Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #37

[gamma gal]

AM confirmed in a video interview that one thing he knows “for a fact” was that LE saw a large male mountain lion at the Morphew home. But no, there is no official report from LE on this or much else.

Could he have been baiting mountain lions to take care of a body?

 

[Error505]

bbm

If LE did indeed allow unnecessary trot-through along the road, shoulder and down the hill where the bike was discovered then shame on LE. If the bike was not properly handled as evidence then shame on LE. If it happened the way BM describes in TD's video (which I just watched, again) then shame on LE. They would have, indeed, screwed up potential evidence.

I don’t believe all of BM’s LIES.... BM wasn’t there iirc when the bike was found, if it was found & taken in as evidence. LE never confirmed this!

 

[10ofRods]

It is not the case that all volunteer firemen are drug tested. I've posted before about it, but it's not true where I live nor where my cousin lives in Colorado.

So please don't state that as fact.

Plus, even when "drug-testing" is done by such entities (public entities), it's rarely for steroids.

 

[osu]

Lauren Scharf
1 hour ago

Less than 48 hours from now hundreds of people will volunteer to search for Suzanne Morphew in Chaffee County. FOX21 News will be there to give updates about the search put on by Andy Moorman - Suzanne's brother. #FindSuzanne #BringSuzanneHome #Justice4Suzanne

Suzanne Morphew Search Sept. 24-29

 

[gamma gal]

bbm


That would not necessarily indicate LE suspected BM of anything. Since BM was not in town the day of the disappearance and it was (and still is) not definitively known what occurred and where, it only makes sense that LE would close off the dwelling from everyone other than investigative LE to avoid potential evidence contamination. A stranger could have entered the dwelling or was SM let them in and something happened, etc.

Yes, another possibility.

Could he have indeed left her sleeping or dead and had accomplices help dispose of body before reporting to "job" fixing wall?

 

[NuttMegg]

Could he have been baiting mountain lions to take care of a body?

Back when we had that long discussion about leaving bloody animal parts near the house, I wondered if he had manipulated SM into a vulnerable spot, causing her to think the area was more dangerous than it was. She was undergoing cancer treatment, she was small, he may have been intentionally causing her to feel weak and vulnerable to increase control over her, to curtail her recovery.
If he stopped her from taking commonly recommended pain killers, while she was fighting the battle no one wants to fight, I can see him crushing her from all angles. So I still have the opinion I had back then. A real hunter, a responsible hunter, a loving husband, would not leave bait near the house situated in the "woods". He might very well have been creating the scenario he so rapidly glommed onto, that no one else believes.....the cat got her!!!

 

[osu]

Separate groups of searchers are departing Tuesday and Wednesday for Maysville, Colorado, where Alexandria native Suzanne Moorman Morphew was last seen on May 10.

Volunteer 'army' departs for Colorado to search for Morphew

Andy Knight - The Herald Bulletin
1 hr ago

ALEXANDRIA — Three weeks after announcing an effort to gather hundreds of volunteers for an exhaustive search of a mountainous region in central Colorado for his missing sister, Andy Moorman has his army.

Separate groups of searchers were to depart Tuesday and Wednesday for Maysville, about 150 miles southwest of Denver, where Suzanne Moorman Morphew was last seen on May 10.

Altogether, an estimated 500 people signed up to be part of a five-day expedition to locate Morphew, 49, an Alexandria native. Approximately 200 additional people – including personnel from the Chaffee County Sheriff’s Office – will meet them in Colorado, according to Lisa Patz, a family friend who is helping Moorman coordinate the search.

The group's search efforts will begin in earnest on Thursday.

~snip

Patz said Moorman has been encouraged with the response he’s received to his efforts, and he’s especially gratified with the offers of assistance from the authorities in Colorado.

“His mindset is that he is determined he is going to find his sister and bring her home,” Patz said. “He deserves this. It’s been long enough. This needs to be done.”

