Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #51

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  • #541
Chris & Mike were both on Choir Practice #20- just 5 days ago. However, Mike (alone) has given
4-5 quick updates since then. Perhaps Chris had a few days off.
 
  • #542
Wow, just wow! I had to listen a few times but yes...that sounds like the one and only.
Yes! It gave me chills & then the heeby jeeby's!
 
  • #543
You are so right! Personally, I just have to give more weight to MG’s account having been there in “real time.” BM’s comment about having to “make the wife happy” may be nothing more than a ploy to portray SM as still being alive, when she may already have been dead. Not that I disbelieve AM, I’m just not convinced the information he received is 100% accurate. No disrespect to AM, at all. JMHO
I feel the same way about AM. I think he is a loving, caring brother. I also think in those early frantic days of SM’s disappearance AM was given some conflicting information and that he also misremembered certain facts.
 
  • #544
So...I’m always the last to know...are Chris & Mike not working together anymore?

If I didn't dream this, I believe Chris and his wife sold their house and are now travelling around the country in a mobile home. Maybe that's why Mike has picked up making most of the PE videos, and since Chris will be on the move, he will bounce around doing interviews. It was mentioned in one of their Choir Practice videos, but I have no idea which one now. If I come across it again, I'll post better info.

I am so excited to see what's in store Chris' new channel!
 
  • #545
I do think it was SM, and the "abrutly ended" conversation was whenever something went sour between BM and SM, when he left the jobsite with MG and went home to "make the wife happy".
Maybe an argument, maybe someone lost their temper, who knows.
rs&bbm
I have wondered if it was as simple as BM went home to make SM “happy” by biking or hiking, but she wanted to talk to her friend and he got mad.
moo
 
  • #546
Wow, just wow! I had to listen a few times but yes...that sounds like the one and only.

What was said? I'm sorry. The advert. kept coming on and I couldn't make it out. TIA
 
  • #547
What was said? I'm sorry. The advert. kept coming on and I couldn't make it out. TIA

At the very end of the promo, there is a voice that says "This is Barry." o_Oo_Oo_O
 
  • #548
rs&bbm
I have wondered if it was as simple as BM went home to make SM “happy” by biking or hiking, but she wanted to talk to her friend and he got mad.
moo

I've been leaning that way for quite a while.
If it was planned, it was the worst planning ever.
The actions after the fact were rushed, sloppy, and obvious.
What makes it even worse, is if it wasn't BM that disappeared Suzanne, he's the most unlucky man on the planet, to have engaged in such rushed, sloppy, obvious cover-up like actions on the very same weekend Suzanne went missing.

jmo
 
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MOO "Losing control" isn't what it seems, in my opinion.
Someone starting to rage always has a choice, even when rage mad 99.9 pecent of people, redirect their anger to ruining property, yelling and storming off etc.

Deciding to direct a rage and it's consequences as physical violence toward a person is a choice, calculatedly weighing consequences beneath the fury.
Yes I understand and agree, someone in a mad rage has the option to redirect their anger as you describe above, and IMO the vast majority do redirect. Sorry if my post wasn’t clear, but the point I was trying to make was that *IF* the scenario I described is what went down between BM & SM (during some sort of domestic argument which escalated, “someone” lost control-meaning went into a rage), that this particular “someone” did NOT opt to redirect their rage. And here we are.

IANAL but just going off memory of what I’ve heard and read in the past, say someone strangled someone else to death in a fit of rage (there are many ways to kill someone in a rage and not saying strangulation is or is not what happened to SM), some people may opine/argue etc., over whether this is considered a premeditated act since it can take anywhere from approx. 2-3 minutes for a victim of strangulation to perish, so the strangler has time to think about the ultimate consequence of their action and make a decision to stop.

From what I understand, alot of it has to do with the circumstances, and whether there was forethought, deliberation, intent etc., and of course, it must be proven to have been premeditated in a court of law. Stating the obvious, no matter what anyone’s opinion is of a crime having been premeditated, and it may seem glaringly obvious that it was, not all murders committed in a fit of rage are proven/won in court as having been premeditated. But since we’re talking about a *possible* rage murder in this instance, I remember reading some time ago, about a couple of cases where the person on trial strangled someone to death during a DV argument, the defendant’s lawyers argued that it wasn’t premeditated because the defendant was “provoked” in the heat of the moment, the jury agreed and a lesser charge than Murder 1 was handed down. Another case where defendant’s lawyers argued it was self defense, just trying to protect themself during a “heat of the moment” dispute of some sort that became physical, again, the jury agreed and instead of Murder 1, defendant was awarded a lesser charge. It seems as though it’s not cut and dry, the lines are blurred and it’s confusing sometimes, TO ME anyway.

I’m not looking to start a debate on the topic, but posted a couple links below in case anyone wonders about all this like me. One is a link of the legal definition of premeditation, the other’s a link describing deliberation and premeditation in Colorado.

