Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #34

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  • #821
About that mail in the hotel room. If, hypothetically, a person were trying to get a loan and using their home as equity / collateral - would they need to provide proof of property insurance to the lender?

Thinking maybe BM was (unknown to SM) attempting to dip into the marital assets for personal cash. And she found the papers....
I've been curious about the property insurance since day one. I wonder if it was for real property or personal property (like jewelry for instance). Maybe he was checking to see if valuable jewelry was insured? Everyone is assuming real property insurance papers. I haven't heard any confirmation on what type of property insurance information was in the letters. Just thinking outside of the box.
 
  • #822
you mentioned a good point that it sounded like BM wanted JP and MG out of town on the
Broomfield site. But why?
I wonder if he didn't send them out of town was because he had some 'planned' work to do on the Salida site right after dark and during the night. Maybe get rid of something?
I think he needed assurance that that Salida site would be quiet and no one around.
We know he was there at 11:30 pm. What all was he doing?

Yeah, except I can't see any reason why he would have worried about his workers coming by to nose around the Salida site when they weren't working.
 
  • #823
I completely agree with Hoosierfan72's great post. I felt the same way about JP's testimony. How much of what they are saying is colored by their current suspicions about BM?

I think the riverside (in the water) deserves a much closer look. Is it shallow enough to use ground-penetrating radar?

Also...why on earth would LE ask for MG's phone? I don't recall JP mentioning giving up his phone. Yes, you can buy a pay-go disposable pretty cheap, but if LE has your phone, you've lost all your contacts, etc. Major inconvenience, IMHO.

For that matter, why would the two fellows who spoke to her be telling her that she did not have to give up her phone to LE if asked?

If that's all true, it sounds like perhaps something on BM's phone led them to want to see MG's phone. That might go back to the microexpressions when speaking about BM and her reluctance to take a lie detector test. She probably fears (and rightly) that they're going to ask her about things she doesn't want to talk about. For example, if she had a one-nighter with BM, she wouldn't want it to come out now, especially if it had nothing to do with SM's disappearance.

I think most people have their contacts in several places. In fact, with an iPhone, if I were to get a new one, I would simply use what is automatically downloaded from the Cloud (Androids are the same, IIRC). My contacts are on 7 devices right now. I get prompted to store them in another Cloud at work nearly every day.

So, being attached to one phone and its information is not necessary. Someone MG's age knows this and would stay calm about handing over a phone (which I presume she was asked to do in order to support her information about texts and calls with Barry - much faster than having to get them from a phone company or Apple).

As to the lie detector test, has anyone mentioned that polygraphs are only about 50% accurate - giving erroneous "trues" and "falses" half the time?? So, you could be absolutely telling the truth and it might still say you are lying - which is why any attorney would tell you never to take one. On sensitive topics, like sex and affairs, I expect it is even less reliable.
 
  • #824
I thought she said he sounded very upset on Sunday morning, like he had just had the worst night of his life. Something like that.
Yes, and this was prior to SM being missing.
 
  • #825
you mentioned a good point that it sounded like BM wanted JP and MG out of town on the
Broomfield site. But why?
I wonder if he didn't send them out of town was because he had some 'planned' work to do on the Salida site right after dark and during the night. Maybe get rid of something?
I think he needed assurance that that Salida site would be quiet and no one around.
We know he was there at 11:30 pm. What all was he doing?

Maybe BM HAD planned to do something at the Salida site on Sunday night, late at night. He may have assumed that SM would not be missed until Monday. He wanted the crew off in Denver on Sunday night so they would not be aware of what he was doing that night at the Salida site. Just some of my own wild speculation.
 
  • #826
my guess is they aren't naming names because they are going to be witnesses at trial.
JMO

Really good point. Of all the bits of new information, the fact that 2 men may have approached MG to quiet her is huge. Putting those 2 men on the stand - in order to explore all that they knew at the time - would be a prosecutor's dream.

Thanks for pulling that out of all this new information - I'll be feeling more optimistic about this case going to trial now.
 