More at link:
User

 

[10ofRods]

bbm


It is possible for BM to have left the hotel at 3:00 PM and to have done other things along the way home. It's also possible people reporting times have it wrong or the second hand info was wrong. Or, reported times are outright falsehoods?

Either way, AFAIK LE has not provided a timeline so we have no facts regarding definitive times in this context.

Which is interesting, in and of itself. There have been cases where the family members of missing persons have closely cooperated with LE and released joint timelines. In fact, it's the majority of missing person cases that I know about.

It's very hard for LE to tell families not to give timelines since, obviously, it's a key factor in finding a living person. It's been obvious since Day 1, that wasn't going to happen in that case.

For whatever reason, LE did not alert the public to a particular timeline which is standard procedure in many scenarios (mountain lion, suicide, stranger abduction, medical emergency, lost in the wilderness). Nor did the family (which is also common).

Why do you think LE would withhold the specific timeline? They have uttered cryptic statements about Suzanne communicating later in time than they originally thought (they asked for footage from May 8-12). Why would they do that?

I think at first they weren't sure she was still alive in the morning of May 9, then the BFF provided information that led to digital discovery that SM was still at her computer/phone at around noon on May 9.

One further point: LE isn't always perfect - that's why we have juries weigh the facts. But on WS, we aren't juries, we work with what we have.

I think there are some facts in this case. For example, I think the neighbor is truthful about her doings and when she went to the house. That hasn't been released by LE.

I think the work Lauren is doing on the timeline is excellent. Facts can be established without LE, obviously.

 

[gamma gal]

I am also highly suspicious of the "raked out" area at the construction site in Salida. Could she be buried in the muck that was then covered with rock? This has to be a different spot than where they were digging up the foundation. moo

 

[Error505]

Back to Coolers and Ice Chests for a minute.

Since LE found it unusual that there was not a single "cooler" they could find I wanted to see how many I had. I went out to the garage and counted. I have 5 ice chests of various sizes and my two large ones are quite large.

I can see why LE found this unusual because for a family like the M's, who we now know go camping, husband goes hunting, and also has construction work where having cold drinks nearby is a good thing to have, it seems to me that he should have had at least one cooler for use at his work.

Now the girls may have taken the main coolers with them camping but I would still expect BM should have had at least one for his own work usage when working his job sites.

I used to work for a construction crew where our boss always brought a shared large water cooler with ice every day. It was one of those water dispensers like the large plastic Gatorade water cooler dispensers. So it wasnt actually a regular Ice Chest but the boss always brought it every day for the crew's usage.

So even if BM did not bring one for his work crew, it seems to me he would have had one at least for his own usage at work or when he goes hunting.

Once the girls got home and once BM got home, if there were still no coolers or ice chests showing up, then that would strike me as strange too.

Its little things like this that sometimes becomes important circumstantial evidence to add to the list of other circumstantial evidence. Little things that a perp would not even think about.

Exactly... Just like when there were rumors of a suitcase missing from Gannon Stauch’s home, and poor GS is found stuffed in one months later in Florida. Little details perps don’t think about get them caught.

 

[JosieMae]

Back to Coolers and Ice Chests for a minute.

Since LE found it unusual that there was not a single "cooler" they could find I wanted to see how many I had. I went out to the garage and counted. I have 5 ice chests of various sizes and my two large ones are quite large.

I can see why LE found this unusual because for a family like the M's, who we now know go camping, husband goes hunting, and also has construction work where having cold drinks nearby is a good thing to have, it seems to me that he should have had at least one cooler for use at his work.

Now the girls may have taken the main coolers with them camping but I would still expect BM should have had at least one for his own work usage when working his job sites.

I used to work for a construction crew where our boss always brought a shared large water cooler with ice every day. It was one of those water dispensers like the large plastic Gatorade water cooler dispensers. So it wasnt actually a regular Ice Chest but the boss always brought it every day for the crew's usage.

