Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #35

[Feistyomi]

I am trying to keep current, while catching up on my missing threads...I’ve begun watching PE interview with AM, not going to be able to finish in one sitting...

MVHO, AM truly suspects BM, doesn’t make him guilty.
BM truly suspects AM, doesn’t make him guilty, either.

MOO, both parties have to have been proposed as POIs, therefore both have been scrutinized by LE, 4 months in, no probable cause on AM, search warrants, etc. Is it possible HE has just realized BM isn’t guilty? Area of search based on suspicion of BM or acceptance that that has not proven to be possibility...

WOULDN'T crisscrossing pointing fingers of suspicion have had some results?

To clarify, I began my theories, using random suspect, but realized lately, this is a bit inaccurate, tho still slim possibility. It is more like a perp who has had minimal contact with SM, perhaps thru her husband or her own brief contact...on the sidelines, watching and waiting.

Someone familiar with the area, and is still in the area. Someone who sits back and watches all the developments, smugly thinking he has gotten away with it. Someone who understands that as long as BM is under suspicion, they are safe. Should that change, they have a plan, but for now, they are comfortable...
I hope this search causes them to slip up ...not necessarily find her, that becomes increasingly less likely.

I'm confused. Are you saying you think Husband suspects Brother?? I've never seen or heard suggestion of such. Maybe I am misunderstanding your point. or mixing up some initials.

the post was my speculation and stated as such, we’ve seen the slamming of BM by AM, “ browbeating Suzanne to not ...”, we see no cooperation between these men, it has taken 4 months for a new ground search, My point was not the accusations, and animosity, so much as pointing out that neither of these guys, has been publicly named as POI, by LE. Thus, those closest to SM may NOT have been involved.
I’ve speculated on the perpetrator being someone, under the radar, due to the somewhat odd behaviors, both by BM and SMs family. One reason for this behavior, could be mutual suspicion, MHO.

I see no reason for lack of updates from LE, both MORPHEWS and MOORMANS, know they are being scrutinized, No advantage to zero info, unless theres an unnamed or unknown element here.

Respectfully, I thought I was clear that I was making my own interpretations; reading between lines of our acceptable sources...IT IS getting a bit confusing, the Ms just doesn’t work anymore.

 

[Knox]

Honestly, I wish I could tell you that I work at Area 52, but that would be a lie. However, having been at home with family and homeschooling during these trying times, I'm convinced there's absolutely nothing out there any scarier than what's going on in my own house !!!! Lol.

You sound like my daughter, hang in there

 

[fraudqueen]

@Lilypad13....My daughter lives on the coast in MS and says so far they've had no rain and minimal wind, so don't worry too much. You hang in there. In 2017 we lost our house to storm surge in Florida from Hurricane Irma. The good news, even though 400 homes were lost here, there were no deaths or injuries.

 

[Knox]

Wouldn't it be something if LE arrested Barry simultaneous with the start of the search next week?

 

[10ofRods]

I believe EVI is in reference to the data that can be pulled from a cars computer/gps system, not that BM specifically owned an electric vehicle like a Tesla.

From what I’ve read on this thread, BM’s Ford and SM’s Range Rover would have this. It’s TBD is the older Range Rover would have it.

Someone upthread gave a link that said the 2003 Rover would not have GPS. I say "Rover" because I searched just this thread and found both Land Rover and Range Rover.

In order to check whether GPS was standard on a 2003 model, we'd need to know which one it is (I know there was discussion about window shapes, etc - so someone knows).

 

[Minordetails]

Over the last 6 months, I can’t get this song out of my head.

 

[Murphy1950]

B) would BM be dopey enough to think dragging a body behind a dirt bike would cause similar injuries to a mountain cat dragging a body in the event of SM being found at all?

RSBM
would BM be dopey enough ???? Surely you jest.

Someone upthread gave a link that said the 2003 Rover would not have GPS. I say "Rover" because I searched just this thread and found both Land Rover and Range Rover.

