Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #32

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Dbm
 
  • #802
DBM. Not confirmed.
 
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What I visualize in my head on BM, is tough for me to describe - mainly because I lack the nomenclature, training and verbiage. I think that he utilizes emotion, but either doesn't understand them, or doesn't really feel them at all. It's like having a toolbox full of tools, but not knowing what they are supposed to be used for. So, in many cases, things look like a nail and the hammer is brought out. IMO, this does not develop over night. The question for me becomes, what is the make-up of the person using the tools? What type of cold calculating things are going on with the conductor using these tools? I don't view this as suddenly snapping or "losing his mind". It does really make me wonder what this was about. Something threatened his survival. I'm not quite there as far as that being a marital issue.

This is MOO. Skewer away, please. It is how I learn, and helps make me a better thinker :)
 
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What I visualize in my head on BM, is tough for me to describe - mainly because I lack the nomenclature, training and verbiage. I think that he utilizes emotion, but either doesn't understand them, or doesn't really feel them at all. It's like having a toolbox full of tools, but not knowing what they are supposed to be used for. So, in many cases, things look like a nail and the hammer is brought out. IMO, this does not develop over night. The question for me becomes, what is the make-up of the person using the tools? What type of cold calculating things are going on with the conductor using these tools? I don't view this as suddenly snapping or "losing his mind". It does really make me wonder what this was about. Something threatened his survival. I'm not quite there as far as that being a marital issue.

This is MOO. Skewer away, please. It is how I learn, and helps make me a better thinker :)
Our @Barry, you're asking the same thing many of us are trying to figure out. How did he make that leap?

We like our Barry. :)
 
  • #806
What I visualize in my head on BM, is tough for me to describe - mainly because I lack the nomenclature, training and verbiage. I think that he utilizes emotion, but either doesn't understand them, or doesn't really feel them at all. It's like having a toolbox full of tools, but not knowing what they are supposed to be used for. So, in many cases, things look like a nail and the hammer is brought out. IMO, this does not develop over night. The question for me becomes, what is the make-up of the person using the tools? What type of cold calculating things are going on with the conductor using these tools? I don't view this as suddenly snapping or "losing his mind". It does really make me wonder what this was about. Something threatened his survival. I'm not quite there as far as that being a marital issue.

This is MOO. Skewer away, please. It is how I learn, and helps make me a better thinker :)

Great post, well expressed. I think you picked up on a trait, modus operandi, of BM. He has probably successfully used anger to intimidate and get his way from childhood.

It can be very effective and a learned behavior that would be reinforced over time, resulting in his habitual use of said emotion. His go to, knee jerk, tool whenever he was threatened.

I think Suzanne did something very threatening to his ego. I hope he erupted and killed her within seconds. But I fear that he may have hurt her, then decided that murder was his only solution to avoid his consequences.
Moo
 
  • #807
What if the oldest daughter expressed an interest in a college in Colorado? Previous trips sparked an interest in the next phase of their life? Or perhaps Barry wanted to move there and made sure the oldest went to college close by. JMO

From SM's twitter, there's evidence that the Morphew's were traveling to Colorado as early as 2014 -- 4 years prior to relocating. From SM's family, we learned early that the move to CO was known as their retirement plan.

I recall that BM's nephew (TN) was also already living in Colorado prior to the family move. With speculation that BM's was planning to build a house for his mom, perhaps migration to Colorado was always in their future.

Southern Colorado especially (and the dry heat) has always been attractive to retirees. It's been on my list since my University days.

MOO
 
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MOD NOTE:

Please STOP with the social media rumors and sleuthing/posting personal information about people peripherally connected to this case, that have not been named as either victim or suspect.
Doing so is a direct violation of the rules.

Thank you.

ETA: to be perfectly clear, two co-workers besides the contractor JP have been named, but we only have their FIRST names, and nothing more. Neither of these people have been named suspects or victims, therefore they are off limits for sleuthing and posting about here on the forum, other than what was said about them in the MSM approved links.
 
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He went to the gym alot and he's quite muscular , could be taken steriods
 
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There are certain personality disorders wherein people go haywire (frantic) when someone tries to leave them. And, they may truly have a hard time handling any span of time where they are actually alone (they'll be on their phone, they'll pace around, they keep lots of friend groups, they go to the gym, etc etc)

Such people can decompensate (lose their minds) at mere hints that their main anchor is going to go someplace. It can be a fairly severe reaction if an anchor is leaving permanently (including harm of others or self-harm).

The degree of mental instability that some individuals show can be quite shocking to those near to them. For example, the first time I tried to break up with my first husband, he reacted by running up to the roof of the place we were living and stomping on a skylight.

There are quite a few clues that BM is capable of similar over-reactions. If he got physically violent over a small slight at a construction site (despite it affecting his business adversely), I can only imagine what he'd do over a real slight (if Suzanne had refused to move to CO, if Suzanne wanted to travel independently, if Suzanne actually hinted in any way that she might leave - keeping in mind that it's possible that almost any independent action, including bike rides, might be viewed with acute anxiety by BM).

(like Suzanne, I was quite young when we got together; like Suzanne I had faith that God would never put me in harm's way and that God had a plan for my life...I was 19 at the time of the above incident).
 
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I think there is a huge gaping hole around motive. If we assume that there is a circumstantial case against BM, motive becomes a key (unless the prosecution wants to argue it was an accidental death that was subsequently covered up, which presents its own set of challenges). No prosecutor is going to take on a case where they are going to argue "we don't know how he did it, or why he did it - but we know he did it!", MOO.

Murder is a desperate act. IMO, the prosecution is going to have to put together a narrative that includes desperation on the part of BM. I don't think an impending divorce or infidelity, in a vacuum, equals desperation (it's pretty easy to point to the millions of times these things happen every year that don't lead to murder). In order to present a strong case, the prosecution is going to need to find either a toxic combination of factors or possibly a 'smoking gun' as far as motive is concerned. MOO, JMO.
 
