the money, would still have the beautiful wife, if he could eliminate Jeff. Ironically, his original threat to the very Jeff in question -- essentially I'll destroy you and I'll keep the girl.

I think that all changed Saturday morning when IMO Barry learned it was an online affair with video. And when Suzanne didn't answer his calls or texts, he pictured the worst (because he had seen enough already) and his rage volcanoed.

And that's why this was such a confusing mess of planning and poor planning.

He was seeing blood red by 2:44 because he suddenly realized, in his sick way, that Jeff wasn't the problem, Suzanne was.

He had no plan, no alibi, no wits about him, he grabbed a loaded dart and broke through the locked door because Suzanne humiliated him.

Listen to him. He's angry. He inflates his sexual prowess with LE, he conflates his perfect marriage. He likely destroyed her phone, he threw her bike, he got rid if her, took full possession of her money, got rid of her RR, her house and probably all of her things.

Every interview, angry.

The 26 video, angry.

So there you have it, a new theory if the crime.

Barry was frantic to find out who the he was so he could eliminate him.

And it all blew up and he lost his flippin' mind.

With huge malice and mounting aforethought, he murdered his wife. Because no one humiliates BM.

JMO
This is it!!!
And why BM said if Suzanne knew she saved one life she would be happy.
And JL knew Suzanne was missing because of Barry imo. He must have feared for his own life! Wouldn't a rational person go to the police just out of protection for themselves? My mind would be going all over the place with fear! And I would probably fear for my children's safety too!
Did Barry continue to try to find out who this Jeff was?
I just don't get JL not going to the police. Not at all.
Imo JL is lucky to be alive. Because BM would have rather killed him and gotten him out of the way than Suzanne. moo
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Heck! Maybe BM would have killed both of them given the chance.
 
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The "firing" was not good...that's on Barry and it stinks. I don't think the other two were doing anything wrong and may have relieved MG's mind if she did have a concern she might not be paid.
Oh please. Those two at that time were guilty of intimidating her for Barry’s sake. At this time, maybe they realize they did the wrong thing and they will apologize to her. Maybe.
 
  • #727
This is it!!!
And why BM said if Suzanne knew she saved one life she would be happy.
And JL knew Suzanne was missing because of Barry imo. He must have feared for his own life! Wouldn't a rational person go to the police just out of protection for themselves? My mind would be going all over the place with fear! And I would probably fear for my children's safety too!
Did Barry continue to try to find out who this Jeff was?
I just don't get JL not going to the police. Not at all.
Imo JL is lucky to be alive. Because BM would have rather killed him and gotten him out of the way than Suzanne. moo
ETA
Heck! Maybe BM would have killed both of them given the chance.

Maybe. He would have killed them both if he had found them at PP together. That happens.

I’ve thought maybe Barry did realize who JL was and he threatened him or JL’s wife if he got involved at all after the fact. Maybe that’s why JL stayed quiet. All we really know is he hid and appears to be a coward. I guess most males doing what he did would hide. All we have right now is what is in the AA. I’m interested in what he has to say in court.
 
  • #728
BIB

This can easily verge on tampering with witnesses IMO

It's all well to give useful guidance as to someones legal rights if asked, but it is quite peculiar for them to appear to advocate against cooperating with LE in the case of BM's missing wife. Especially since in the early stages a key job for LE is to clear around their feet, so establishing BM's whereabouts etc - verified by witnesses is critical.

While I understand the general public is usually not legally sophisticated, this interaction raises red flags even without the more serious overtones, because representatives for BM appear to act to hinder the investigation, presumably in concert with him.

I would expect them to want her to cooperate but with assistance from counsel (always prudent)
Thank you! You said it perfectly. What they did smells.
And once MG got over the fear, if she did, she was likely in a rage and went to LE. I would have.
Witness tampering…yes! Too bad they weren’t charged. But LE had a bigger fish to catch.
 
