Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #52

[Minordetails]

A lot of doubt and suspicion have been cast on Barry, because of his seemingly callous and almost non existent response to the whole situation. His wife is missing and he appears to be more concerned about himself and his reputation, than finding out what happened to SM.

I can only think of 2 scenarios that might explain BM’s behaviour and one is way more likely than the other

1) BM killed her
2) SM used this perfect opportunity to take off on her own or with someone , and Barry is suspicious

 

[Rachelj1]

Thank you for reminding us of what a classless boar he truly is. Expressing how “entitled” he feels he is. “I loved your daughter,” past tense! He KNEW early on that SM wasn’t coming back. I can “speculate” how he knew that, but I’d like to keep my privileges for the moment in case there’s an arrest .
All MOO, naturally.

"Entitled" is such a good word for him I think... he wanted her assets

A lot of doubt and suspicion have been cast on Barry, because of his seemingly callous and almost non existent response to the whole situation. His wife is missing and he appears to be more concerned about himself and his reputation, than finding out what happened to SM.

I can only think of 2 scenarios that might explain BM’s behaviour and one is way more likely than the other

1) BM killed her
2) SM used this perfect opportunity to take off on her own or with someone , and Barry is suspicious

I think #1. I can’t imagine her leaving her daughters. It’s not a hit man IMO either Bc there would of been traces of the hire .
Moo

 

[Rachelj1]

There was some discussion here early on about how long you have after someone dies before the cadaver related scent is released. I don’t recall the exact time but I want to say it’s over an hour? So theoretically, a murder could have happened at the house, and if the body is contained in a cooler, removed from the house and disposed of, it would be possible that cadaver dogs wouldn’t find a scent at the home.

I think you are correct!!

 

[susiQ]

A lot of doubt and suspicion have been cast on Barry, because of his seemingly callous and almost non existent response to the whole situation. His wife is missing and he appears to be more concerned about himself and his reputation, than finding out what happened to SM.

I can only think of 2 scenarios that might explain BM’s behaviour and one is way more likely than the other

1) BM killed her
2) SM used this perfect opportunity to take off on her own or with someone , and Barry is suspicious

I’ll take Door #1 thank you with a large helping of JMVHO.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I think this entire case is about picking and choosing who one wants to believe as mysteries often are. Saints and Sinners at times which I find interesting. I am a person who focuses on the facts and believe that most anecdotal information from those not in LE probably is a combination of fact and fiction.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Why would people think Suzanne paid for vacations etc? She did not work in a paying job so not bringing the day to day cash and we have no idea what their annual revenue was either from Indiana or from Barry’s subcontract work in Colorado. I would think their day to day would come from current income. They would write off Barry’s vehicles and other expenses but their primary cash needs would be taxes, utilities, the other vehicles, college expenses, day to day gas, groceries and a vacation once a year. Seems doable with revenue from Barry’s business and anything going on in Indiana since they don’t have any mortgages. Seems to me like a couple who was working their finances toward post kid life and retirement. I guess I don’t see where Suzanne was bringing in the day to day cost of living. It looks on surface like they used land and real estate in their financial plan. You wouldn’t even need to pull in six figures annually when you don’t have a mortgage and lead a very nice upper middle class life in my opinion. They would be a very unique couple to have been married so long and not have their long term financially planning commingled and joint? Is there a different way I am not grasping?

 

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[fcavanaugh]

"Entitled" is such a good word for him I think... he wanted her assets

I think #1. I can’t imagine her leaving her daughters. It’s not a hit man IMO either Bc there would of been traces of the hire .
Moo

RBBM
ITA. Hitmen typically don’t take bodies with them either.

IMHO

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne

 

[Force Ten]

There was some discussion here early on about how long you have after someone dies before the cadaver related scent is released. I don’t recall the exact time but I want to say it’s over an hour? So theoretically, a murder could have happened at the house, and if the body is contained in a cooler, removed from the house and disposed of, it would be possible that cadaver dogs wouldn’t find a scent at the home.

Dogs can detect a scent after decades.

 

[DeDee]

There was some discussion here early on about how long you have after someone dies before the cadaver related scent is released. I don’t recall the exact time but I want to say it’s over an hour? So theoretically, a murder could have happened at the house, and if the body is contained in a cooler, removed from the house and disposed of, it would be possible that cadaver dogs wouldn’t find a scent at the home.