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I think there is a huge gaping hole around motive. If we assume that there is a circumstantial case against BM, motive becomes a key (unless the prosecution wants to argue it was an accidental death that was subsequently covered up, which presents its own set of challenges). No prosecutor is going to take on a case where they are going to argue "we don't know how he did it, or why he did it - but we know he did it!", MOO.

Murder is a desperate act. IMO, the prosecution is going to have to put together a narrative that includes desperation on the part of BM. I don't think an impending divorce or infidelity, in a vacuum, equals desperation (it's pretty easy to point to the millions of times these things happen every year that don't lead to murder). In order to present a strong case, the prosecution is going to need to find either a toxic combination of factors or possibly a 'smoking gun' as far as motive is concerned. MOO, JMO.
BBM: Thank you. This is the very thing that I am getting hung up on.
 
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Statistically, men in their early 50's, with essentially a clean no record, don't enter
the world of illegal activity (OP i.e., selling, using or trafficking drugs or money laundering) when they have so much to lose. I just don't see BM the exception to the rule. MOO

Statistically, though, many people in the trades do pay workers under the table (or violate other labor laws) and don't think a thing about it. It happens in both the private and public spheres. I've seen CEO's get taken down after years of abuses, which were carefully hidden until they weren't hidden any more. I've seen CEO's go after whistleblowers with such a vengeance that all opposition to their practices ceased.

Even in education, there are faculty and managers who habitually break laws or policies and do so for years. It's very difficult to get enough evidence to bring them down. Most people who find themselves working for such people try to find a new job (while still getting a positive reco from the Bad Boss).

I have a very good friend who, like a bulldog, did not relent until a certain CEO was fired (it was dramatic!) and that CEO still drunk-texts her (and others) with vague threats, as she sits unemployed in her fancy condo. CEO is still getting mega-retirement benefits.

It is simply not uncommon for people to work under the table (or to pay for such work) for decades. Almost every contractor we've had at our house has got something like that going on. After years of under-reporting cash, to these people it's just normal.

So there's no need to posit that BM suddenly turned to the dark side in his "employment" practices. I'd love to know if he filed 1099s for all these "coworkers" or whether he simply said, "Hey dudes and dudettes, you're working on a contract bases - you're self-employed subcontractors!"

(Like Uber has been trying to do...)
 
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I'm reminded of the case of Robert Ward, Orlando Fl., who killed his wife admittedly then changed the story to being accidental.
Their two college age daughters stuck by the dad through his trial. He was convicted and is in prison.
Dad was also the purse strings that paid for the
daughter's expensive hobbies (show horses)
and their college and living expenses.

I've often wondered if they still stick by their dad since I believe both girls are now married.
Very hard place to be for young girls.
 
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I think Suzanne did something very threatening to his ego. I hope he erupted and killed her within seconds. But I fear that he may have hurt her, then decided that murder was his only solution to avoid his consequences.
Moo
^^RSBM

The saddest part here is had BM struck and/or otherwise injured SM, he would see murdering SM and disappearing her his best option as opposed to seeking help for his injured spouse. Any sign of discord had to be obliterated immediately.

Understanding the priority BM's image demands can only be mind-boggling to normal people. As long as BM's body remains hidden, BM can play the victim. As an alleged or convicted murderer, BM can proclaim his innocence until his last breath whereas SM falling down the stairs and breaking her neck, not so easy to override. MOO
 
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BBM: Thank you. This is the very thing that I am getting hung up on.
If you're familiar with the Chris Watts case, he murdered his wife and the 2 baby daughters so
he could start a new life w/ his young girlfriend.
He wanted them out of the way.
Might be the same here, just not as clear cut YET.
 
  • #817
Could someone briefly explain....What is RTD and BM's association with it? Thanks!
 
  • #818
She’s a fill in, with no prosecutorial experience. The election is in November, and I’m worried we’ll have to wait until after that.

After November for a trial? Even if BM was arrested tomorrow, it would seem fairly quick to have a trial within a 2 month period. Would the defense be given all pertinent evidence and could they prepare their case within that time frame?
 
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IMO, it’s so clear that the motive was financially driven potentially exacerbated by a planned divorce.
 
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I think there is a huge gaping hole around motive. If we assume that there is a circumstantial case against BM, motive becomes a key (unless the prosecution wants to argue it was an accidental death that was subsequently covered up, which presents its own set of challenges). No prosecutor is going to take on a case where they are going to argue "we don't know how he did it, or why he did it - but we know he did it!", MOO.

Murder is a desperate act. IMO, the prosecution is going to have to put together a narrative that includes desperation on the part of BM. I don't think an impending divorce or infidelity, in a vacuum, equals desperation (it's pretty easy to point to the millions of times these things happen every year that don't lead to murder). In order to present a strong case, the prosecution is going to need to find either a toxic combination of factors or possibly a 'smoking gun' as far as motive is concerned. MOO, JMO.

[...] While the motives behind discrete crimes can be difficult at first to determine, investigators and psychologists generally agree that most often, the “why” can be boiled down to, in essence, three or four possible motivations. They range from jealousy to greed.

Former FBI Profiler Clint Van Zandt said in a 2006 NBC article that, while the most basic, immediate “why” of a murder can often quickly be determined, deeper motivations — what actually pushed the person over the line into violence — are not as easy to parse.


“The ‘whys’ that are hard to answer are the less obvious, the less sensible ones; the ones that prove to be the most difficult for us to understand,” Van Zandt said. “Motive is the reason, the why, sometimes the darkest chapter in the darkest book in the massive library we call the human mind.”
[..]


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