Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #18

[TKG]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> A question for our experts:

How much time would be needed for FBI/CBI to run analysis on any evidence they may have gathered thus far? Many of you have followed numerous cases over the years, is this timeline unusual? Now an interview about the case with a “supposed” cousin? WTH is going on?

 

[DizzyB]

It’s pretty quiet. No news, a rumor that did not cause a hullabaloo. We have hashed and rehashed the little that is fact.

 

[rainbowshummingbird]

I'm curious why you state this. Are there stories about BM being a vindictive person? I haven't heard anything like that.

I do not know anything about stories, but if Barry is found to be responsible for Suzanne’s death, then I would say he is vindictive. IMO

 

[10ofRods]

I agree, this happens frequently. IMO even if BM is a suspect, the minor has never been safer. This home is under a watchful eye, more than it ever has been.

This hurts to read, as extensive suicide is a real thing and only takes seconds. We have no idea what's really going on, so for now, I think saying the minors have never been safer is very odd.

If BM is the actual culprit, his future behavior is not known to any of us, but murderers in general are capable of things the rest of us do not predict or understand.

"Watchful eye" by whom? You think there are police inside the house? I don't. You think they're in the driveway? I don't. It's an 8 acre property. Quite secluded.

Suspects do all kinds of horrible things, we all hope that if they decide to off themselves, they don't take anyone else with them.

 

[10ofRods]

The fact that she is a earpod user makes me happy. That means she uses her cellphone music and stuffs a lot on the cellphone. I wonder what they found. Jmo

Or she plays it off her apple watch, which is what many bikers and runners do. Many leave their cellphones at home while bicycling. If the watch is never repaired with the phone, the data on the watch is not recoverable unless it's a watch with cellular (most are not).

 

[Janeumayer]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> A question for our experts:

How much time would be needed for FBI/CBI to run analysis on any evidence they may have gathered thus far? Many of you have followed numerous cases over the years, is this timeline unusual? Now an interview about the case with a “supposed” cousin? WTH is going on?

IMO lab analysis must be already in. At least the preliminary tests.
In terms of technology evidence, sometimes there seems to be a wait on cell data analysis depending on the carrier. Also, if there was an issue trying to get into an iPhone that can cause delays. If not, there’s many ways of getting information from a phone through it’s apps (geolocation), the phone’s own accelerometer, etc.
Another, interesting item brought forward by a member are the EarPods which can be pinged to their last location.
Car data, I don’t know how long a tech takes to analyze it. But I doubt it would take much. Also, a car has other sensors and like a phone an accelerometer which help with providing lots of helpful information.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Yes, except some of the churches have bumped their livecast times earlier as they have become more comfortable with podcasting, and are typically experiencing twice the attendance of physical service. I caught the original sermon before it was archived, and have been using an 11:00 am service in my own version of the timeline. JMO

Couldn't find any 11.00 am sessions for GC just the 9.00 am and 10.45 am from last year up until March 1, and after that it seems to just be the 9.00 am online youtube ones, still in place on Mother's Day, but yeah, sounds like some the churches were getting a lot of online viewers, and MOO
Adding: The 9.00 am one would be the choice of anyone who wants to head out for the day I reckon, 10.45 one, your day's half gone already ... just my thoughts

 

[Itsapuzzle]

From SM's FB page:

The photo of her with her hand on her head was first posted on her FB on 08.03.19 Suzanne Morphew

The photo of her sitting at an outdoor cafe, isn't on her FB but all the MSM articles I've seen source it from the CCSO. So, we really don't know when that pic was taken but the other was almost a year ago at least (based on the date posted - it could actually be much older).

Great, thanks for dating that photo Ontario Mom, so that one's not too old then, if it was uploaded soon after it was taken.

 

[10ofRods]

I know you're not knocking her. This probably won't be received well here, but the lack of precise physical description makes me think that early on maybe they weren't looking for her as a live, missing person or for "when did you last see this woman?". Maybe they already knew or had a good idea of where she was or what happened. When they were searching the trails and growth, there wasn't a need because she either would have been found or she wouldn't. Not sure how else to word this but in the beginning, any female found alive or deceased would be easily identified.

I know what you're saying regarding height, weight, hair color, etc. Maybe they didn't want to restrict anyone's memory by giving a definite description other than her photos. People might discount seeing her because to them, she didn't look as tall or blonde or fat or thin like the description said. People misjudge and misremember. A 'missing woman' lets people be open to a wider memory and no preconceived idea of what she looks like other than the photos. Broadcast that she's 5' 11" 105 lbs and people will still swear they saw her, but "she was so much shorter and stockier than described".

I also think that if she looked significantly different than the photos on the flyers, either it would have been mentioned or more recent photos used if there are any.

I think those things, but I have no idea why they haven't described her in a traditional way. If they thought it would help, I feel sure they would have described her in those terms when they asked for information. They know what they're doing.

