Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #28

[marylamby]

Fishy Elements of IN Real Est Sale?
@marylamby Sorry to be dense, but is ^ post saying or suggesting ---
Q. #1. there was no pending sale/'under contract'/'part 1' of the IN real est transaction, before SM's disappearance, or if there was, it was bogus?
Q.#2. And then after SM's disappearance, that the real est sale was 'closed' /'part 2' when BM digitally signed deed w his name and siggy and w SM's name and siggy w no indication that he was a ct-appted guardian, to convey title to buyer?
But if ^ so and BM intended to fake her name and siggy for part 2, why would he bother to file for G'ship at that time, purportedly to close the sale? Why bother, if his plan was to do a bogus (as to SM's participation) digital close?

Q. #3. AND, why set up a phoney-baloney sale to a friend or fam member, w. either no $$$ being paid, or w $ amt substantially below FMV? If you think, like some here, BM needed those IN sales proceeds to buy Salida area subdivision lot, then wouldn't actual $$$ need to be provided to BM, to pay for it?

Q. #4. If there was an MLS (or equivalent) listing by an agent, then would r/e agent and r/e brokerage willingly 'go w the bogus flow' to participate in sham transaction? And pass up commission?

Q. #5. Ditto, title ins. co?

@marylamby, if I have misunderstood your post, I apologize. Heading to kitchen for more coffee.

I'm the dense one who's trying to decipher your questions, LOL!

I'm sorry my post is so unclear as I was parlaying off of a couple of posts.

Let me preface this to say that I believe there's confusion as to which property was being considered in the application for SM's incapacitation hearing.
It wasn't their home in IN. That was sold over a year ago. I posted the sale by a public RE site previously but it was deleted.

I don't know which property BM did get granted POA over, they have/had many, or if any other properties have been sold since.

I asked @Hair if the Dog where she/he found contract info on whichever property but haven't heard back yet, that I know of, as I've been busy the last couple of hours.

In NY, you can list a home with only one signature on a joint property. To go into contract, you need both and of course, for the sale.
I don't know where this property stood in the timeline, as far as having gone into contract or not.
Was it already in contract before SM went missing? That's why I inquired about contract info, on the property in question and I don't know RE law in IN as to whether you need two signatures to go into contract.
Of course, you'd need two to sell but then that was taken care of by BM.

I didn't bring up any forged signatures, that was someone else, however, anything's possible (and happens) - especially possible during a lockdown with virtual contracts/sales in other states.

As to the sale to a family member? Would that be bogus? Absolutely not, totally legal.
The deed is then, also legally, transferred back to the seller on a later date and sold at the higher market value.

*The big difference in this case, if it is the case, is that the seller is now the sole owner.

I've never seen a RE broker handle both seller's and buyer's interests. As I said before, I'd love to know if the same lawyer handled both.

Thanks a lot, now I think I'M confused!

This is 100% speculation, IMO and only a question I've had in my mind since BM garnered the POA.

 

[ivegotthemic]

@Puzzles8 in Indiana BM had to file a petition with the court to gain legal guardianship over her due to incapacity. (its on the docket but i dont know the exact day) When approved he would be allowed to sell at his discretion. Once he finished his financial transactions in Indiana he can file a petition with the Colorado court to have the guard ship apply in the state. From that statutes I read it seems like state generally will respect another states guardianship finding unless something is clearly egregious. The Colorado law seems alot more liberal IMO and anyone with "personal interest" could file a claim if they think BM is being reckless with this role. So SMs family could potential file to have him removed if he decides to transfer the guardianship. unfortunately i was really able to find anything more specific about the appeals process so im not sure what would be required.

And honestly so flattered you asked me @Puzzles8

 

[PaulaDC]

I wonder who made the search plan up for the search that AM said he thinks he walked 20 yards from the said personal item that LE found at a later time. Was BM searching with AM at that search? I'm getting suspicious feeling that they were "supposed" to see/find that item.
Also it seems strange that when AM was there BM was down walking along the creek. Isn't that what TD said? He thought BM was wet and had been in the creek?
Is it me or does it seem all the searches BM wants/did are [motioning with arm] up that way. moo

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Does ANYONE here actually believe SM went on that bike ride??

Not me!

