Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #36

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  • #621
Could it be that BM has ultimately accepted that SM is not coming home, that an animal, whether human or not has taken her and ended her existence?

BM DID search for SM early on. For how long should one search wooded areas and near-vertical terrains and not lose hope if your deeply-ingrained lifelong mindset is based on practicality and acceptance of certain realities?

It is possible that some people don't rely on hope as a motivation, as they believe it is a useless effort that likely leads to more stress and depression.

It's a possibility. I don't necessarily believe that is the case, but it could be.

IMO most all innocent partners who have a missing significant other will never give up looking for them even well after they assume they are deceased. They still want them back to bring them "home" for a proper burial and place of peace that they can go to in remembrance of them.

Just ask the Harringtons who lost their daughter Morgan to a vicious serial killer. Morgan was found 3 months later. In Gil's own words (Morgan's mother) as they were helping Hannah Graham’s parents search for Hannah, who was also killed by the same serial killer:

"So as they gather on the bridge to mark the fifth anniversary of Morgan’s disappearance, the Harringtons will also be thinking about Hannah and appealing for continued vigilance in the search. Because, Gil explains, even if what’s found is death, that is infinitely better than finding nothing. “When you recover the body, then you know that no one is going to do anything else to them. You cannot hurt my kid anymore.”

The Harringtons will tell whoever’s there to listen — and to keep looking. To do anything they can to help release Hannah Graham’s family from their hell.

“They need to find their daughter still,” says Gil. “They need their girl back.”

Mother of Morgan Harrington urges vigilance in search for Hannah Graham
 
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  • #622
When I read this, it was my impression that the half million was put towards the purchase of the house, not that she put a half million into it after they bought it. Checking the property history, it says they bought it for $475,000 over asking price. Bingo! There’s your half a million.
Maybe SM didn’t really want to put that inheritance into the house, but BM whined and pleaded and she relented. Maybe she has regretted it. Maybe she was unhappy and wanted to sell. Maybe BM didn’t want to.....
Why on earth did they need that enormous house? Rhetorical question. IMO it suited Barry’s image of himself as a wealthy land baron. Many people approaching the”empty nest” stage are looking to downsize. I was just talking to a group of friends about this subject. With the exception of one couple, who are currently housing their daughter and her family of 4, we all said we would never want a huge house at this stage of our lives. Aside from tying up all that money, it’s too much upkeep.
 
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  • #624
A 'first thing' in the list of what new home owners typically do is to have a landline installed, not removed... as there would be nothing to remove upon initial move-in.

If the M's did have their landline removed it would have had to have occurred after they had had it installed. It could have been they decided their mobile phones were all that was needed and they eventually dropped the landline.... an action that has been common place in the age of cellular communication. I don't expect they would have had it removed if their cellular service was unreliable or nil.

We have no idea of the frequency of communication the M's may have had with family and friends and whether or not "several days" was an unusual or typical time frame nor how often. Exaggeration is not unusual during times of stress and suspicion.

Has AM explained why his status ('how you doing' ) request messages were not sent directly to SM? Why go through BM? Did SM not have a mobile phone? I was under the impression she does have a phone.

We can not assume a controlling nature simply based on BM's disagreeing with SM 'taking medication for Depression or medical marijuana for Cancer'. It is well known that taking certain medications can cause adverse side effects that might not justify taking them, which may include mental and physical manifestations, i.e. libido, mental focus, etc. We have no verified information regarding how SM reacted to those medications, or even if she was indeed taking them.

The divorce element is a possibility, but we have no definitive indication. Speculation isn't enough. I wouldn't expect disappearance being a first and immediate choice if talk of divorce was only recent. I suspect it would have had to have been an issue for some time, weeks, maybe months at least? I can't see money being the only catalyst in a disappearance scheme in this case.

I do find it odd BM and their daughters were away from home for Mother's Day. Was that typical? You'd figure given SM's medical issues that everyone would want to 'be there' on Mother's Day. My focus is on this element of the case. WHY was no one there?

I'm confused. It would take all my fingers and toes to count all the places I've lived (at least 12 different houses and many apartments). Never once did I have to have a phone installed. Every single place already had the phone line, all I had to do was contact the phone company, have the bill moved into my name, and they charged me for the start-up service (which in the last 25 years has always been remote - no one came to the house).

We still have a landline, we just don't pay for it, we had it turned off about 10 years after moving in.

The only thing we've ever had to have installed was television cable (which is what I'm using as an internet provider right now).

"We" aren't assuming anything. There are many of us here, we aren't all in one group. I assume BM is controlling for a collection of reasons, which is how many people work. One observation by itself almost never tells us anything. It's the total package, not all of which we can discuss here.