I'm not sure why you think your view would be unpopular, as people have been saying exactly what you said in your first paragraph since the earliest threads here on WS.

Most of us think that LE's behavior shows they know a great deal than they're saying and past the first 24-48 hours, there was never a serious attempt to treat this as a possible abduction or a big cat slaying or even wilderness misadventure.

Of course they needed to search trails and underbrush, because it's not known where her body is. Deceased people are not always easily identified, it depends on what happened to them and when they are found.

The pictures that have been put out are obviously intended to prompt people to call in tips/look for Suzanne. I think there's also another reason: LE wants us to care about Suzanne. The family isn't having pressers, the family doesn't update their FB page, the family has not spoken. Suzanne needs to be remembered.

How would LE know what Suzanne looked like, in order to decide to tell the public she looked different? What if there are no recent pictures of her? What if no one (except BM) had seen her for a month or more?

The reason LE isn't investing in anything other than gathering tips is that they do not believe the public can help find Suzanne's body. And I agree with you that LE has reason to think this.

We just all wish we knew what the reasons are. Even the best guessers here haven't really made inroads on this crucial part of the case. What in the world made LE decide to handle it this way?

There has to be something. My hunch is that this crime took place in such a way that the digital footprint of the killer has big gaps in it, such that Suzanne could be very far away from Puma Path.

 

[Janeumayer]

How does GPS work on my phone?
Here’s an article explaining how gps works. I always love to learn new things.

 

[Feistyomi]

Iiiiiimmmm, back! I know everyone has missed me, and you probably thought I was taking a mental health day, or something like that.
You’d be partially correct, even so, I never stop sleuthing...
I left home at approximately 1:30, dr appt, hair appt, yes still driving to Ga.
back in Cola, sitting in the parking lot, eating my Chik Fila sandwich (regional fast food), phone rings, my guy calling to check on me. 8:15. I’ve been gone, just under 7 hours?!
My point, it is quite possible BM, could have left SM that morning, got wrapped up in the job in Denver, not even thought about SM until the girls called him.
Second point, for those of us who remember the pre-cell phone days, we have all gotten a little lax about checking on each other. I may review that policy w/ my SO, hmmmmpf.
We expect our loved ones to be able to reach their phone and CALL us.
OK, so I only thought of all this as I sat there, wondering, whether he was worrying. I wasn’t going to CALL him, going let him worry another 15 mins.
My guy loves me, he does incredibly nice things for me, but he’s not perfect. I doubt BM is perfect, either.
Truthfully, I did not set out to test my husband today, it just occurred to me as the phone rang. Now, if I had let it just ring, my husbands anxiety level would have risen.
This is what I speculate happened that MD.
I doubt BM had given much thought to Suzanne, that day. It was just another day, he may have already done something in advance. The girls called, he got a little worried, he probably didn’t get too worried until the neighbor alerts that the car is home, bike gone. The panic sets in as he’s driving.
IMO, if he HAD done something to SM, he probably would have taken all the various steps we thought a loving husband /person would do, he would have over reacted. He would have rehearsed them in advance. MOO
Anxiety turns into guilt as the hours, days pass. By the first video he is almost a basket case. There wasn’t anything slick and rehearsed about this video, and in the days to come, I’m afraid we will look back and see the pain, and yes guilt, but not for causing her disappearance.

 

[MassGuy]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> A question for our experts:

How much time would be needed for FBI/CBI to run analysis on any evidence they may have gathered thus far? Many of you have followed numerous cases over the years, is this timeline unusual? Now an interview about the case with a “supposed” cousin? WTH is going on?

Using the Berreth and Stauch cases as a guide, it’s likely that much of that is done.

Even so, without a body, it is going to be very difficult to prove that the underlying crime is murder.

In a case like this, time is actually law enforcement’s friend. The longer she is missing, the more likely it is that she is dead (in a no body case).

There is also the possibility that a miracle could occur, and her body is found, or that someone makes a big mistake.

 

[JosieMae]

The big question, of course, is: where is SM? But the second biggest might be: what caused LE to quickly conclude that SM was not missing voluntarily, abducted, or the victim of an accident?

The answer has to be compelling in the extreme. I hope we learn what it is one day.

 

[oviedo]

Do you not find it curious that not one MSM reporter (or SM for that matter) has cited a search warrant issued (sealed or otherwise) according to Courthouse Clerk? No, they have not and have only cited what has been confirmed to them by LE and/or the PIO. Again, this is consistent with other cases we've followed in Colorado and perhaps due to the interpretation of Colorado law that differs from your own.

MOO

ETA: Many of us follow and/or have direct communication with local, Colorado reporters that's proven invaluable to WS. I think it's fair to say that WS members have also had an influence on reporters providing live question/answer FB sessions on cases. MOO

BBM - Yes very true - Sam Kramer and a few Others in this case - tweets are answered but we can’t discuss -
JMO

 

[TIGER0822]

That’s bc the youtuber set it all up. Now he’s covering his behind. Bet he’s being considered as an accessory after the fact. I’d be back pedaling as fast as I could go.

