Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #26

[Seattle1]

The Commonwealth of Virginia has a guardianship section in its laws, but nowhere is it said that a missing person can fall under the guidelines and be assigned a conservator. I'm assuming that Virginia uses a durable power of attorney (or something similar), as you stated, and only for very limited actions (like selling the Indiana property where the sale was already in progress) to help the missing person's family meet its obligations. IMO, turning around and buying more property to build on does NOT qualify.

I think that maybe, just maybe, the judge is going to deny a continuation of this conservatorship.
(edit: Not a lawyer, don't even play one on TV.)

Exactly -- a limited Power of Attorney for a specifically identified piece of property is very common (and SM/BM had a history of using this).

I opted for a Durable Power of Attorney in my example as it best compares to the powers a Guardian has when managing the affairs of their ward.

I agree. I'm very anxious to learn how to court will respond to the quitclaiming of joint property to yourself (signing for SM as her Guardian), and purchasing Colorado property.

 

[Ashildir]

Forfeiture Rule. Slayer Statute?
@Ashildir By forfeiture rule, are you referring to English common law rule against slayers inheriting after causing death of another or United Kingdom's Forfeiture Act 1982? Yep, (all /virtually all?) U.S. states have legislation to this effect.*
But typically applies only after criminal homicide conviction or after wrongful death action in civil court. Sooooo afaik, not to guardianships where the protected person/ward is missing/absent/cannot be located, i.e., not known to be or declared dead.
Will post more later today re specifics for CO. my2cts.
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* "The slayer rule, in the common law of inheritance, stops a person inheriting property from a person they murder (e.g., a murderer does not inherit from parents or a spouse they killed). In figuring inheritance of the decedent's estate, the slayer is treated as though they had died before the person they murdered, hence the murderer's share of the estate would pass to their[clarification needed] issue.
While a criminal conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the slayer rule applies to civil law, not criminal law, so the prosecutor must only prove the murder by a preponderance of the evidence, as in a wrongful death claim. Hence, even a slayer who is acquitted of the crime of murder can lose the inheritance by the civil court running the estate."
Slayer rule - Wikipedia
See also Slayer Rule, cornell.edu/wex/slayer_rule

Thanks for the reply - is there no law/legislation that could be applied to a case like this one with regards to guardianship?

 

[Knox]

Does Google Map remove a home address in advance of a property being assigned a new address?

We saw changes of address in JF's and AS's, prior to those homes being relisted for sale/rent.

Or maybe unpinning an address isn't complicated or indicative.

Google search has yet to supply an answer.

Just my opinion, just my questions

I see you can request a blur of certain images, so I guess you can also request "unpinning" a location for personal safety reasons.

 

[K9Enzo]

IMO, if the Morphew home address was removed by "them", I totally understand why.

It would be very unnerving (to me) to have my address plotted on-line by various sites, pages, etc. Assuming this is what happened and why.

 

[Dylansmom08]

So in my understanding we have no confirmation that Suzanne even went on a bike ride? That was all based off of husbands statements and the location where her bike was found as well as whatever personal items were found. I'm curious to find out if they had security cameras around their property or on the house which could pin down when exactly she left home or anyone elses movements around the home leading up to her leaving. I can bet that if LE does have that information they are not going to release it just yet but I wish they would give us something to go on instead of leaving everyone in the dark. We're trying to help but with so little to go on it's making it very hard to do anything but speculate and I don't like speculation I deal in facts and proof.

 

[Boxer]

Exactly -- a limited Power of Attorney for a specifically identified piece of property is very common (and SM/BM had a history of using this).

I opted for a Durable Power of Attorney in my example as it best compares to the powers a Guardian has when managing the affairs of their ward.

I agree. I'm very anxious to learn how to court will respond to the quitclaiming of joint property to yourself (signing for SM as her Guardian), and purchasing Colorado property.

Sounds like the process for a living spouse or the physician attended natural death, not of a woman mysteriously missing from her remote mountain house shared with her husband. Last known contact Saturday evening, 5/9.

 

[Backstroke10]

IMO, if the Morphew home address was removed by "them", I totally understand why.

It would be very unnerving (to me) to have my address plotted on-line by various sites, pages, etc. Assuming this is what happened and why.