  • #827
I'm a little undecided on one of MG's comments in her interview to LS, it doesn't make much sense to me - maybe I am overthinking it? MG said that if BM was innocent she would have expected him to maybe talk to her as she has worked with him a long time, but then, in the next sentence she says she is scared of him? Does she mean she is scared of him now as she thinks that he is responsible for Suzanne's disappearance or has she always been scared of him? Because, if I was scared of someone that I worked with and had been scared of them for a long time - I wouldn't expect them to talk to me about issues outside of work etc because I wouldn't see us as having a comfortable working relationship. I would avoid spending much time with them alone or at all tbh unless absolutely necessary, also MG said that the original Broomfield job was supposed to be just her and BM iirc, I wouldn't be too happy about spending time working with someone that scared me when it would just be the 2 of us, and assuming that they would car share - travelling that distance together alone? with someone your scared of? like I said, maybe I am overthinking it, but idk.

I thought it was pretty obvious that MG, by talking to LE and to the press, is putting herself in danger. That's why she had to change addresses, that's why the stress on her family (who may have told her to stay out of it).

She means that if BM were innocent, she would have expected conversations with him throughout the first week or two, in which he was emotional and tried to explain his feelings about Suzanne's disappearance and what he knew about it. I predict that their phones show a pattern of fairly frequent communication by call and text, and that the pattern of communication changed abruptly. Surely, MG reached out to BM at some point. But LE were already rounding up statements and phones. Two men close to BM approached MG in a scary manner - I suspect that's when things changed. Had she refused to give LE her phone, BM might have talked to her again - but he knows that she knows too much.

She wasn't afraid of him until after Suzanne disappeared, that seemed obvious to me from what she said.
 
  • #828
you mentioned a good point that it sounded like BM wanted JP and MG out of town on the
Broomfield site. But why?
I wonder if he didn't send them out of town was because he had some 'planned' work to do on the Salida site right after dark and during the night. Maybe get rid of something?
I think he needed assurance that that Salida site would be quiet and no one around.
We know he was there at 11:30 pm. What all was he doing?

The problem with that is that the crew didn’t leave until Sunday afternoon and BM was already in Broomfield so BM wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do anything at the Salida site when they were gone. We also don’t 100% know that it was BM at the Salida site when those noises were heard at 11:30pm.

MOO, but i wonder if MG, JP, and C aren’t somehow involved but have made a pact and story together and are all flipping against BM in order to save themselves.

I’d like to know if JP was offered a polygraph and if so how he responded. C’s behavior/text is just odd.
 
  • #829
Yes, and this was prior to SM being missing.

Wow, so many details in that. Yes, Sunday morning and it sounds like BM just had the "worst night of his life"?
 
  • #830
I have difficulty discerning a detailed timeline, including discrepancies. Does anyone know how to establish a Wikipedia site, where the case can be summarized with citations to MSM and other reliable sources?
 
  • #831
I've been curious about the property insurance since day one. I wonder if it was for real property or personal property (like jewelry for instance). Maybe he was checking to see if valuable jewelry was insured? Everyone is assuming real property insurance papers. I haven't heard any confirmation on what type of property insurance information was in the letters. Just thinking outside of the box.

MOO, but if BM was emptying his truck before heading home, what would be the most likely type of insurance paperwork he’d have in his truck? I’d think it would be coverage for his business. I’d bet that policy covers his tools (maybe $20k) and the tools would be listed individually and with values on the policy should they be stolen and need to be replaced. It seems odd that BM would leave a bunch of miscellaneous tools at the hotel that aren’t suitable for the job that needs to be done. So where are the rest of his tools? Why would you not want an insurance policy that listed all your tools to be found and make it easy for LE to see what’s missing...
 
  • #832
BM said once he learned SM was missing, he told the crew they were on their own, and had to figure things out themselves, without him.
With a brand new worker (JP) who has the background and experience to do just that. IMO, BM knew he wasn’t going to be able to stay, hence hiring what appears to me to be someone with the ability to run the job, so much so that he knew they didn’t have the tools needed. This was so last minute, BM had to order bricks after the fact? Iirc, Bricks that never arrived. JMO.
 