But we can say that someone who knows him says he is "controlling." It was early in the media thread. Then we can all have our own views and analysis of his linguistic and para-linguistic behaviors as seen on camera (moving or still). Then there's the marginal area around "controlling" such as "competitive" and "makes up own rules in situations."

I find plenty of specific moments of BM-watching that I can put on my list. So yes, I can say I think he's on the controlling end of the spectrum, I can't say that he's super-controlling, as I don't know him, but he's not a submissive kind of guy. I can back that up with my own sense of what I've observed - and to the extent that anyone else here agrees (and I know many do), then *we* who think he's controlling can indeed continue to believe so.

YMMV. It's okay for there to be two groups of us. I do wonder if everyone has watched all the footage available (even just the things here on the media thread).

The entire event in Indiana (that resulted in BM being criminally charged) was about control. He was upset that his crew couldn't get in and do work, because other contractors with bigger things to do (electrical, plumbing, can't recall which) were in there already and he didn't get his way. So he lost it.

Who does that? Sure, he had to be irritable in addition to controlling. I get irritable at myself when I fail to put the milk back in the refrigerator - but not at someone else for the same thing. I can't imagine what it's like to live in the head of someone who loses it and assaults someone because they didn't do something quickly enough.
 
  • #625
I think it's rare that people commit murder for no particular reason. Establishing motive can be very convincing to a jury. It may not be required but in many cases it's necessary to show that there was a strong motivation behind the crime. In some cases it's a combination of things.

Imo
Agree, simply pointing out the legal requirement :)
 
  • #626
I wish MG had elaborated more on why she thought BM was acting weird on Saturday. She indicated that she asked him "what's up" but never said what his reaction was or how he answered her.
She has had many interviews with the Sheriff, MOO assume sheriff requested those conversations to remain private.
MOO sheriff saw the impact this is making on MG and freed her of his request enough for her to defend herself regarding being his mistress.
 
  • #627
sbbm

I'm confused. It would take all my fingers and toes to count all the places I've lived (at least 12 different houses and many apartments). Never once did I have to have a phone installed. Every single place already had the phone line, all I had to do was contact the phone company,

That's what I intended by "installed".
I should have used the word "activated" or "turned on".
 
  • #628
LS is calling in tonight per @Tricia .
9:30 ( on the video). The Live is at 10 pm EDT.

AWESOME!!! I hope someone asks Tricia about security cameras at the Morphew home. I swear Lauren mentioned the cameras in one of her facebook live sessions? She had seen them when she knocked on the door for an interview.

Did she ask Barry about the cameras in one of her phone interviews with him?
 
  • #629
Oh, I’m quite sure there is a lot more going on than we can discuss here, everyone here thinks BM is guilty, I remain unconvinced...

I am not convinced of anything. But I am leaning toward the most probable answer to the puzzle of what happened to Suzanne Morphew.

I am not completely averse to the mountain lion theory (stranger things have happened, I suppose), because humans make mistakes in interpreting evidence. However, I think it's highly unlikely, and so, apparently, does BM as he has yet to try and drum up support for outdoorsmen to help him find that lion's den, which is surely possible.

I think stronger theories have to do with intra-family conflict, but again, if that was serious, surely BM would have told LE and also mentioned it in one of his tangents on what he thought happened to SM. He told MG that he thought it was a lion.

If Suzanne had committed suicide, she would have been found by now, IMO.

Total random stranger abducted her? Really sad if that happened because no one in the FBI, CBI or CSSO seems to think that happened. Even BM modified his view of an abduction scenario to say "It might have been someone she knew very well." I'm sure BM has shared his short list of who this could be (her brothers? a lover? who?)

You got anything else on your list?
 
  • #630
LS is calling in tonight per @Tricia .
9:30 ( on the video). The Live is at 10 pm EDT.



go tricia! maybe someone could make a list for her, of questions we want to ask! i would do it, but i'm going to bed shortly (in eu), and i don't know that i'll be here too much longer tonight. i don't think she'll have much time with lauren, so if she had a list of questions that could be helpful. just an idea. :D
 
  • #631
A 'first thing' in the list of what new home owners typically do is to have a landline installed, not removed... as there would be nothing to remove upon initial move-in.

If the M's did have their landline removed it would have had to have occurred after they had had it installed. It could have been they decided their mobile phones were all that was needed and they eventually dropped the landline.... an action that has been common place in the age of cellular communication. I don't expect they would have had it removed if their cellular service was unreliable or nil.

We have no idea of the frequency of communication the M's may have had with family and friends and whether or not "several days" was an unusual or typical time frame nor how often. Exaggeration is not unusual during times of stress and suspicion.

Has AM explained why his status ('how you doing' ) request messages were not sent directly to SM? Why go through BM? Did SM not have a mobile phone? I was under the impression she does have a phone.