ETA: He’s been known to follow suspected perps, Idaho in the Daybell case, for example, and try to get them on camera. Whatever he records, and could help LE will be inadmissible as evidence. Anything from further investigation bc of leads from the videos will be inadmissible. Fruit of the poison tree. So now LE will have to have a different source to admit evidence at any legal proceedings, for search warrants, and rework their case. He’s potentially botching up the investigation. Probably why LE doesn’t call him back.

 

[TIGER0822]

Hi, I have listened and listened and listened to the Dad with a phone video. This link has the recording partially transcribed. But there is one section between approx. 4:30 - 5 mins. where they are talking about LE investigating BM. BM is saying how he is being investigated. TD replies well get your name cleared... In that section BM is mumbling. Could someone listen and try to figure out if BM is saying he has been cleared or he has not been cleared? Thank you

 

[oviedo]

I'm not sure why you think your view would be unpopular, as people have been saying exactly what you said in your first paragraph since the earliest threads here on WS.

Most of us think that LE's behavior shows they know a great deal than they're saying and past the first 24-48 hours, there was never a serious attempt to treat this as a possible abduction or a big cat slaying or even wilderness misadventure.

Of course they needed to search trails and underbrush, because it's not known where her body is. Deceased people are not always easily identified, it depends on what happened to them and when they are found.

The pictures that have been put out are obviously intended to prompt people to call in tips/look for Suzanne. I think there's also another reason: LE wants us to care about Suzanne. The family isn't having pressers, the family doesn't update their FB page, the family has not spoken. Suzanne needs to be remembered.

How would LE know what Suzanne looked like, in order to decide to tell the public she looked different? What if there are no recent pictures of her? What if no one (except BM) had seen her for a month or more?

The reason LE isn't investing in anything other than gathering tips is that they do not believe the public can help find Suzanne's body. And I agree with you that LE has reason to think this.

We just all wish we knew what the reasons are. Even the best guessers here haven't really made inroads on this crucial part of the case. What in the world made LE decide to handle it this way?

There has to be something. My hunch is that this crime took place in such a way that the digital footprint of the killer has big gaps in it, such that Suzanne could be very far away from Puma Path.

I’m guessing by now -8 weeks in my estimation - LE has some Forensic data back on computer hard drives, cell phones including hers (although not mentioned being found) and GPS from family vehicles plus video Of possible movements of important people IMO and all of it is coming together to find Suzanne Or at least determine her movements and when they stopped - while I’m losing hope she Will be found I do think she will get justice ...eventually
JMO

 

[TKG]

This hurts to read, as extensive suicide is a real thing and only takes seconds. We have no idea what's really going on, so for now, I think saying the minors have never been safer is very odd.

If BM is the actual culprit, his future behavior is not known to any of us, but murderers in general are capable of things the rest of us do not predict or understand.

"Watchful eye" by whom? You think there are police inside the house? I don't. You think they're in the driveway? I don't. It's an 8 acre property. Quite secluded.

Suspects do all kinds of horrible things, we all hope that if they decide to off themselves, they don't take anyone else with them.

I think your point is a good one and one I overlooked. Thank you for pointing out the very serious possibility of suicide, which I pray never enters This equation.

I simply meant the home is certainly under more scrutiny than it ever has been. Some may be on their best behavior. However, you’re right. They could also be triggered to become more violent. Crossing fingers and hoping for some answers..

 

[oviedo]

Using the Berreth and Stauch cases as a guide, it’s likely that much of that is done.

Even so, without a body, it is going to be very difficult to prove that the underlying crime is murder.

In a case like this, time is actually law enforcement’s friend. The longer she is missing, the more likely it is that she is dead (in a no body case).

There is also the possibility that a miracle could occur, and her body is found, or that someone makes a big mistake.

I remain hopeful that the house cleanup was bad -much like Jennifer’s case - and that’s what helped them discount the animal attack and the abduction but it’s not enough for an arrest - in the wise words of our @riolove77 -“we only get one bite of the apple” So we wait
JMO

 

[marylamby]

That’s bc the youtuber set it all up. Now he’s covering his behind. Bet he’s being considered as an accessory after the fact. I’d be back pedaling as fast as I could go.

ETA: He’s been known to follow suspected perps, Idaho in the Daybell case, for example, and try to get them on camera. Whatever he records, and could help LE will be inadmissible as evidence. Anything from further investigation bc of leads from the videos will be inadmissible. Fruit of the poison tree. So now LE will have to have a different source to admit evidence at any legal proceedings, for search warrants, and rework their case. He’s potentially botching up the investigation. Probably why LE doesn’t call him back.

Are you an attorney? I'd really appreciate one chiming in on this.