  • #833
Maybe Morgan moved out of Salida and left family members behind, essentially breaking up the family she lived with or saw frequently.

I think that's likely it. If I'm MG, given the local rumours and pressure she describes, and with the knowledge that BM and his pet mountain lion(s) are still active in the foothills, then I'd leave town too and find a safe place to hole up in -- with a working alarm system and a direct line to LE.
 
  • #834
It’s very interesting that BM apparently had GD & TN back in the Salida area on Sunday for when everything went down and also had MG, C, & JP in Broomfield.

GD is apparently trashing LE immediately about ruining the bike evidence and TN is immediately calling out for the public to question LE about the bike.

Why?

I really want to figure that out.
 
  • #835
...trying to figure out why on earth they'd be sharing a hotel room as co-workers.
I, as a female, would never agree to share a hotel room with a male coworker. I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing so.
 
  • #836
The problem with that is that the crew didn’t leave until Sunday afternoon and BM was already in Broomfield so BM wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do anything at the Salida site when they were gone. We also don’t 100% know that it was BM at the Salida site when those noises were heard at 11:30pm.

MOO, but i wonder if MG, JP, and C aren’t somehow involved but have made a pact and story together and are all flipping against BM in order to save themselves.

I’d like to know if JP was offered a polygraph and if so how he responded. C’s behavior/text is just odd.
I believe BM DID admit it was him at the Salida site doing his mechanical thing to his bobcat. Apparently there was something he told LE that didn't allign w/ his timeline which is why he then said his mind was all messed up
from stress.
 
  • #837
I think that info was from PE within the past 4-5 weeks. SM was messaging with her best friend about the wedding when all of a sudden the conversation abruptly stopped and the friend panic’d.

Thanks for your reply @EggSalad. I remember watching & listening to that PE talking about Suzanne discussing the upcoming wedding with her friend on Saturday via text/messenger but didn’t think the actual wedding was on MD weekend. So when you said “with a wedding happening that weekend...” did you mean they were texting/messaging about plans for an upcoming wedding on a future date or the wedding was literally that weekend? I don’t remember PE saying that it was and I thought the discussion was that Suzanne was planning to attend the wedding in Indiana in June if Covid allowed. So when I read your post it had me wondering if the wedding might have been changed to a virtual wedding due to Covid and what if it was on MD weekend? Saturday 5/9 or Sunday 5/10? And would they even have a wedding on Mother’s Day? Was Suzanne attending a virtual wedding of one of her best friend’s children or planning to attend the wedding online that weekend and then just stopped communicating? That would further explain the urgency of her friend trying to reach Suzanne. MOO

Also if Barry knew she was going to attend a virtual wedding that weekend it sort of goes towards “not premeditated” in my opinion. MOO

To be clear, I’m not myself or suggesting anyone else sleuth innocent people, just asking if the wedding date has been previously established by approved sources. Thanks if you or anyone else can clarify without having to rewatch PE.
 
  • #838
It’s very interesting that BM apparently had GD & TN back in the Salida area on Sunday for when everything went down and also had MG, C, & JP in Broomfield.

Why?

I really want to figure that out.
Who is GD and TN? How do you know Cassidy was in Broomfield?
 
  • #839
It’s very interesting that BM apparently had GD & TN back in the Salida area on Sunday for when everything went down and also had MG, C, & JP in Broomfield.

Why?

I really want to figure that out.
great question.
Could the 2 left in Salida be part of the coverup
or cleanup?
Doesn't sound to me like what they've done so far is on the up and up.
 
  • #840
Over what though? Her boss’ wife going missing? It doesn’t make sense.
Early on in the case, rumors were all over social media that Morgan was having an affair with BM. People bashed her horribly on her personal FB page. On top of that Salida being a small town she probably heard lots of gossip about her. And she lost her job. So I can see how all of this would be stressful on relationships.
 
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