So even if BM did not bring one for his work crew, it seems to me he would have had one at least for his own usage at work or when he goes hunting.

Once the girls got home and once BM got home, if there were still no coolers or ice chests showing up, then that would strike me as strange too.

Its little things like this that sometimes becomes important circumstantial evidence to add to the list of other circumstantial evidence. Little things that a perp would not even think about.

IMO the cooler question looms large in this case. I wonder if road cameras captured a large hunting cooler in the bed of BM's truck at some point yet it is no longer in his possession.

I also wonder if the elk parts were stored in the missing cooler until BM needed it to store something else.

Too sad to contemplate but ... here we are.

 

[Error505]

I doubt that the body, if found, would be at the vigil. Why would that occur? Maybe they would be buoyed, spiritually, by being around other people who loved /cared for their mother. Or maybe it would be painful, whichever they choose is their own business.

BBM Ahhh a moment of levity. Thank you @NuttMegg I lol’d at your first sentence!

 

[MassGuy]

Could he have indeed left her sleeping or dead and had accomplices help dispose of body before reporting to "job" fixing wall?

In that case, I would expect his alibi to be much more solid than it is.

His vehicle location information should support his alibi, as he wouldn’t have had to detour to hide Suzanne’s body.

From what CBI allegedly told Andy, that doesn’t appear to be the case.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

Could he have been baiting mountain lions to take care of a body?

That seems like a super risky move.

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

In that case, I would expect his alibi to be much more solid than it is.

His vehicle location information should support his alibi, as he wouldn’t have had to detour to hide Suzanne’s body.

From what CBI allegedly told Andy, that doesn’t appear to be the case.

Yeah I think we may all be giving BM more credit as a criminal mastermind than he is due. I think the only thing he has succeeded in doing is hiding her remains. Otherwise he has stumbled all over himself.

 

[NuttMegg]

In that case, I would expect his alibi to be much more solid than it is.

His vehicle location information should support his alibi, as he wouldn’t have had to detour to hide Suzanne’s body.

From what CBI allegedly told Andy, that doesn’t appear to be the case.

I sure wonder where that 30-40 mile figure came from. IE possible discrepancies in the VLI?

 

[DetectiveFoyleWannabe]

Exactly... Just like when there were rumors of a suitcase missing from Gannon Stauch’s home, and poor GS is found stuffed in one months later in Florida. Little details perps don’t think about get them caught.

Or the custom vintage bicycle missing from Fotis Dulos’s garage. Seen in his truck and on video as he rode to Jennifer’s house that morning.

 

[NuttMegg]

BBM Ahhh a moment of levity. Thank you @NuttMegg I lol’d at your first sentence!

I wasn't even making a joke. A poster was respectfully discussing the girls' possible appearance at a vigil, then another poster said the last memory of their mother should not be a decomposed body. Paraphrasing. But the whole posting began about the vigil. No one thinks they should be advised to go search for their Mom with a group of dozens of people, IMO, at least I don't.

Anyway I erased the post I made because it was poorly explained, by me.

 

[10ofRods]

IMO the cooler question looms large in this case. I wonder if road cameras captured a large hunting cooler in the bed of BM's truck at some point yet it is no longer in his possession.

I also wonder if the elk parts were stored in the missing cooler until BM needed it to store something else.

Too sad to contemplate but ... here we are.

The road cameras near the house are for traffic control, those don't have cameras. I do not believe there is any camera capture between Monarch Pass and Salida - a big area. @Dave F. will know - I believe he's the one who has mentioned it in earlier threads.

We have no word directly from LE about any cooler - that's AM's statement.

I find AM very credible - more now after his latest appearance on PE. Was always credible, but is ticking all my boxes, linguistically, for "truthful person."

 

[Boxer]

I sure wonder where that 30-40 mile figure came from. IE possible discrepancies in the VLI?

The distance has to be defined by a window of oppprtunty.
When was there an opportunity in the timeline?
AM suggests a window of opportunity that was no more than a couple of hours