RSBM
FWIW...My better half has a 2002 Lexus (we still have and a great car btw) and GPS was standard then in a Lexus, believe it would have certainly been for a Range Rover but as to the capabilities of the older systems...IDK.

 

[Lyanna]

RSBM
would BM be dopey enough ???? SURELY YOU JEST.

- it was the politest way to say what I wanted to ask when it was already a pretty dopey question

 

[Feistyomi]

Neither LE nor BM have said they suspect AM of anything and we don’t have any information that AM has been involved in anything other than conversations with LE regarding his missing sister.

I would also be shocked if AM has stopped suspecting BM. AM said last night that the timeline starts on Friday and to work backwards. BM is the only known individual to have seen SM during that time frame, so....

And while AM is saying that he just wants to find his sister, he’s also about to bring 500 people + resources into CO to find her. I think his opinion of what happened hasn’t changed.

I think your final thoughts about a 3rd, unknown local person that committed the murder is interesting. Personally, I think BM is the main culprit but there were others involved in some capacity and they are sitting back seeing how this plays out.

Correct me if I misheard, AM actually stated 35 people coming from IN, in PE interview...
I was trying to reconcile needing the large parking lot and only 35 people, I’ll go back, perhaps the parking lot was the one in CO

I thought it odd, that the IN group was that small, and I couldn’t decide why AM seemed uncomfortable answering the question. He may have just been disappointed, hard to say.

However, the majority of searchers may have no real connection to Suzanne at all, just kind hearted people trying to help, and covid, may have impacted IN numbers.

personally, Covid has curtailed a lot of things, I am not fearful, just thankful I can hunker down, and trying to break any contagion links. Otherwise, I might be imposing on my dear friend in CO.

 

[Fireflize]

2003 Land Rover Range Rover HSE 4dr All-wheel Drive Equipment

2003 Range Rover comes with navigation system, standard.

 

[skyvoyager]

Someone upthread gave a link that said the 2003 Rover would not have GPS. I say "Rover" because I searched just this thread and found both Land Rover and Range Rover.

In order to check whether GPS was standard on a 2003 model, we'd need to know which one it is (I know there was discussion about window shapes, etc - so someone knows).

they were range rovers but to add to the fun since 2008 range rover is owned by land rover

 

[ivegotthemic]

- it was the politest way to say what I wanted to ask when it was already a pretty dopey question

no need to explain, your among friends here and to be honest no line of questioning or reasonable hypothetical is too out there to be considered given the level of forethought BM usually appears to give to important matters

 

[steeltowngirl]

In the choir practice video, looked like CM was just scratching his head. Could it be a tell?

 

[Lyanna]

no need to explain, your among friends here and to be honest no line of questioning or reasonable hypothetical is too out there to be considered given the level of forethought BM usually appears to give to important matters

thanks @ivegotthemic

 

[Seattle1]

My article said subpoena, I believe. Are you saying that it must be a warrant everywhere, or can it be a subpoena? In any case, my point was that for years it's been routine for LE to be able with a legal document such as a subpoena...to get cell phone records.

Are you saying that subpoenas don't work and I should stop saying subpoena? Or can I say either/or?

Because, yep, it's been a few years since I was involved in digital cases - but we used subpoenas (California). Not warrants. Subpoena is the term generally used in California for records and documents, or to compel words/testimony.

Is the difference between a subpoena and a warrant the same in all states? (I have no idea).

And did the Supreme Court say that subpoenas can't be used - it must be a warrant? As you can see, I'm confused.

Anyway - it's routine to get the information in a criminal case, just get the Court to sign off (that was my point).

Up until 2018 (16-402 Carpenter v. United States (6/22/2018)), subpoena's were used freely since investigators across the country relied on only obtaining a court order for [voluntary] disclosure of "stored wire and electronic communications and transactional records" held by third-party internet service providers pursuant to the Stored Communications Act (1986).

The rule had never been challenged until Carpenter. Subpoenas can still be used unless it's clear the government acquisition of cell records is a Fourth Amendment search (i.e., Fourth Amend protects not only property interests but certain expectations of privacy as well) -- official intrusion requires a warrant supported by reasonable cause.