We can not assume a controlling nature simply based on BM's disagreeing with SM 'taking medication for Depression or medical marijuana for Cancer'. It is well known that taking certain medications can cause adverse side effects that might not justify taking them, which may include mental and physical manifestations, i.e. libido, mental focus, etc. We have no verified information regarding how SM reacted to those medications, or even if she was indeed taking them.

The divorce element is a possibility, but we have no definitive indication. Speculation isn't enough. I wouldn't expect disappearance being a first and immediate choice if talk of divorce was only recent. I suspect it would have had to have been an issue for some time, weeks, maybe months at least? I can't see money being the only catalyst in a disappearance scheme in this case.

I do find it odd BM and their daughters were away from home for Mother's Day. Was that typical? You'd figure given SM's medical issues that everyone would want to 'be there' on Mother's Day. My focus is on this element of the case. WHY was no one there?
Well, from the beginning it was noted that cell phone service in that area is not reliable, so whether they got rid of the landline or never had it in the first place, it seems strange that they would not have a landline.

Suzanne's father also said that after they moved to Colorado they had very little communication with her. I don't think he or AM would have mentioned it if it wasn't a change to what they were used to. I don't think they are exaggerating, especially since AM seemed convinced at first that BM had nothing to do with Suzanne's disappearance. I think he didn't see the warning signs at the time but once he realized BM might be responsible his actions took on a different meaning.

AM said that when he called them, he wouldn't hear back for several days. I don't think he said whether he left messages on Suzanne's phone or not, but he said he left messages for BM that were never returned. BM pointed a finger at SM's family for not communicating with her, but that still doesn't explain why he wouldn't answer AM's calls just to let him know how Suzanne was doing.

That BM was against Suzanne taking medication doesn't necessarily mean he was controlling, but it supports the claim early on that he was controlling and made all the decisions about the finances, and SM took a more submissive role in the marriage.

It's one thing to be against taking medication, but to browbeat, or give someone a hard time about their choices about their own mental health is another thing. Suzanne would know best what the side effects were for any medication she was taking, and it would be entirely her decision. She should not have been made to feel guilty about it, especially since guilt is a common symptom in the first place. I've never heard of any adverse effects of medical marijuana to treat cancer. How would she know if she never tried it? How could Barry know?

BM doesn't sound very supportive to me. According to SM's friend it was her daughter who went with her to the treatment sessions for cancer. If he was so concerned about medication and how she responded to it, why wasn't he there himself?

I think there may have been more problems in the marriage than her family knew, especially since SM had been isolated from them for the past two years. It seems she had confided in at least one of her friends, though.

I don't think money was the primary motivator either, but I do think Suzanne may have considered or asked for a divorce and BM was not willing to let her go.

IMO
 
  • #632
I have followed too many WS cases where divorce should have been the option but wasn't - I think this may turn out like so many others - money is a powerful motivator for some of these men who disappear their wives.

JMO

Plus, in a relationship where one partner is used to getting their own way completely, even minor arguments about money can make for a tense or violent situation. When the arguments become major, as they often do as people age, the domestic situation can suddenly worsen - or gradually slump.

Depression can occur when there are financial difficulties, but a depressed person will often see their finances as much worse than they actually are. There's a lot we don't know and may never know about the Morphews, but I'm guessing that the family was struggling with both money and health issues, plus whatever it is that is the actual trigger for what happened.

Oddly, one thing that hasn't happened so far is BM actually attempting to pin blame on, say, SM's family (including the ones coming to search). Some people have theories that it could be SM's family who is responsible for SM's disappearance, but for whatever reason, BM left that theory off his list.

I think it's because he doesn't want to poke the bears.
 
  • #633
That's because we can't list them. We can't sleuths BM.

True, but if there was something tangible out there -- a criminal conviction for domestic battery, for example -- it likely would've been reported in the MSM.
 
  • #634
go tricia! maybe someone could make a list for her, of questions we want to ask! i would do it, but i'm going to bed shortly (in eu), and i don't know that i'll be here too much longer tonight. i don't think she'll have much time with lauren, so if she had a list of questions that could be helpful. just an idea. :D

Great idea!
I know just the man for the job, too:
@MassGuy.

Consider yourself nominated!

Live airs in 5 hours, so you have plenty of time to pull that dusty thinking cap of yours out of deep storage and work up a comprehensive list of all the unanswered questions surrounding this case.

We know this is a tough assignment.
We're counting on you.
 
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  • #635
True, but if there was something tangible out there -- a criminal conviction for domestic battery, for example -- it likely would've been reported in the MSM.
True.
That said, you being an attorney, I'm sure you are familiar with the percentage of unreported cases of domestic violence. Domestic battery by the intimate mate-partner goes unreported continuously.
 
  • #636
I am not convinced of anything. But I am leaning toward the most probable answer to the puzzle of what happened to Suzanne Morphew.