THE STAGES OF HUMAN DECOMPOSITION

To be sure, WSs discussed the information; however, in my perusal, I managed to skip that discussion :/

Dr. Arpad Vass, who testified about Caylee Anthony's body, wrote this:
"human decomposition begins around four minutes after a person dies" and "the rate of human decomposition varies due to several factors, including weather, temperature, moisture, pH and oxygen levels, cause of death, and body position"


Anthropologist Keith Jacobi of the U of Alabama says the death dogs are able to detect remains at all stages of decomposition.
The CSI death dogs: Sniffing out the truth behind the crime-scene

Four Minutes would mean the body would need to exit the home quite rapidly because cells begin eating themselves in a process called autolysis.

Placing a dying body inside a cooler indicates terrifying prior planning.

 

[Ontario Mom]

A lot of doubt and suspicion have been cast on Barry, because of his seemingly callous and almost non existent response to the whole situation. His wife is missing and he appears to be more concerned about himself and his reputation, than finding out what happened to SM.

I can only think of 2 scenarios that might explain BM’s behaviour and one is way more likely than the other

1) BM killed her
2) SM used this perfect opportunity to take off on her own or with someone , and Barry is suspicious

Given the way she's been described by pretty much everyone that ever knew her, a devoted Christian wife and mother, taking off either alone or with someone else would be quite out of character, I would think.

Of course that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, but I think it's rather improbable.
It also doesn't automatically mean BM killed her, but I cannot think of a single reason for him to have said and done what he's said and done, and not be guilty of what many presume he's guilty of.

jmo

 

[fcavanaugh]

Given the way she's been described by pretty much everyone that ever knew her, a devoted Christian wife and mother, taking off either alone or with someone else would be quite out of character, I would think.

Of course that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened, but I think it's rather improbable.
It also doesn't automatically mean BM killed her, but I cannot think of a single reason for him to have said and done what he's said and done, and not be guilty of what many presume he's guilty of.

jmo

RBBM
I agree. If BM isn’t responsible, the only way for me to be able to reconcile what he’s said, done, and not done since his wife of nearly 3 decades vanished off the face of the earth, is he’s possibly covering for someone(s?) else that he *may have* gotten himself into serious trouble with, with regard to possible shady, nefarious criminal dealings etc., sending a strong message (don’t mess with us or else). Stranger things have been known to happen, but I personally think this theory is reaching, far-fetched, and really don’t think it’s the case here. It’s just I can’t reconcile things about BM’s odd, bizarre statements and behaviors since SM went missing otherwise.

As for Suzanne voluntarily leaving her life behind, to me the chances are slim to none. Personally, I’ve ruled this option out completely, as like you said, her character, and everything we’ve learned about her makes it highly improbable to say the least. I believe she’d have contacted her daughters, AM and her family, and LE by now, to let them know she’s ok, safe. IMO, Suzanne would never put her loved ones through all this heartache if she left voluntarily and is alive and safe somewhere.

All of the above IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne

 

[al66pine]

BM's Exact Words?

My sincere apologies! I’ve never been good at splitting hairs.

@susiQ No need to apologize about splitting or not splitting hair.

You must devote a lot of time to shampooing, conditioning, grooming all those feathers in your avatar.
Your plumage always looks lovely.

 

[EggSalad]

Dogs can detect a scent after decades.

It has to be present, before they could smell it decades later.

A poster, much more knowledgeable than me, sent me this info:


It's about 12 hours (before cadaverine shows up)

Very hot weather can speed it up...but neither dogs nor sophisticated sensors are able to pick it up until at least 4 hours - and it's usually 12-24 hours.

Not one hour.

The chemical is called cadaverine.

 

[OldCop]

I’ve inferred some think it’s still a strong possibility someone other than BM is responsible for disappearing Suzanne but don’t remember reading a full theory thereof, and wondering if someone who still feels it a strong possibility, could posit a theory where an intruder/stalker, or someone Suzanne knows, is responsible for disappearing her,
that factors in how it came to be they were in the PP home on Sunday after BM left for Broomfield, why they chucked SM’s bike down a ravine off the side of road, what they may have done with SM/her body, why LE would have got a search warrant to dig up the husband’s worksite, and how this person’s managed to stay under LE’s radar since.

I’m genuinely curious about thoughts on this.

TIA.