 

[ivegotthemic]

@ivegotthemic and Indiana attorneys:

Can you shed some light on Indiana property law? Is it a community property state? Even if a property is in SM's name, what is their legal ownership interest? What about property she/they own in Colorado?

TIA

Also there was a really nice attorney from Indiana on the thread, and unfortunately I cant remember her name, but she said she knew the judge ruling on the case and hes well respected, and wouldnt grant the guardianship if the legal requirements

 

[Snowflake_Sue]

I wonder who made the search plan up for the search that AM said he thinks he walked 20 yards from the said personal item that LE found at a later time. Was BM searching with AM at that search? I'm getting suspicious feeling that they were "supposed" to see/find that item.
Also it seems strange that when AM was there BM was down walking along the creek. Isn't that what TD said? He thought BM was wet and had been in the creek?
Is it me or does it seem all the searches BM wants/did are [motioning with arm] up that way. moo

So many questions. If only Barry was teaming up with Law Enforcement! Why was BM so eager to lead Tyson Draper away from the bridge and river when he was still supposedly searching it himself.

 

[allyoucantleavebehind]

That came from Suzanne's brother Andy, first hand from Barry then to Chris McDonough at Profiling Evil. Hearsay to us but not to Andy Moorman.

@Snowflake_Sue saves the day!!! Thank YOU.

 

[marylamby]

I posted this on the Profiling Evil youtube vid with Suzanne's brother Andy, so please forgive the repeat of MOO here. Anyways - if Barry won't even consider or assist in the 3rd party abduction scenario because it means he has to imagine "someone else doing things to Suzanne", then he's giving that person a head-start AND bonus time. He's not absolving himself in any way either. We can only wonder what a force BM/any husband might be to track that person down.

Add to that, he'd prefer her to have been eaten by a mountain lion than having been abducted? Then why the plea to her abductors in his brief facebook video?
Women have been known to talk their way out of being held captive or escape, especially when they have children.

 

[marylamby]

You are welcome. I just don’t understand how the Indiana house would transfer from solely Suzanne’s name. I’m down a rabbit hole trying to figure out these house transactions. They may not be relevant, but we just don’t know.

ETA: Looks like this was all discussed back in Thread 12, starting maybe around page 42 or so. He must have been awarded a temporary guardianship.

Where are you getting the deed/sale info from? I'm very interested in the transactions!!!
I think they may be VERY relevant.

ETA: I just saw your link, thanks! Is that all of it? I'm going to check it out now.

ETA2: It IS the Morphew IN home! They x-fered the property to themselves??
back in 5/19 and then sold it to the new owners in 7/20.
Very confusing.
Okay, so the $$ is all his now.

 

[allyoucantleavebehind]

Yes. I understood he could set up for his crew, and let them carry on while he went home. Most likely returning on Friday to sign off on the completion. MOO

Hmmm. Maybe. Thinking aloud. MOO. BM has never suggested that he was going to work on a job and be home that night. It never sounded like a day trip. Enter the use of hotel to house tools--would those stay there during the week? Would all the workers have access to the hotel/motel room to use tools if he wasn't there? The whole job story is strange and unclear apart from the job description itself--fixing a wall. To my knowledge, we don't yet have evidence that BM did that--we do have evidence that he SAID he was GOING TO do that (which feels different).

Why on earth wouldn't BM mention that he was planning to go and set up and then come back that night to be with Suzanne on Mother's Day--if that was the plan? Why wouldn't that come up in any public statement? It sounds like the sort of thing he'd love to be able to claim but for some reason he didn't or hasn't. He made vague references to firefighter training then specific references to a job with a wall that I'm not sure he ever planned to finish or even start? He knew he was going to get "called back" when Suzanne didn't answer the daughter's texts on Mother's Day. He knew he wasn't going to get to finish that job.

Still thinking aloud. And wondering:

1. When did BM contact Colorado Springs client about fixing his wall? Was it Friday night, Saturday morning--or earlier? That is an alibi/timeline question.
2. Did BM even have time to assemble his crew for the wall job? Or did he know that he wasn't going to have to bother because Suzanne would disappear and he would be back home that night?

(@Megnut this is kind of related to what you posted as well so looping you...