Of note, BBM and snipped from the very bottom of article:

It is not always clear whether a suspect acted with premeditation and deliberation. Therefore, courts look to such as evidence as the suspect’s conduct and words, expert testimony, witnesses, and evidence from the crime scene”

legal definition of premeditation - Google Search

What are "premeditation and deliberation" in Colorado murder cases?


All of the above is IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
 
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  • #551
I've been leaning that way for quite a while.
If it was planned, it was the worst planning ever.
The actions after the fact were rushed, sloppy, and obvious.
What makes it even worse, is if it wasn't BM that disappeared Suzanne, he's the most unlucky man on the planet, to have engaged in such rushed, sloppy, obvious cover-up like actions on the very same weekend Suzanne went missing.

jmo
Yes- he really couldn't have made himself look more suspicious unless he had cleaned up his motel room with bleach.

Of wait a minute...
 
  • #552
Has anyone searched the neighbor's house? It might be a movie thing where the neighbor is the one responsible, but I guess it could be true. Since she was the only one who saw the woman go on a bike ride. And you might think it's weird that she chose to give a statement if she's responsible, but that actually makes sense since she would want to know where the investigation is. Plus it takes out most of the suspicion off of her. So I would get a search warrant, or if she doesn't have anything to hide then she should cooperate. I am not really sure about this idea but Susan could be going through something really terrible, so why not try this out?
 
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  • #553
I've been leaning that way for quite a while.
If it was planned, it was the worst planning ever.
The actions after the fact were rushed, sloppy, and obvious.
What makes it even worse, is if it wasn't BM that disappeared Suzanne, he's the most unlucky man on the planet, to have engaged in such rushed, sloppy, obvious cover-up like actions on the very same weekend Suzanne went missing.

jmo
However sloppy, rushed and obvious BM’s actions appear, LE hasn’t arrested him. What does that say? It says to me that somebody is worried that a jury isn’t going to view BM’s actions as sloppy, rushed and obvious.
 
  • #554
Yes I understand and agree, someone in a mad rage has the option to redirect their anger as you describe above, and IMO the vast majority do redirect. Sorry if my post wasn’t clear, but the point I was trying to make was that *IF* the scenario I described is what went down between BM & SM (during some sort of domestic argument which escalated, “someone” lost control-meaning went into a rage), that this particular “someone” did NOT opt to redirect their rage. And here we are.

IANAL but just going off memory of what I’ve heard and read in the past, say someone strangled someone else to death in a fit of rage (there are many ways to kill someone in a rage and not saying strangulation is or is not what happened to SM), some people may opine/argue etc., over whether this is considered a premeditated act since it can take anywhere from approx. 2-3 minutes for a victim of strangulation to perish, so the strangler has time to think about the ultimate consequence of their action and make a decision to stop.

From what I understand, alot of it has to do with the circumstances, and whether there was forethought, deliberation, intent etc., and of course, it must be proven to have been premeditated in a court of law. Stating the obvious, no matter what anyone’s opinion is of a crime having been premeditated, and it may seem glaringly obvious that it was, not all murders committed in a fit of rage are proven/won in court as having been premeditated. But since we’re talking about a *possible* rage murder in this instance, I remember reading some time ago, about a couple of cases where the person on trial strangled someone to death during a DV argument, the defendant’s lawyers argued that it wasn’t premeditated because the defendant was “provoked” in the heat of the moment, the jury agreed and a lesser charge than Murder 1 was handed down. Another case where defendant’s lawyers argued it was self defense, just trying to protect themself during a “heat of the moment” dispute of some sort that became physical, again, the jury agreed and instead of Murder 1, defendant was awarded a lesser charge. It seems as though it’s not cut and dry, the lines are blurred and it’s confusing sometimes, TO ME anyway.

I’m not looking to start a debate on the topic, but posted a couple links below in case anyone wonders about all this like me. One is a link of the legal definition of premeditation, the other’s a link describing deliberation and premeditation in Colorado.

Of note, BBM and snipped from the very bottom of article:

It is not always clear whether a suspect acted with premeditation and deliberation. Therefore, courts look to such as evidence as the suspect’s conduct and words, expert testimony, witnesses, and evidence from the crime scene”

legal definition of premeditation - Google Search

What are "premeditation and deliberation" in Colorado murder cases?


All of the above is IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
Agree.
Luckily most states consider the fact of whether first was there thought process to think of a method and then whether there was time to change course.
MOO Strangulation can't really be other than premeditated, as 2 minutes under those circumstances is a very long time.
 
  • #555
DBM.
 
  • #556
Yes I understand and agree, someone in a mad rage has the option to redirect their anger as you describe above, and IMO the vast majority do redirect. Sorry if my post wasn’t clear, but the point I was trying to make was that *IF* the scenario I described is what went down between BM & SM (during some sort of domestic argument which escalated, “someone” lost control-meaning went into a rage), that this particular “someone” did NOT opt to redirect their rage. And here we are.

