Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #34

[DizzyB]

I'm not sure what's significant about the car selfie.
We do know that it was a crew of 3, Morgan, JP and Cassidy, as this has been mentioned in the MSM already.
This person has declined interviews, and that's his right.

So are we assuming that this car belongs to the third person mentioned? I’m okay with that, if it’s true.

 

[happyday]

TN is not named in either the video or the written article you're referrencing.

True. But she said “men.” A “family member and a friend,” Men. So can’t be the daughters or his mom so just narrowing it down....
But no, he isn’t technically named.

 

[happyday]

Can we talk about the car selfie? It’s apparent that there are three people in the car, and Morgan and Jeff are two of them. Who’s the third? Was it taken that weekend? Barry has said this was the first time that Jeff worked for him. Car interiors are fairly easy to access on the web, you can do the 360 spin around. Distinctive window there on Jeff’s side.

Does it look like a F250 window?

 

[Ericthered]

Did Trevor Noel go silent after realizing how sketchy everything was and that he was being put in the middle of it?

or did he go silent because LE wasn’t buying the bike ride/mountain lion theory?

Why was Trevor so invested in the bike when LE wasn’t even announcing that on day 1?

Why would Trevor participate in telling one of Barry’s employees not to cooperate with the CBI?

He’s either an extremely dumb pawn or....

The first time Trevor said publicly “ask LE about the condition of the bike”, I had a feeling right then that something about the bike already told Trevor this was staged. Maybe that it was found to not be rideable, like the brakes locked up rumor, which told LE she never could have ridden the bike in the first place. JMO. Also, I believe Trevor went dark, because LE freaked when he said the above, and they told him to shut it. Doesn’t explain why the sudden halting of updates on the original missing persons Facebook page, though.

 

[oviedo]

We don't know that it was TN that approached MG with the weird "hush money" statement.
The written article just says 2 men connected to BM, but in the video at about the 5:00 mark, LS says it was a M family member, and a friend of BM's.
Telling her they'd pay her but, they don't want to have it look like it's hush money, and that she has rights and doesn't have to give the CBI her phone.

Whoever these 2 men are, it certainly does sound like they were trying to encourage her NOT to cooperate with the investigation.

jmo

my guess is they aren't naming names because they are going to be witnesses at trial.
JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Well yeah. He’s definitely been right in the middle of things from the get go. This newest info from MG about him (& a friend of BM) telling her not to give her phone and they can’t pay her b/c it’ll look like hush money is just....wow. I’m sure LE is getting to the bottom of his involvement.

Seriously the amount of BS that LE is having to sort out in this case is mind boggling. <modsnip>

I think TN suspected there was something suspicious about where the bike was found from the beginning. According to JS in one of the recent interviews, TN was the first one to say it looked like the bike was thrown down the hill.

After TN first spoke out I got the impression he didn't care much for Barry. He referred to him as "the husband" and encouraged the public to ask LE about the condition of the bike. He was probably holding back because LE had told him not to discuss any details. Then later he separated himself from the online Go fund account or whatever it's called. Everyone has called it different things so I don't know the proper name for it.

Did MG actually say it was TN who said that about the hush money? I thought she meant it was a relative or a friend but didn't say who. The army guy was also at the scene. He's the one who told Barry LE was mishandling the bike and ruining the crime scene.

IMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

So are we assuming that this car belongs to the third person mentioned? I’m okay with that, if it’s true.

I'm not assuming anything.
I don't know when this pic was taken and it's not mentioned anywhere that I've seen, who the car belonged to.
I'm not even sure why it matters, unless I've missed something significant?

 

[Skigh]

Perhaps BM had offered to pay an amount which was considerably more than would seem normal for a couple of days work.

 

[Lyanna]

I think she means she is scared of him now. She said at one point that she had always respected him. It sounds like they got along fine until after his wife went missing and MG began cooperating with investigators. Imo

Thank you @MsBetsy

 

[DizzyB]

Does it look like a F250 window?

I don’t think so. Maybe it’s me.

 

[Dalgliesh]

Why are all these well meaning individuals declining polygraphs?