  • #729
I pretty much disagree with all you said.

I would never encourage anyone to lie or not tell LE the truth.

I was taught if you tell the truth the first time, you can tell it the same way every time.

And I will take MG at her word that she felt afraid and intimidated. At the least, they owe her an apology. They owed Barry nothing.
Yes, they owe her an apology.
 
  • #730
I agree that Barry finding out that his wife is having sex with another man would make him murderously enraged, blindingly to-hell-with-the-consequences enraged, more than anything else.

But I’m not so sure about the theory that he was plotting to kill her “local lover” in those weeks in April/ May to keep Suzanne. He had been spying on her with video and audio for a year or more and had no evidence that anyone had ever come to the house. He knew she was going on frequent trips far away and he tried to crash them to find out what’s going on. He knew she was always on her phone smiling flirting texting and selfie-ing, ie long distance “emotional affair “ (he hoped).

I still think it’s a big deal that she had cancer twice. That he must have started considering what life would be like without her and thought the cleanest best outcome would be for her to pass away. Then he would have the money, the mansion, the beautiful loyal daughters, and cute girls in Salida.

Suzanne was a buzz kill, was unhappy, was a threat to his ego, was going to split his life in half. When she beat cancer a second time and was about to have her final treatment he had to cleanly make it happen himself.

Only problem is, Barry can’t do anything cleanly, he’s a huge mess.

Moo


We may be looking at this all wrong. Barry had managed to keep Suzanne from leaving him for years. That she was insisting this time and not backing down, he knew it had to be for another man. Because sex is Barry's currency. That's what marriage is to him. It's all men need. (And if they get it, they're happy. And if they don't, they have to get it elsewhere. Law of the jungle.)

Barry wanted to know who he was. Hence the Facebook hack in search of Jeffs. (And he probably realized he sent invitations so he added as many men as he could think of -- hence men he knew -- to try to hide what he'd inadvertently done.)

IMO Barry intended to eliminate the competition! If he found out who Suzanne was with, that is who would be missing and that is what Barry was busy trying to figure out. Who it was and when and where Suzanne was hooking up with him. IMO he suspected it was happening at PP.

And if Barry could eliminate him, Suzanne would come back to her right mind, now have no reason to divorce him, and he could carry on as he always had.

If Jeff had been local, he'd be .... well, I think we know what he'd be and how it would've been done. [Insert graphic.]

Until he had a name, Barry probably looked sideways at every single male in Salida.

Maybe what he learned on Saturday morning is that Suzanne was sharing grown up time in his bed, in his home with some guy on the Internet. And he wasn't going to lose his marriage over that.

So he stopped her.

My point is this: yes, Barry wanted all the money. No, Barry wouldn't tolerate divorce; he wouldn't even discuss it. Barry knew she had to be cheating, just not with whom. Barry would still have all the money, would still have the beautiful wife, if he could eliminate Jeff. Ironically, his original threat to the very Jeff in question -- essentially I'll destroy you and I'll keep the girl.

I think that all changed Saturday morning when IMO Barry learned it was an online affair with video. And when Suzanne didn't answer his calls or texts, he pictured the worst (because he had seen enough already) and his rage volcanoed.

And that's why this was such a confusing mess of planning and poor planning.

He was seeing blood red by 2:44 because he suddenly realized, in his sick way, that Jeff wasn't the problem, Suzanne was.

He had no plan, no alibi, no wits about him, he grabbed a loaded dart and broke through the locked door because Suzanne humiliated him.

Listen to him. He's angry. He inflates his sexual prowess with LE, he conflates his perfect marriage. He likely destroyed her phone, he threw her bike, he got rid of her, took full possession of her money, got rid of her RR, her house and probably all of her things.

Every interview, angry.

The 26 video, angry.

So there you have it, a new theory of the crime.

Barry was frantic to find out who the he was so he could eliminate him.

And it all blew up and he lost his flippin' mind.