IMHO

Okay, I’ll bite except I don’t think it’s anybody but BM who disappeared SM.
Suspect 1]. The Stalker. He loves SM wants her for himself. Somehow he knows BM will be out of town on Sunday and that the girls are not around. Employee? Friend?
He goes to the home and she lets him in. He overcomes her so he can bring her out to his vehicle and take her away. On his way out with a struggling woman he decides to grab the bike so he can throw it over the side of the hill. He brings her to his lair where she has remained captive for the last nine months. On his way, a little farther down the road, he throws out her bike helmet to leave a trail for LE.
Suspect 2] The Intruder. He is going to rob the place. He breaks in even though there are cars and trucks at the home. He surprises SM. He rapes and kills her. Then he decides to take away her dead body and her bike.
Suspect 3]. The Stranger Abductor. He’s driving around the backroads near a busy trailhead and popular lake. He decides this would be a good place to abduct someone. He has his mind set on a cute young coed, but decides on a 49 year old woman on a bike instead. He spots her riding along the road section that is closest to the highway and the parking lot, (better chance of getting caught). He uses his vehicle to knock her off her bike and manages to do it without causing any damage. Or he jumps out, grabs her off her bike, and while she is struggling with him, he manages to throw the bike over the side of the hill. He throws her in his vehicle and drives off to kill her somewhere else. Just like The Intruder, he decides to throw her helmet out the window up the road to give LE a good clue to follow.

So, @fcavanaugh, even though I am trying very hard to look away from BM as the main POI, I am having an extremely difficult time coming up with a good scenario that completely ignores BM’s actions, attitude, and behavior while trying to fit another suspect into the pieces of the case that we do know. Sorry!

 

[kittythehare]

It has to be present, before they could smell it decades later.

A poster, much more knowledgeable than me, sent me this info:


It's about 12 hours (before cadaverine shows up)

Very hot weather can speed it up...but neither dogs nor sophisticated sensors are able to pick it up until at least 4 hours - and it's usually 12-24 hours.

Not one hour.

The chemical is called cadaverine.

I'm searching for some research that shows they can detect decomposition which consists of several odors, not just cadaverine in less than an hour post mortem.
The discussion arose on the Ying Ying Zhang case, I'm unable to locate it right now.
This is a really good link to the study of cadaver dogs, not finished reading it yet, not sure it's original link with the less than an hour narrative
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/217066449.pdf

 

[Force Ten]

It has to be present, before they could smell it decades later.

A poster, much more knowledgeable than me, sent me this info:


It's about 12 hours (before cadaverine shows up)

Very hot weather can speed it up...but neither dogs nor sophisticated sensors are able to pick it up until at least 4 hours - and it's usually 12-24 hours.

Not one hour.

The chemical is called cadaverine.

I don’t agree with that. The body begins to decompose after 4 minutes of death. Granted yes, temperature will play a factor. Imo it would have to do with the handler and not the dog’s ability to detect.

 

[TIGER0822]

That is the $1,000,000.00 question.

My guess is that they had more persuasive information than a neighbor who heard loud machinery running, in order to be granted the search warrant.

 

[susiQ]

Okay, I’ll bite except I don’t think it’s anybody but BM who disappeared SM.
Suspect 1]. The Stalker. He loves SM wants her for himself. Somehow he knows BM will be out of town on Sunday and that the girls are not around. Employee? Friend?
He goes to the home and she lets him in. He overcomes her so he can bring her out to his vehicle and take her away. On his way out with a struggling woman he decides to grab the bike so he can throw it over the side of the hill. He brings her to his lair where she has remained captive for the last nine months. On his way, a little farther down the road, he throws out her bike helmet to leave a trail for LE.
Suspect 2] The Intruder. He is going to rob the place. He breaks in even though there are cars and trucks at the home. He surprises SM. He rapes and kills her. Then he decides to take away her dead body and her bike.
Suspect 3]. The Stranger Abductor. He’s driving around the backroads near a busy trailhead and popular lake. He decides this would be a good place to abduct someone. He has his mind set on a cute young coed, but decides on a 49 year old woman on a bike instead. He spots her riding along the road section that is closest to the highway and the parking lot, (better chance of getting caught). He uses his vehicle to knock her off her bike and manages to do it without causing any damage. Or he jumps out, grabs her off her bike, and while she is struggling with him, he manages to throw the bike over the side of the hill. He throws her in his vehicle and drives off to kill her somewhere else. Just like The Intruder, he decides to throw her helmet out the window up the road to give LE a good clue to follow.

So, @fcavanaugh, even though I am trying very hard to look away from BM as the main POI, I am having an extremely difficult time coming up with a good scenario that completely ignores BM’s actions, attitude, and behavior while trying to fit another suspect into the pieces of the case that we do know. Sorry!

LOL!! Nice try though!

 

[kittythehare]

I don’t agree with that. The body begins to decompose after 4 minutes of death. Granted yes, temperature will play a factor. Imo it would have to do with the handler and not the dog’s ability to detect.

handler and dog's training.
https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i14/Scientists-search-deaths-aroma.html

Cadaver dogs: attending camp with the canines trained to smell death