Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #33

[Megnut]

SPECULATION:

I imagine a Q&A between LE and BM, on or about May 11th.

LE: tell us what happened
BM: Let me tell you what happened. I was in Denver for fire training so it couldn't have been me who left her bike with the whee--
LE: when did you see Suzanne last?
BM: Sunday morning, 5am, when I left for Denver
LE: but how could you have seen her at 5am if you were away for the weekend, at training? Oh and we know there was no training.
BM: I know, that's why I decided to fix a wall.
LE: so you were home all night May 9/10?
BM: yes
LE: so why do we have evidence that suggests you were at a jobsite, running equipment at midnight?
BM: that's right. I was remembering the time wrong, because I'm not in my right mind. I couldn't sleep so I asked Suzanne, because we had two daughters, "listen, I'm going to Salida for a while, to do a mechanical thing with my Bobcat" and she agreed, because if some good can come from that, she'll be okay with it.
LE: so where is she, BM?
BM: where is who?
LE: Suzanne. Your WIFE, BM.
BM: Oh, that. I'm so over that.

How many times do we suppose his story changed during those 3-30 hours?

Confident LE is busy laying out the actual story --

It's coming!

JMO

 

[oviedo]

I’m sure the SM’s children have access to social media. Remember that the older daughter attends college. Kids have ways to obtain electronic devices without daddy dearest knowing. If they wanted to contact the maternal relatives, they could. If not thru text or calls, private Facebook pages could be made to contact relatives. Burner/cheater phones could be obtained. I believe that overtime, BM has poisoned the children towards SM’s family.

I think parental alienation has been at work here as well.
JMO

 

[ivegotthemic]

you might want to go read the article posted this am that explains the thinking of many of these men who off their wives. Very important to understand what was lurking in their own families that made it OK to behave in such a manner toward their own wives.

Not all narcissists kill their wives. Nor do all of them act violently towards them, but there's often things in their background that make it OK in their minds. Really go read the article.
Things will become much more clear in helping you understand what happens in these marriages and how and why these men do what they do.

Refining the Construct of Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Diagnostic Criteria and Subtypes

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ity_Disorder_Diagnostic_Criteria_and_Subtypes

Is a short but sufficient overview of NPD for anyone interested @Minordetails

 

[Hoss569]

I don't see many similarities between the two cases, to be honest.
Completely different motives, for one thing.

I'm convinced that the daughters are entirely safe, if for no other reason than because the perp knows that if either one of them were to come to harm, he'd immediately be toast.

Neither one of them are at risk, because the person who harmed SM can't risk harming either of them.

SM's perp appears to share many more personality characteristics with FD than he does JP.

I think this perp is a LOT like that evil creep, Dulos.

JMO.

I happen to see one far out similarity, and its IMO. Not sure this is true, but didn't the police apparently have enough to really put the squeeze on JP but the DA was reluctant requesting more?

Would the upcoming AG elections have any bearing on this case? I really hate to say it or think it, but.

Again this is just my opinion.

 

[Ontario Mom]

BM has been dumped into a box labeled ‘Narcissist‘, and that label supposedly explains his behaviour.

Is that a box you are born into? And how does one climb out of that box? Or is it once a narcissist always a narcissist?

I just wanted to point out that there isn't any kind of official diagnosis of BM being a narcissist (that we're aware of). This is just individual member's personal opinion, which is fine.
But let's remember to state it's "MOO" or similar so there's no confusion.
(stuff like this grows legs really fast).

 

[Tate123]

Jumping off your post
BM was apparently very fixated on $. In that vein, maybe he is one of those people who is so hung up on acquiring the external trappings of wealth that he pinches every penny.
IMO Mr. Wild at Heart took control of SM's inheritance and sunk that and whatever other liquid $ they had into the Puma Path house. He seems like someone who has to "have it all" so people can admire him and his "things" and want to emulate him.
MOO

I doubt that will change, soon he will be highly regarded for his collection of cigarettes and ramen noodles.

 

[Fireflize]

My understanding is that it is extremely difficult to treat. Given that they aren't likely to admit a mistake or take responsibility for their actions, they tend not to seek help.

Oftentimes treatment will only make them better at manipulation. Moo

 

[debrat007]

SPECULATION:

I imagine a Q&A between LE and BM, on or about May 11th.