With huge malice and mounting aforethought, he murdered his wife. Because no one humiliates BM.

JMO
 
  • #731
Since we are talking about MG and May 12th, I want to post what @OldCop had to say about it back in August 2021....

"May 12th

This is as I recall it also, @10ofRods. This was Tuesday, May12th, 2 days after SM disappeared. It was a very busy day for BM. I believe that this was the day he completely realized that he may actually be a suspect in her disappearance. He knew that LE was not buying his story. He needed to make sure he covered all bases.
AM was in town and he participated in a search with some of BM’s friends. BM put himself in a separate search group. He also sent TN and GD over to see MG and remind her she didn’t have to turn over her phone or talk to LE and that he wasn’t going to pay her because it would like hush hush money. Then BM slipped away from everyone and went rummaging through the trash at the Poncha Market and he was caught red handed.
My theory has been that he dumped SM’s phone in that trash can on his way out of town on Sunday morning after disabling it. He never thought that LE would doubt his story. He never thought that LE would be examining his movements on Sunday morning. Now he is nervous. What if he was captured on tape dumping that phone? He just had to go back and make sure it was not still in the trash. He thought the Market was closed. (Actually it was, but the employees were still inside.) when questioned he was so flustered he couldn’t even come up with a description of his missing wife.
Did he find what he was looking for on Tuesday evening or did he go back later?"

(OldCop might have changed the theory on what was inside the can. Yet the entire post is ASTOUNDING).
 
  • #732
Oh please. Those two at that time were guilty of intimidating her for Barry’s sake. At this time, maybe they realize they did the wrong thing and they will apologize to her. Maybe.
If they ever uttered the words “hush money” to MG, shame on them. I am interested in how the talk with MG came about-exactly what did Barry ask them to do regarding MG? I imagine LE wanted to hear about that. I can understand that someone contacted MG on Barry’s behalf to let her know that she would be paid. Barry’s phone was probably confiscated at that point. MG was a single mom with bills to pay, it was bad enough that she was going to be involved in the investigation due to her employment. And if Barry thought she was such a methhead, how come her name didn’t come out of his mouth when he listed suspects?
 
  • #733
If they ever uttered the words “hush money” to MG, shame on them. I am interested in how the talk with MG came about-exactly what did Barry ask them to do regarding MG? I imagine LE wanted to hear about that. I can understand that someone contacted MG on Barry’s behalf to let her know that she would be paid. Barry’s phone was probably confiscated at that point. MG was a single mom with bills to pay, it was bad enough that she was going to be involved in the investigation due to her employment. And if Barry thought she was such a methhead, how come her name didn’t come out of his mouth when he listed suspects?
I do agree. The worse thing that happened is he fired her. Inexcusable in my mind. I kinda think she will be a witness so we should hear her recount straight from her mouth what happened at trial.
 
  • #734
BM firing MG isn't the main thing...its why she was fired....for cooperating with LE. That is quite damning....especially when you consider how BM pretended to cooperate with LE for so long and over so many interviews. BM had multiple players in his script..who, by and large played their parts to his expectations, unwittingly, as far as I can tell...the Ritters, his daughters, GD and the nephew...not to mention the motel staff. MG, OTOH, violated BM's trust by not "taking one for the team." He took that as personal disloyalty...and MG instantly became an unemployed "meth head". That incident reported by MG expedited an already suspicious LE network to lock in on their target.
 
  • #735
I watched Lauren’s interview with MG for the first time, the one posted above. Her answer about the extent of her relationship with Barry suggests to me that she’s not being honest. Her squirms, her eye movements, her inflection.

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if there was much more to their relationship. She’s very pretty and young, they were together alone a lot, he would pick her up for long drives to jobs, they would stay in hotels in out of town jobs. She seems to know a lot about him, his daily activities, his personality and moods, his relationships, the sound of his truck, etc.

that would explain to me why he expected her to be so loyal, to tell her about his skill at burying a body, to feel free to talk to her about hush money, about not cooperating with an investigation.