Tracking a person's movements clearly defies an individual's expectation of privacy, and now requires a warrant -- not a subpoena/court order.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-402_h315.pdf

ETA: Significant difference between a subpoena (court order) and the higher burden required for a warrant: court order requires reasonable grounds to believe the records will aid an ongoing criminal investigation.

 

[Louise369]

To be clear, MG cited that a month earlier or last April, it was planned that only BM and MG would travel to the Broomfield job site to repair the defective work.

(MG's account establishes credibility to the story BM told AM about having to correct deficient work performed earlier by BM's company. I believe BM gave AM a different Job location).

You are right. I just rewatched. Sorry bout that.

 

[Fireflize]

I think BM provided the rare opportunity for all to see the elusive Colorado Mountain Liar captured on video.

Clever quote of the day.

 

[Murphy1950]

I thought it odd, that the IN group was that small, and I couldn’t decide why AM seemed uncomfortable answering the question. He may have just been disappointed, hard to say.

16 hours one way and they are driving straight through....probably mostly retirees at this point I would suspect. People are working, have kids in school, or kids at home due to Covid. Older kids back in college etc...it will end up being a 32 hour trip in a few days. If I knew them and was in Andy's hometown, I'm not sure I could do it, more likely I'd send money and hope the locals showed.

 

[Feistyomi]

16 hours one way and they are driving straight through....probably mostly retirees at this point I would suspect. People are working, have kids in school, or kids at home due to Covid. Older kids back in college etc...it will end up being a 32 hour trip in a few days. If I knew them and was in Andy's hometown, I'm not sure I could do it, more likely I'd send money and hope the locals showed.

ITA, we have no way to assess the covid factor in this investigation, but IMO, it has been bigger than we suspected. I’m also afraid it has given our bad guy a lot of cover.

 

[10ofRods]

I understand MG's testimony to be, in part:

• She has worked with BM for long enough to develop a relationship of trust - i.e., she would expect him to share his feelings about SM's disappearance and LE's focus on him.
• Two men associated with BM approached her with bogus reasons to withhold her paycheck, and in that conversation suggested that she should not share her phone with LE.
• Shortly after that, BM fired her for reason other than her cooperation with LE.

JMO, if she hasn't consulted an attorney about claiming unemployment benefits and suing BM for wrongful termination, she should. If the above can be proved, she has him over a barrel: if he defends, her attorney gets to subpoena records and ask him questions under oath. If he takes the 5th Amendment, he gets hammered with civil damages and penalties. JMO

I'll bet all the donuts that he pays his crew as subcontractors. Some day, we may know for sure.

In 2014 the Supreme Court Ruled in California v Riley:

The search of the data on a cell phone is a major invasion of privacy due to the quality and quantity of personal information stored on cell phones. The government may not conduct a warrantless search of cell phone incident to arrest; rather, the government must secure a warrant or demonstrate exigent circumstances.

The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, accessing an individuals cell phone data qualifies as a search under the legal definition and hence requires a warrant

and just and FYI for all my WS's out there, if LE ever have legal reason to confiscate your phone, obviously give it to them, BUT they need a warrant for your password. You are under no obligation to provide them with your pin or password. The more you know

So let me make sure I get it.

LE in this case got search warrants (we don't know exactly for what or how many, right?)

Would there be something to prevent a judge from including BM's cell phone? Why would LE take MG's cell phone if they can't legally look at it? Was a warrant issued for her phone as well - or did LE merely take the phone off of MG to make some other point (just to deprive her of a cell phone)?

What's your opinion? I would think the warrants would cover cell phones and that a digital footprint involving the phone carrier's records would be normal in this case (as well as FB, and other SM information).

If LE has not been able to obtain records for BM's cell phone carrier, FB and other similar data (including GPS data from the truck), then this investigation can't be going very far, based on what we know.

It is odd that they have MG's phone too...especially if they can't look at it.