LE: tell us what happened
BM: Let me tell you what happened. I was in Denver for fire training so it couldn't have been me who left her bike with the whee--
LE: when did you see Suzanne last?
BM: Sunday morning, 5am, when I left for Denver
LE: but how could you have seen her at 5am if you were away for the weekend, at training? Oh and we know there was no training.
BM: I know, that's why I decided to fix a wall.
LE: so you were home all night May 9/10?
BM: yes
LE: so why do we have evidence that suggests you were at a jobsite, running equipment at midnight?
BM: that's right. I was remembering the time wrong, because I'm not in my right mind. I couldn't sleep so I asked Suzanne, because we had two daughters, "listen, I'm going to Salida for a while, to do a mechanical thing with my Bobcat" and she agreed, because if some good can come from that, she'll be okay with it.
LE: so where is she, BM?
BM: where is who?
LE: Suzanne. Your WIFE, BM.
BM: Oh, that. I'm so over that.

How many times do we suppose his story changed during those 3-30 hours?

Confident LE is busy laying out the actual story --

It's coming!

JMO

Funny but sadly may be much truth to LE catching him up.

 

[enelram]

I happen to see one far out similarity, and its IMO. Not sure this is true, but didn't the police apparently have enough to really put the squeeze on JP but the DA was reluctant requesting more?

Would the upcoming AG elections have any bearing on this case? I really hate to say it or think it, but.

Again this is just my opinion.

certainly possible and we've been discussing this potential problem since early summer.

 

[Fireflize]

I think parental alienation has been at work here as well.
JMO

Tears.

 

[Knox]

Not a little odd, very odd. It seems to me that BM didn't want any of SM's family to be in touch with her.
Taking out the landline as soon as they moved there?
It'll all come out.

There are times I feel like details in cases get blown out of proportion, this is not one of them.

It seems like Andy is gaining courage with all the support he's receiving. Telling us small things that paint a picture of the marriage which contrast with the pretty pictures.

I don't think Barry was a wife-beater, but there are other ways a man can treat their wife that are just as bad. Isolating Suzanne from her lifelong friends and family, maybe even poisoning the girls minds against them seems possible here.

I also think he used Christianity to manipulate Suzanne.

 

[Warwick7]

BM has been dumped into a box labeled ‘Narcissist‘, and that label supposedly explains his behaviour.

Is that a box you are born into? And how does one climb out of that box? Or is it once a narcissist always a narcissist?

While I don't have the text book answer for this, I can say, without proper help and proper backing one will never change.

That said, I have seen with my own eyes extreme narsists get help, strip off that old personality and get completely away from it. (And they are of the very few).

 

[Charlot123]

My understanding is that it is extremely difficult to treat. Given that they aren't likely to admit a mistake or take responsibility for their actions, they tend not to seek help.

People are never one walking diagnosis, nor one algorithm, one program. That emotional part might be so much at variance with the thinking... Moreover, I know narcissists who never remarried after their partners had died.

If a criminal act is spontaneous, sometimes it might be even connected to ages-old fear of the partner leaving, and jealousy. And 20 years later, during the conversation about a divorce, that no one already minds, suddenly, old emotions resurface. Who knows?

(I somewhat mind the word “narcissism”, because it is a convenient umbrella, and underlying reasons might be different).

When crimes are planned, this is logic, and given how easy divorce is in XXI century, but also, costly, think money...

 

[ivegotthemic]

There are times I feel like details in cases get blown out of proportion, this is not one of them.

It seems like Andy is gaining courage with all the support he's receiving. Telling us small things that paint a picture of the marriage which contrast with the pretty pictures.

I don't think Barry was a wife-beater, but there are other ways a man can treat their wife that are just as bad. Isolating Suzanne from her lifelong friends and family, maybe even poisoning the girls minds against them seems possible here.

I also think he used Christianity to manipulate Suzanne.

