Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #48

[DizzyB]

It was easier than that even:

He never actually had to put up the money (move it from his bank account to a reward fund). It was just an empty promise.

The odds of it being claimed were zero, as he knew she wasn’t being returned alive.

What’s your opinion on the match of the reward? Did that individual believe they would be ponying up 100k?

 

[TKG]

Someone asked about Andy in the chat on PE last night, and they said he needed to step out of the spotlight for a minute, and that the pressure was immense, but he's doing ok.

Thank you.

 

[Diddian]

I wonder why it was failed? Do have a link?

I edited my post to add the source of the information (PE website, SM Story Map, Search Warrants section, the two pages relating to permits and inspections).

 

[TKG]

Someone asked about Andy in the chat on PE last night, and they said he needed to step out of the spotlight for a minute, and that the pressure was immense, but he's doing ok.

Thank you.

 

[MassGuy]

What’s your opinion on the match of the reward? Did that individual believe they would be ponying up 100k?

Yeah, I think that reward match was likely made in good faith.

Again though, this was a promise that didn’t require that money to be ponied up right away.

 

[al66pine]

Called Friend or Neighbor First?

I tend to agree, but the neighbor has never been named.
I speculated early on that he was there because BM called him and asked him to head over there.
But then I have to wonder, if he could have called him to head over there after the fact, why didn't he call him in the first place to check on SM at the house, instead of calling the neighbor lady?...

@Ontario Mom Yes, ^ BM calling neighbor first seems a bit off.

But is it possible, before trying to call a neighbor,
- BM tried to call/text his (male) friend to ask to check for SM.
- Did not connect/got no answer, or was told- Wish I could help, but cannot ATM, can help later.
- Then BM called neighbor, asked her to check for SM.

Just rambling. my2cts.

 

[Ontario Mom]

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[Murphy1950]

I’m sorry if I annoyed anyone though!

Edited to make those pesky paragraphs.

RSBM

Absolutely No need to apologize, it was a very informative post. Many of us enjoyed it and the continued speculation as to the "5". I feel as you do about the PE gentlemen but they aren't everybody's cup of tea, such is life.

 

[Knox]

I definitely don’t think so. I believe it was a public relations effort to avert suspicion.

When his staged bike ride scenario collapsed, he would have been absolutely panicked. He couldn’t stand next to the sheriff and repeat lies that he had already been called on. I think that was the basis of the “too soon” remark.

He had to release a statement, and appeal for his missing wife. That was expected of him, and he had to appease his family and friends.

Had he done what every family member of a missing loved one does in a situation like this, he would have opened himself up to questions from the media.

Questions that he was not prepared to answer.

So the video and huge reward would compensate for his failure to do that, while protecting himself.

It backfired.

That private video and the amount of money offered, was a FIRST here at WS.

Better yet, LE never linked to the reward nor even mentioned it. Maybe that's common, I can't honestly recall if they get involved in private reward money?

 

[MsBetsy]

Really? Well if you are right then I will be so disappointed. When I hear PE say things like we have significant information and we have known it for awhile but don’t want to jeopardize the investigation it sounds very credible to me. If they were just speculating would they put their reputations on the line like that? Maybe I’m just gullible and drinking up the Koolaid!

This was my first case that I have followed and I’ve definitely learned some hard lessons along the way. I’m also new to YouTube and the monetization of it all. But they all have to do that and I understand many YT creators say certain things or string us along so people will come back or join their membership. PE has to create content to keep viewers coming back to stay competitive. But I don’t think they would intentionally lie or mislead their viewers. Mike and Chris have integrity and solid backgrounds (in my opinion). I fully agree they have “teased” us repeatedly with the “five” clue but I really thought that was because one of them got carried away and revealed more than they should have so they have been dragging it out until it is safe to disclose the meaning. That’s why I was shocked by what Chris said last night on their members live chat. And yes I get that they want viewers to pay for a membership and they want to give members something extra to make it worth it, etc. but I believe what they are saying.

I think PE have deep long standing LE connections specifically with the CBI & FBI not the CCSO. I realize CBI or FBI can’t technically give out information about an active investigation to PE but I think colleagues or “brothers in blue” have a way of discussing and sharing things unofficially. I think it happens and perhaps PE shared too many hints about things told to them in confidence. Maybe whoever gave them this information is not happy with them at all about it and will not be discussing anything further with PE from now on so they don’t know if the five areas have been searched or not or if anything was found. I got the impression that PE was sort of working with LE on the public crowd sourcing side of the investigation and might have also done a lot to help them so they both benefit. It’s hard to work together without sharing information.

I don’t know...but I respect your opinion @K9Enzo and it seems like there are others that agree with you. I thought there were a lot of others like me who still want to get to the bottom of what the “five” clue meant so that’s why I brought it to the thread again. I’m sorry if I annoyed anyone though!

Edited to make those pesky paragraphs.

I think when they say they have "significant information" they are referring to the facts they have gathered themselves, which would include what Andy and others have told them came from LE, as well as what other searchers like the divers have found.

I can't imagine the FBI, CBI or the Sheriff's Dept. would share any information with anyone outside the investigation. Sometimes they rely on the media to help get information out to the public but I doubt they are working with PE or any other show. They may welcome any tips from them, though. You never know what will end up turning into a lead.

It doesn't mean the PE guys are misleading anyone. They are just making inferences based on the evidence they have heard about. Before the interviews and reports by LS and all the details AM revealed, we knew very little. PE has generated a lot of information since then and are trying to put the pieces together themselves. They don't know what evidence might be relevant so that's probably why they are saying they don't want to hinder the investigation.