I can see your point and it would make sense in some high profile cases. However, in this case, it bothers me. She’s still considered a missing person. I guess Barry isn’t concerned with the “abductor” knowing where to drop Suzanne off and collect the reward money. MOO
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[Knox]

I can see your point and it would make sense in some high profile cases. However, in this case, it bothers me. She’s still considered a missing person. I guess Barry isn’t concerned with the “abductor” knowing where to drop Suzanne off and collect the reward money. MOO
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I get what you're saying, but there is the girls safety to think of. Hopefully the looky-loo traffic has subsided, but I'd sure put up a gate at the Y if I were them.

 

[K9Enzo]

I can see your point and it would make sense in some high profile cases. However, in this case, it bothers me. She’s still considered a missing person. I guess Barry isn’t concerned with the “abductor” knowing where to drop Suzanne off and collect the reward money. MOO
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Let's face it, an abductor is not dropping off a victim at their home anyway and reward money is a waste of time (IMO).

 

[LietKynes]

I can see your point and it would make sense in some high profile cases. However, in this case, it bothers me. She’s still considered a missing person. I guess Barry isn’t concerned with the “abductor” knowing where to drop Suzanne off and collect the reward money. MOO
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bbm
Speculation :
I don't think that reward money was ever intended to be paid.
And that someone knows there is no abductor.
Imo.

 

[Backstroke10]

No doubt. I was being facetious.

Let's face it, an abductor is not dropping off a victim at their home anyway and reward money is a waste of time (IMO).

bbm
Speculation :
I don't think that reward money was ever intended to be paid.
And that someone knows there is no abductor.
Imo.

 

[303gmf]

interesting it now just says Puma Path?

Odd!?
Wonder if an online order shipped would UPS or FedEx be cool with no number?

 

[Backstroke10]

I remember going to Boulder many years ago and making my family drive by the Ramsey house. You both have valid points. MOO

IMO, if the Morphew home address was removed by "them", I totally understand why.

It would be very unnerving (to me) to have my address plotted on-line by various sites, pages, etc. Assuming this is what happened and why.

I get what you're saying, but there is the girls safety to think of. Hopefully the looky-loo traffic has subsided, but I'd sure put up a gate at the Y if I were them.

 

[303gmf]

IMO, if the Morphew home address was removed by "them", I totally understand why.

It would be very unnerving (to me) to have my address plotted on-line by various sites, pages, etc. Assuming this is what happened and why.

If typed into my Safari all the realty listings show up, photos and all

 

[Boxer]

Dbm

No doubt. I was being facetious.

A quick trip to a crime stopper website would have shown how to word a reward.
Unless an agent turned off the address, someone close to BM has the internet savvy to turn off a Google Maps address, MOO could that person not have made proper missing fliers on 5/13, or written a functional reward offer?

 

[Knox]

No doubt. I was being facetious.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I get what you're saying, but there is the girls safety to think of. Hopefully the looky-loo traffic has subsided, but I'd sure put up a gate at the Y if I were them.

Perhaps an outside surveillance system that works exceptionally would also be appropriate?

 

[NoSI]

I can see your point and it would make sense in some high profile cases. However, in this case, it bothers me. She’s still considered a missing person. I guess Barry isn’t concerned with the “abductor” knowing where to drop Suzanne off and collect the reward money. MOO
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I agree with you! I find it troublesome as well. It feels to me like someone wanting to erase places etc connected to this case. Making it harder to connect things. I am not explaining myself well. But i almost feel angry...

 

[NoSI]

I agree with you! I find it troublesome as well. It feels to me like someone wanting to erase places etc connected to this case. Making it harder to connect things. I am not explaining myself well. But i almost feel angry...

Oh... better way of putting it... It feels like someone is attempting to erase Suzanne more and more and more...

 

[happyday]

Yes, what you are saying could happen. If the Moormans want things put on hold, they can file a request to take part in the hearing. Like I said in a post about a week ago, if they did that, then their attorney could also possibly call Barry as a witness and ask him questions under oath.

On the flip side -- as @Knox pointed out last week -- the Moormans may value their relationship with the Morphew daughters more than they value any property that may come under the control of Barry as guardian. They may reasonably fear that interference in the guardianship proceeding may disturb that relationship and -- as a result -- are willing to allow the guardianship to go ahead as long as their relationship with the daughters is preserved.

Thank you for the explanation. The Moormans are in such a terrible position. I can’t even imagine. I hope they’re all aware of their options and timeframe.

They shouldn’t have to be thinking about this on top of everything else. There’s technically legal and there’s decency, and IMO petitioning for permanent guardianship at this time is NOT decent.