"Lie detection" technology has a dodgy history and an obvious flaw that these folks can easily discover on the internet if they don't have a lawyer advising them. Only an innocent BM might consider taking a test, as a means of restoring his relationships and reputation. For anyone else, it could do more harm than good.

Although there are studies showing that - under carefully controlled conditions that rarely exist in actual criminal investigations - skilled polygraphers can accurately determine guilty and innocent subjects at rates that are better than chance, they cannot say whether a particular suspect who fails an examination falls in the the true positive or the false positive category.

Therefore, the accuracy rates in the studies may not be as impressive as they seem.

Let's say, a bank with 100 employees experiences losses over several months that are suspected to be the result of theft. Each employee is given a polygraph test, and the results indicate Joe and Jane stole the money. However, the real thieves prove to be Dan and Darlene. Even though the polygraph results were entirely wrong and misleading, the polygrapher can still claim an accuracy rate of 96% - all but four people were correctly classified.

Moreover, self-stimulating countermeasures (biting tongue, pressing toes to the floor, etc.) have been shown to reduce the polygraphers' detection of guilty suspects by 50% (Honts, Raskin, & Kirchner, 1994). And of course, some people are so controlled or nonreactive emotionally that lying produces little physiological response, while others overreact to some questions because of unique factors unrelated to their truthfulness.

Toward the end of his career, John A. Larson - a polygrapher who developed a widely used interrogation technique - became disillusioned with the widespread misuse of the polygraph. He complained that, "the lie detector, as used in many places, is nothing more than a psychological third degree aimed at extorting confessions as much as the old physical beatings were." (Skolnick, 1961, p. 703) This assessment was affirmed by the research of Richard Ofshe and Richard Leo, who published a study of false confessions in 1997.

New technologies have emerged that monitor modulations in the voice, dilation of the pupils, tension in the facial muscles, and neural activity in the brain. However, the enduring problem is that there is no distinctive set of physiological responses exclusively associated with lying. There is no unique tone of voice, no distinctive rhythm to the heartbeat, no precise change in blood pressure, and no signature pattern of neural excitation in the brain. Without such a clear signal to detect, these technologies cannot produce a trustworthy method of determining when the subject is lying.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think TN suspected there was something suspicious about where the bike was found from the beginning. According to JS in one of the recent interviews, TN was the first one to say it looked like the bike was thrown down the hill.

After TN first spoke out I got the impression he didn't care much for Barry. He referred to him as "the husband" and encouraged the public to ask LE about the condition of the bike. He was probably holding back because LE had told him not to discuss any details. Then later he separated himself from the online Go fund account or whatever it's called. Everyone has called it different things so I don't know the proper name for it.

Did MG actually say it was TN who said that about the hush money? I thought she meant it was a relative or a friend but didn't say who. The army guy was also at the scene. He's the one who told Barry LE was mishandling the bike and ruining the crime scene.

IMO

TN was not named in either the written article or the video.
It's being assumed by some, that it was him, but we have nothing from MSM or elsewhere to verify that.

 

[K9Enzo]

Regarding TN - I believe he went silent when s*it started to get real. Meaning, when the line of questioning and investigation started to feel and look different than a missing person who went on a bike ride in the wilderness.

At this point, I don't have any reason to suspect him of any wrong doing.

Did MG, in her LS interview, confirm the date of when the two men (she did not give names on what was aired or written) made the statement on if she was paid it would look like hush money?

IMO

 

[enelram]

Perhaps BM had offered to pay an amount which was considerably more than would seem normal for a couple of days work.

I suspect you're correct. Why else would they call it 'hush money'.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

What constitutes a long time? MG states she's worked for BM a long time. Is 2 years a long time in the construction business? I don't think so since my husband is in the trade and has worked with the same professionals for years and years: plumbers, electricians, drywallers, roofers (now that trade has a lot of transient people, it's tough work and unpleasant, many times in the heat, and I know some are prior felons) but on the whole the good ones get hired back again and again. So did MG work for BM in IN and relocate to CO? Or is she using the term 'a long time' because employment for her has been sporadic and anything longer than a couple of months to her is a long time.