Why would he not want her to talk or show her phone? The most likely obvious thing would be that he did not want anyone to find evidence of him having affairs.

moo
 
  • #736
BM had to send henchmen. Imagine, he would have been photographed, meeting with MG! The worst nightmare for him as a super faithful husband. IMO ;):(
Among other things, MG may have known about Shoshona. She wouldn't be the first mistress to visit a boyfriend on a job.
Maybe Barry treated MG like 'one of the guys' as in bragging about this one or that one. He did have profiles on dating sites - no idea when that began. And who were the women, not family members, Barry was face-timing with in jail?
We don't have long to wait now. :D
Just speculation and JMO
 
  • #737
MG, like SM, became literally afraid of BM. Both, in their own ways....crossed him. That fear was genuine, and well-placed. It says alot about the BM they knew personally.
 
  • #738
I just went back and watched the Lauren video with MG on zoom and Barry’s phone call. Definitely worth another look. Oh Barry. The more I listen to him speak, the more I wish he would take the stand. We know he won’t.
 
  • #739
She clearly implies there is another woman by her response. Barry also uses the term "love" rather than another woman. A little Bill Clintonish with his response.
 
  • #740
I watched Lauren’s interview with MG for the first time, the one posted above. Her answer about the extent of her relationship with Barry suggests to me that she’s not being honest. Her squirms, her eye movements, her inflection.

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if there was much more to their relationship. She’s very pretty and young, they were together alone a lot, he would pick her up for long drives to jobs, they would stay in hotels in out of town jobs. She seems to know a lot about him, his daily activities, his personality and moods, his relationships, the sound of his truck, etc.

that would explain to me why he expected her to be so loyal, to tell her about his skill at burying a body, to feel free to talk to her about hush money, about not cooperating with an investigation.

Why would he not want her to talk or show her phone? The most likely obvious thing would be that he did not want anyone to find evidence of him having affairs.

moo
I agree, to this extent:

MG was not inclined to be as candid in a video interview as she might be in private with a friend, or even with investigators. Her reason for participating in the interview was to get on the record for the Salida community that she was not BM's mistress. IMO, the rumor that she was his mistress had been simmering in Salida before SM disappeared, and it came to a rolling boil thereafter.

I suspect that in the two years BM was in town, he flirted with every pretty woman he met, and the women of Salida had his number long before SM disappeared.

In this context, people would see MG as a woman who looked like a younger SM - who would appeal to an aging Alpha Male like BM. The fact that she is a woman working in construction - a classic "man's job" - would suggest to the local rumor club that she must have used sex appeal to get the job and keep it. After that, the speculation exemplified your post must have seemed the next logical step.

I read her differently than you do, though. Consciously or intuitively, she knows her own sexual power with men, and I have no doubt that she uses it to her advantage. I do. It's an integral part of all my relationships with men - including my husband.

Yet, I suspect that she maintained her boundaries with BM and other men. Again, I do. We know that once we surrender, we are no longer interesting to men like BM; they move on to the next conquest. The fact that Anne Boleyn remained interested and engaged with Henry VIII while resisting his efforts to make her his mistress only increased and prolonged his interest in the relationship - in sharp contrast with his other extramarital affairs.

It's the same here, IMO. The fact that MG maintained her boundaries with BM, while remaining a good listener and a kind friend, enabled her to become a go-to member of BM's team and live in the beautiful surroundings of Salida. In the course of their relationship, I have no doubt that BM shared with her more about himself and his life than she revealed in her brief TV interview with LS.

I agree also that BM didn't want LE to see the substance or frequency of his communications with MG because they were likely flirtatious, even intimate to a degree - and could suggest that contrary to his public narrative he was not quite so faithful and devoted to his "angel" SM. All MOO.
 
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