I am not completely averse to the mountain lion theory (stranger things have happened, I suppose), because humans make mistakes in interpreting evidence. However, I think it's highly unlikely, and so, apparently, does BM as he has yet to try and drum up support for outdoorsmen to help him find that lion's den, which is surely possible.

I think stronger theories have to do with intra-family conflict, but again, if that was serious, surely BM would have told LE and also mentioned it in one of his tangents on what he thought happened to SM. He told MG that he thought it was a lion.

If Suzanne had committed suicide, she would have been found by now, IMO.

Total random stranger abducted her? Really sad if that happened because no one in the FBI, CBI or CSSO seems to think that happened. Even BM modified his view of an abduction scenario to say "It might have been someone she knew very well." I'm sure BM has shared his short list of who this could be (her brothers? a lover? who?)

You got anything else on your list?

I started out closer to the fence on this, but in order to believe BM is innocent you have to believe
the bike ride either happened OR whatever happened to SM happened Sunday morning and someone else staged the bike ride. So you are right that leaves only a) a mountain lion that leaves zero evidence behind b) a stranger abduction or c) someone close to SM who may have staged the bike. I suppose you could stretch and maybe offer d) SM staged the bike and ran off to start a new life.

We don't know if there is evidence that something happened at the house. If so, that alone rules out A and D definitively and pretty much rules out B, IMO (why would a stranger stage the bike?). But we don't know for sure.

LE ruled out a lion early, for pretty obvious reasons. D is a terrible theory and makes zero sense (though still probably a better theory than the mountain lion, IMO) C seems like a reach, and I have to believe anyone who would fit C would be on a short list that could be ruled in/out pretty quickly via alibis, GPS data, etc. Stranger abduction seems to be the most likely of this improbable list - though SM doesn't fit the abduction victim profile.

I certainly can't come up with anything else that is remotely possible. Not to mention, if you believe this, you also have to explain away all the circumstantial evidence (strange social media activity, weirdness at the hotel in Broomfield, his "mechanical thing to the bobcat", and the host of other bits and pieces of info we are aware of that don't look good for BM).
 
  • #637
Could it be that BM has ultimately accepted that SM is not coming home, that an animal, whether human or not has taken her and ended her existence?

BM DID search for SM early on. For how long should one search wooded areas and near-vertical terrains and not lose hope if your deeply-ingrained lifelong mindset is based on practicality and acceptance of certain realities?

It is possible that some people don't rely on hope as a motivation, as they believe it is a useless effort that likely leads to more stress and depression.

It's a possibility. I don't necessarily believe that is the case, but it could be.
In a recent newscast with Lauren, BM, IIRC, told her he was surprised to learn that there were no "missing" flyers in the LE office in Salida. Apparently he hadn't bothered to bring any there himself.
 
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  • #638
I started out closer to the fence on this, but in order to believe BM is innocent you have to believe
the bike ride either happened OR whatever happened to SM happened Sunday morning and someone else staged the bike ride. So you are right that leaves only a) a mountain lion that leaves zero evidence behind b) a stranger abduction or c) someone close to SM who may have staged the bike. I suppose you could stretch and maybe offer d) SM staged the bike and ran off to start a new life.

We don't know if there is evidence that something happened at the house. If so, that alone rules out A and D definitively and pretty much rules out B, IMO (why would a stranger stage the bike?). But we don't know for sure.

LE ruled out a lion early, for pretty obvious reasons. D is a terrible theory and makes zero sense (though still probably a better theory than the mountain lion, IMO) C seems like a reach, and I have to believe anyone who would fit C would be on a short list that could be ruled in/out pretty quickly via alibis, GPS data, etc. Stranger abduction seems to be the most likely of this improbable list - though SM doesn't fit the abduction victim profile.

I certainly can't come up with anything else that is remotely possible. Not to mention, if you believe this, you also have to explain away all the circumstantial evidence (strange social media activity, weirdness at the hotel in Broomfield, his "mechanical thing to the bobcat", and the host of other bits and pieces of info we are aware of that don't look good for BM).
Excellent synopsis IMO and I can’t forget about the bleach smell at the house and hotel ....
JMO
 
  • #639
In a recent newscast with Lauren, BM, IIRC, told her he was surprised to learn that there were no "missing" flyers in the LE office in Salida. Apparently he hadn't bothered to bring any there himself.

If there's one thing we know, it's that BM loves to point fingers at everyone.
Except himself, of course.

I love it when BM assumes a posture of (faux) sanctimonious outrage about LE's purported mistakes in the investigation, i.e., "they screwed everything up."

As if he has the first clue about LE's investigative activities and evidence collection.

LE isn't exactly in the habit of debriefing suspects on their daily progress.

So there's that.

JMO.
 
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  • #640
19057 Puma Path, Salida, CO is not a huge house. Just moderate sq. footage.
 
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