 

[ivegotthemic]

Add to that, he'd prefer her to have been eaten by a mountain lion than having been abducted? Then why the plea to her abductors in his brief facebook video?
Women have been known to talk their way out of being held captive or escape, especially when they have children.

Yeah but hes trust in Gods plan, so

Where are you getting the deed/sale info from? I'm very interested in the transactions!!!
I think they may be VERY relevant.

ETA: I just saw your link, thanks! Is that all of it? I'm going to check it out now.

Im pretty sure the title is in both of their names. Since theye were joint owners he could not sell the property without her okay which is why hes filing for guardianship. It gives him the power to decide financial issues on behalf of SM

 

[Snowflake_Sue]

Add to that, he'd prefer her to have been eaten by a mountain lion than having been abducted? Then why the plea to her abductors in his brief facebook video?
Women have been known to talk their way out of being held captive or escape, especially when they have children.

IKR? So he'd prefer her mauled and clawed to death rather than get on board. Perish even the thought! RED FLAG! Hence, thanks Barry and mates, for searching that ditch so proper and properly y'all. Now sod off, as they say in England.

 

[ivegotthemic]

IKR? So he'd prefer her mauled and clawed to death but not raped. Perish even the thought someone else is having their way with the love of his life. By the way Barry and mates, thanks for searching that ditch so properly y'all.

So my internet went do right before I sent a hilarious but sassy joke. Im going to take a sign from the big man and head out. Night party peeps!

 

[marylamby]

Yeah but hes trust in Gods plan, so

Im pretty sure the title is in both of their names. Since theye were joint owners he could not sell the property without her okay which is why hes filing for guardianship. It gives him the power to decide financial issues on behalf of SM

Yes, thanks. I'd love to know which property someone else is talking about that's supposedly only in SM's name. Can't remember who said it.

 

[ivegotthemic]

Yes, thanks. I'd love to know which property someone else is talking about that's supposedly only in SM's name. Can't remember who said it.

It was a 9 acre home/ farm in upper Michigan (aka the middle of nowhere)

 

[marylamby]

It was a 9 acre home/ farm in upper Michigan (aka the middle of nowhere)

Thanks again, @ivegotthemic !

 

[BeckyF]

It was only when CBI traveled to IN that the Moorman's learned the truth. BM previously told SM's family that he'd been completely vetted up/down/sideways by LE and was cleared. The trip by CBI was a total awakening for them.

So prior to CBI going to IN to speak with the Moorman's, they did not know that he was pulling the wool over their eyes?

If someone in Moorman family had contacted CBI prior to their visit to IN, would they have found out this information?

These are somewhat rhetorical questions but... was this the strategy of CBI to keep these falsehoods to themselves until when???

 

[MassGuy]

So prior to CBI going to IN to speak with the Moorman's, they did not know that he was pulling the wool over their eyes?

If someone in Moorman family had contacted CBI prior to their visit to IN, would they have found out this information?

These are somewhat rhetorical questions but... was this the strategy of CBI to keep these falsehoods to themselves until when???

I think it may have been used to gain information that they perhaps otherwise might not receive.

Once the CBI made it clear to the Moorman’s during their visit that Barry was not only lying to them, but was in fact a suspect, it might have caused the family to view things in a different light.

Things they might not otherwise have found suspicious, now took on new significance. They would then share things they probably wouldn’t have, had they not been privy to this information.

It would make them comfortable voicing their suspicions, especially if they were initially protective of Barry.

“Now that I think of it...”

 

[BeckyF]

I think it may have been used to gain information that they perhaps otherwise might not receive.

Once the CBI made it clear to the Moorman’s during their visit that Barry was not only lying to them, but was in fact a suspect, it might have caused the family to view things in a different light.

Things they might not otherwise have found suspicious, now took on new significance. They would then share things they probably wouldn’t have, had they not been privy to this information.

It would make them comfortable sharing their suspicions, especially if they were initially protective of Barry.

“Now that I think of it...”

I sure hope you are right. And I sure hope it helps the investigation. Thank you as always.

 

[Sillybilly]

This lands at random.

As there doesn't appear to be any MSM or approved source provided to support that the girls were on the camping trip with Barry's sister, all posts in that regard have been removed.