It makes me think BMs business isnt as successful as I initially thought having to take on jobs fairly distant because he miscalculated employment activity and may have been having financial woes. Money always seems to be the number 1 stressor in any relationship and the virus just upped the ante.

I hope this new search finds SM or at the very least some clues as to her location, even if it's BM finally breaking down and confessing. I also hope there are no injuries to the searchers, many who will have more heart than experience. I hope it isnt chaotic and people aren't upset or angry if the M girls don't show up.

This case just constantly reminds me of the Dulos case in CT. It is documented somewhere that SM got a chunk of money from an inheritance and BM sunk it into this monstrosity of a house, and I am willing to bet his business wasn't doing as well as he projected, and that he was living a lifestyle above his means with SM's family's money. Much like Fotis Dulos. MOO.

 

[Hoosierfan72]

I went back and re-watched the video from MG and have a couple of thoughts:

Listening to it a second time, I find myself questioning if she really is accurately portraying her observations at the time. I don't think MG is lying, but I think there's a difference between (for example) BMs actions on Saturday being so unusual to actually have the thought at that time that he's acting weird vs. thinking back on that weekend and, knowing what we know now, thinking it was a bit odd. So, if I could, I'd press her on those points to try to understand more details about it - things like "you say BM was frantic - what was he doing that makes that word come to mind?" or "did you mention to anyone (JP perhaps) at the time that BM was acting weird?"- that kind of stuff.

I say that because of what she says about how he was acting about the beach site. If BM was really acting strange there on Saturday am, I think that pushes me to think this very well could have been a hastily developed plan, perhaps born out of a significant argument on Friday between SM/BM where SM discovered something that BM could not allow to come to light.

I have no idea what to make of Cassidy's text. I don't follow this on any social media sites, but I'm assuming there are all kinds of rumors out there that are being referenced.... Does he know nothing useful and is just being coy? Does he know something HUGE and just doesn't really want to be in the spotlight? I'm sure LE knows, so that's encouraging - but that whole text message was beyond strange.. MOO, JMO

 

[MadTing]

I hope LE have tested the tools for he left behind for traces of chlorine.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

I went back and re-watched the video from MG and have a couple of thoughts:

Listening to it a second time, I find myself questioning if she really is accurately portraying her observations at the time. I don't think MG is lying, but I think there's a difference between (for example) BMs actions on Saturday being so unusual to actually have the thought at that time that he's acting weird vs. thinking back on that weekend and, knowing what we know now, thinking it was a bit odd. So, if I could, I'd press her on those points to try to understand more details about it - things like "you say BM was frantic - what was he doing that makes that word come to mind?" or "did you mention to anyone (JP perhaps) at the time that BM was acting weird?"- that kind of stuff.

I say that because of what she says about how he was acting about the beach site. If BM was really acting strange there on Saturday am, I think that pushes me to think this very well could have been a hastily developed plan, perhaps born out of a significant argument on Friday between SM/BM where SM discovered something that BM could not allow to come to light.

I have no idea what to make of Cassidy's text. I don't follow this on any social media sites, but I'm assuming there are all kinds of rumors out there that are being referenced.... Does he know nothing useful and is just being coy? Does he know something HUGE and just doesn't really want to be in the spotlight? I'm sure LE knows, so that's encouraging - but that whole text message was beyond strange.. MOO, JMO

Yeah and I am sure the CBI investigators asked plenty of follow up questions to get down to the nitty gritty on MG's perceptions at the time. They have so much more than we know about. I also think Cassidy is up to his neck in something here. MOO.

 

[DizzyB]

Some of the stuff that Morgan said seemed to be assumptions on her part, and she actually noted them as such, i.e. the hush money, Barry’s bad night, him seeming stressed. I am trying to separate the noise from the facts.

 

[sunflowerchick]

Yeah and I am sure the CBI investigators asked plenty of follow up questions to get down to the nitty gritty on MG's perceptions at the time. They have so much more than we know about. I also think Cassidy is up to his neck in something here. MOO.

Hopefully this third employee (not using name but it's mentioned above), while refusing interviews with media has talked to LE.