Could not agree with you more, abuse doesnt have to be physical to be damaging, psychological and emotional abuse can be very damaging and is an effective tool controlling people often use to manipulate those around them. the really sly ones do it in a way the undermines the person but in such away that is so slight it can be played off as a joke or taken out of context, but when your husband is telling you something repeatedly about yourself and no one else is around to say its not true, the person can start to believe it. gaslighting is powerful and hard to recognize when your in it, especially when it comes from someone you love and want to believe would have the best intentions for you

 

[Hair of the Dog]

The tools BM said he brought to the hotel room. What were they? Is that what he was using chlorine for? Where are they now? Because didn't his worker say there were no tools left in the room?
Had BM drawn a bath? Did he put chlorine/bleach in the bath to clean tools? Drying them might account for all the damp towels.
Did he not leave them for the worker because he was unsure if there was still evidence on them?

Nothing causes corrosion faster than chlorine! A screwdriver kept in a deck box also containing a tightly covered bucket of chlorine tabs, will start showing signs of corrosion within a week.

ETA: Liquid chlorine is a nightmare in terms of splashing and getting on everything IMO.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Refining the Construct of Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Diagnostic Criteria and Subtypes

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ity_Disorder_Diagnostic_Criteria_and_Subtypes

Is a short but sufficient overview of NPD for anyone interested @Minordetails

Honestly, it might be not the newest one. A good example: about another condition, Borderline personality disorder, there was an interesting study linking the thinking pattern of borderline women with women on the spectrum... we don’t know what will surface about NPD. The same behavior, probably, has different underlying reasons in different people.

 

[ReckoningDay]

SPECULATION:

I imagine a Q&A between LE and BM, on or about May 11th.

LE: tell us what happened
BM: Let me tell you what happened. I was in Denver for fire training so it couldn't have been me who left her bike with the whee--
LE: when did you see Suzanne last?
BM: Sunday morning, 5am, when I left for Denver
LE: but how could you have seen her at 5am if you were away for the weekend, at training? Oh and we know there was no training.
BM: I know, that's why I decided to fix a wall.
LE: so you were home all night May 9/10?
BM: yes
LE: so why do we have evidence that suggests you were at a jobsite, running equipment at midnight?
BM: that's right. I was remembering the time wrong, because I'm not in my right mind. I couldn't sleep so I asked Suzanne, because we had two daughters, "listen, I'm going to Salida for a while, to do a mechanical thing with my Bobcat" and she agreed, because if some good can come from that, she'll be okay with it.
LE: so where is she, BM?
BM: where is who?
LE: Suzanne. Your WIFE, BM.
BM: Oh, that. I'm so over that.

How many times do we suppose his story changed during those 3-30 hours?

Confident LE is busy laying out the actual story --

It's coming!

JMO

Sounds about right!

 

[Deleted member 272036]

If he says it's tools, I say it's not. (Unless he had some to clean.)

JMO

Agree with you. In my experience, rebuilding a wall takes tools that a contractor or landscaper would hose down or pressure wash outside. And the effort of using and washing them would make it darn near impossible to forget.

These are not trowels and such. They would be shovels, a wheel barrow, mortar buckets and chisels, at a minimum. No contractor would wash them in a hotel. If a contractor had forgotten to wash such tools after a project, he/she would leave them alone and wash later, or if staying at a hotel, ask to use a garden hose connection.

 

[kkdj]

While I don't have the text book answer for this, I can say, without proper help and proper backing one will never change.

That said, I have seen with my own eyes extreme narsists get help, strip off that old personality and get completely away from it. (And they are of the very few).

Boy I haven't. Narcissists, by their very nature, aren't interested in caring for others. They come first, period.
And they will manipulate to the moon to convince another otherwise, only to use them again. They prey upon other's good and forgiving hearts. They are not to be trusted, ever.
I married into a family of them. It's amazing what they'll do even to each other. They have no desire to give up what they perceive as their power and control. No way.
moo

 

[enelram]

Nothing causes corrosion faster than chlorine! A screwdriver kept in a deck box also containing a tightly covered bucket of chlorine tabs, will start showing signs of corrosion within a week.

ETA: Liquid chlorine is a nightmare in terms of splashing and getting on everything IMO.

MOO

true that.
So what else might he have been carrying into
the Holiday Inn?
Clean clothes?
Clean shoes or boots?
Maybe he stole the chlorine from the hotel pool area? To douse his soiled clothes, shoes. ??
Then ditch them in some trash bin after he soaked them to remove evidence. ??