IMO

 

[MassGuy]

That private video and the amount of money offered, was a FIRST here at WS.

Better yet, LE never linked to the reward nor even mentioned it. Maybe that's common, I can't honestly recall if they get involved in private reward money?

It was weird for two reasons:

The speed at which it was offered.

The amount that was offered.

It was like LE wanted nothing to do with that reward, as they already knew it was pointless.

 

[al66pine]

New Entries for OED?

.... diggy thingies and pully thingies...

... murder-y parts...

sbm on both ^
Thank you to @kshultz06082 and @Megnut for proving once again, English is a living language.

ETA for boo-boos.

 

[Knox]

It was weird for two reasons:

The speed at which it was offered.

The amount that was offered.

It was like LE wanted nothing to do with that reward, as they already knew it was pointless.

Yet many of the posters on the find page, intimate LE is connected to the reward, IMO.
Find Suzanne Morphew
Find Suzanne Morphew

Is it normal to condition the reward to a "safe return"?

 

[MassGuy]

Yet many of the posters on the find page, intimate LE is connected to the reward, IMO.
Find Suzanne Morphew
Find Suzanne Morphew

Is it normal to condition the reward to a "safe return"?

The condition of the reward itself doesn’t bother me, and I’ve seen it plenty in past cases. That’s also how I would initially do it.

At this stage though, it should be changed to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator.

For obvious reasons, that won’t happen here.

 

[MrsWatson]

I tend to think this is all BM, all alone. If anyone else is involved, it is after the fact, and could be unwittingly. I get that feeling about MG. I think there may be others who feel the same. I wonder if all the employees involved in the wall job and the neighbor feel that way. When all the information becomes known to them, they have an "oh **&" moment and it all comes together. Some of them may be a bit shy with LE, but I think some may be horrified at what they know and only too willing to talk about what they know.

I have great respect for the PE guys. I think they are seasoned law professionals who know their stuff. I don't like the riddles, but they do have good information and insight. I don't believe they would jeopardize this case, or any others. It would not surprise me if some of their info is vetted with LE before they talk about it and I think they could have let things slip that maybe they shouldn't have. We know LE is working away behind the scenes and even though they aren't making any announcements, we've sure gotten a lot of info from PE, haven't we? Strategy perhaps?

It's good to know Andy is as okay as he can be.

All my opinion and speculation.

 

[StarrDetective]

Wherever Suzanne rests, she is hidden. Shows me it was a well thought out plan.

or just clever afterthought.

 

[skyvoyager]

I can't believe the five means her remains are in five different locations, because LE doesn't need 100% of her remains to make their case. JMO

Just don't ask me what the "five" DOES mean, because it makes no sense to me...

code 33 and all that

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I was picturing that the bulk of dirt carried would have been in the upturned bucket of the bobcat. I've never seen anyone transport equipment while carrying dirt in the bucket, though. But who knows what the actor might try.

Would the body of a smallish person fit in the bucket, maybe with just enough dirt piled over to make it look like dirt only?

I think, it would have been very "outlandish", to carry dirt in a bucket of a bobcat on a trailer for 3 hours along high way. I can imagine, that it is even forbidden to have a filled bobcat on a trailer. But Idk. On the other hand, BM does, what he wants to do, it seems. Also disregarding regulations, when he needs it. IMO

 

[kkdj]

What’s your opinion on the match of the reward? Did that individual believe they would be ponying up 100k?

I do believe so. I have heard who it is and imo it's offered from someone who really cares.

 

[Warwick7]

Really? Well if you are right then I will be so disappointed. When I hear PE say things like we have significant information and we have known it for awhile but don’t want to jeopardize the investigation it sounds very credible to me. If they were just speculating would they put their reputations on the line like that? Maybe I’m just gullible and drinking up the Koolaid!

This was my first case that I have followed and I’ve definitely learned some hard lessons along the way. I’m also new to YouTube and the monetization of it all. But they all have to do that and I understand many YT creators say certain things or string us along so people will come back or join their membership. PE has to create content to keep viewers coming back to stay competitive. But I don’t think they would intentionally lie or mislead their viewers. Mike and Chris have integrity and solid backgrounds (in my opinion). I fully agree they have “teased” us repeatedly with the “five” clue but I really thought that was because one of them got carried away and revealed more than they should have so they have been dragging it out until it is safe to disclose the meaning. That’s why I was shocked by what Chris said last night on their members live chat. And yes I get that they want viewers to pay for a membership and they want to give members something extra to make it worth it, etc. but I believe what they are saying.

I think PE have deep long standing LE connections specifically with the CBI & FBI not the CCSO. I realize CBI or FBI can’t technically give out information about an active investigation to PE but I think colleagues or “brothers in blue” have a way of discussing and sharing things unofficially. I think it happens and perhaps PE shared too many hints about things told to them in confidence. Maybe whoever gave them this information is not happy with them at all about it and will not be discussing anything further with PE from now on so they don’t know if the five areas have been searched or not or if anything was found. I got the impression that PE was sort of working with LE on the public crowd sourcing side of the investigation and might have also done a lot to help them so they both benefit. It’s hard to work together without sharing information.

I don’t know...but I respect your opinion @K9Enzo and it seems like there are others that agree with you. I thought there were a lot of others like me who still want to get to the bottom of what the “five” clue meant so that’s why I brought it to the thread again. I’m sorry if I annoyed anyone though!

Edited to make those pesky paragraphs.

EXCELLENT POST!!!