IANAL but just going off memory of what I’ve heard and read in the past, say someone strangled someone else to death in a fit of rage (there are many ways to kill someone in a rage and not saying strangulation is or is not what happened to SM), some people may opine/argue etc., over whether this is considered a premeditated act since it can take anywhere from approx. 2-3 minutes for a victim of strangulation to perish, so the strangler has time to think about the ultimate consequence of their action and make a decision to stop.

From what I understand, alot of it has to do with the circumstances, and whether there was forethought, deliberation, intent etc., and of course, it must be proven to have been premeditated in a court of law. Stating the obvious, no matter what anyone’s opinion is of a crime having been premeditated, and it may seem glaringly obvious that it was, not all murders committed in a fit of rage are proven/won in court as having been premeditated. But since we’re talking about a *possible* rage murder in this instance, I remember reading some time ago, about a couple of cases where the person on trial strangled someone to death during a DV argument, the defendant’s lawyers argued that it wasn’t premeditated because the defendant was “provoked” in the heat of the moment, the jury agreed and a lesser charge than Murder 1 was handed down. Another case where defendant’s lawyers argued it was self defense, just trying to protect themself during a “heat of the moment” dispute of some sort that became physical, again, the jury agreed and instead of Murder 1, defendant was awarded a lesser charge. It seems as though it’s not cut and dry, the lines are blurred and it’s confusing sometimes, TO ME anyway.

I’m not looking to start a debate on the topic, but posted a couple links below in case anyone wonders about all this like me. One is a link of the legal definition of premeditation, the other’s a link describing deliberation and premeditation in Colorado.

Of note, BBM and snipped from the very bottom of article:

“It is not always clear whether a suspect acted with premeditation and deliberation. Therefore, courts look to such as evidence as the suspect’s conduct and words, expert testimony, witnesses, and evidence from the crime scene”

legal definition of premeditation - Google Search

What are "premeditation and deliberation" in Colorado murder cases?


All of the above is IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
Quoting my own post as wanted to ETA for clarity, but too late. Sometimes my brain works too fast and what I type isn’t necessarily clear. ;)

BBM for clarity:
the jury agreed and handed down a guilty verdict of a lesser charge than what the defendant was initially charged with, which was Murder 1.

IMHO

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzannrHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
 
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  • #557
I log on every day, hoping to see ARREST has been added to Suzanne’s thread title. Patience.
 
  • #558
Deliberation?
CO. Statute, First Degree Murder. "(a) After deliberation and with the intent to cause the death of a person other than himself, he causes the death of that person or of another person;  or..." *
Okay, so what's deliberation?
"(3) The term 'after deliberation' means... the decision to commit the act has been made after the exercise of reflection and judgment concerning the act. An act committed after deliberation is never one which has been committed in a hasty or impulsive manner."**

Different from second degree murder in which "the person knowingly causes the death of a person..."***

"....where the act causing the death was performed upon a sudden heat of passion, caused by a serious and highly provoking act of the intended victim, affecting the defendant sufficiently to excite an irresistible passion in a reasonable person...."***

_______________________________________________________________
* § 18-3-102. Murder in the first degree. 2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 3 - :: Offenses Against the Person :: Part 1 - :: Homicide and Related Offenses :: § 18-3-102. Murder in the first degree
** § 18-3-101. Definition of terms. "As used in this part 1, unless the context otherwise requires:...
(3) The term "after deliberation" means not only intentionally but also that the decision to commit the act has been made after the exercise of reflection and judgment concerning the act. An act committed after deliberation is never one which has been committed in a hasty or impulsive manner."
2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 3 - :: Offenses Against the Person :: Part 1 - :: Homicide and Related Offenses :: § 18-3-101. Definition of terms
Universal Citation: CO Rev Stat § 18-3-101 (2016)

*** § 18-3-103. Murder in the second degree. "(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (a) of this subsection (3), murder in the second degree is a class 3 felony where the act causing the death was performed upon a sudden heat of passion, caused by a serious and highly provoking act of the intended victim, affecting the defendant sufficiently to excite an irresistible passion in a reasonable person; but, if between the provocation and the killing there is an interval sufficient for the voice of reason and humanity to be heard, the killing is a class 2 felony.
^ 2016 Colorado Revised Statutes :: Title 18 - :: Criminal Code :: Article 3 - :: Offenses Against the Person :: Part 1 - :: Homicide and Related Offenses :: § 18-3-103. Murder in the second degree
 
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  • #560
Quoting my own post as wanted to ETA for clarity, but too late. Sometimes my brain works too fast and what I type isn’t necessarily clear. ;)

BBM for clarity:
the jury agreed and handed down a guilty verdict of a lesser charge than what the defendant was initially charged with, which was Murder 1.

IMHO

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzannrHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
Colorado still has crime of passion defense so this makes sense.
 
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