Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #53

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It's not a matter of the times.
Andy did say their landline was removed. The cell service was notoriously unreliable in their area, which was reported/validated by so many who participated in the search. Reported more than once the neighbor called in on her landline to the police....(could be why she was chosen)

If the cell service was sketchy at all... AT ALL, why would you not pay 10-20 bucks for the insurance of having emergency access help available, especially with Suzanne home most the day alone? (or just your wife and daughters)
Because he wanted to isolate her .
Moo
 
  • #662
Much of what AM has reported is not validated and grossly exaggerated.
RSBBM
Not much has been validated in this case, but logical inferences can be drawn based on LE’s stance/how they’ve handled this case since day one, said/not said, and the sketchy behaviors and inconsistent, bizarre statements of Suzanne’s Spouse since she went “missing”. I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree that much of AM’s reports are “grossly exaggerated”. IMO, exaggeration implies lying and is an inaccurate description of AM/his statements.

IMO, AM is not media savvy which I don’t fault him for at all, lots of people aren’t. Regardless of how uncomfortable he may have felt doing interviews etc., he was determined to do whatever it takes to find his Sister, and I very much admire him for that.

Having said that, and keeping in mind Andy Moorman organized and facilitated a very public 3-day Army search for Suzanne, as well as 2 public vigils for her, I cannot fault him for repeating information he heard 2nd hand while being interviewed/providing updates etc., via the media.
Once AM arrived in CO and moving about the area, it’s reasonable to assume he would have been talking with many different people, and not a stretch that people shared some things with AM they either “heard”or “knew”, and upon query in his interviews, he clearly stated/clarified whether he heard the info 2nd hand. By honestly stating he’d heard something 2nd hand, the logical deduction is that he is aware the info may not be accurate nor validated. Sure, on occasion AM may have misspoken while relaying info he’d heard 2nd hand because he misremembered details or whatever. IMO, none of it was earth shattering, and understandable considering the massive feat he was taking on and the undeniable pressure he was under/feeling to find his sister and bring her home so her family could give her a proper burial. AM stated more than once that finding Suzanne was his main goal and up to LE/Detectives to figure out the rest. Sadly, despite his best efforts, he was unable to bring his little Sister home before the family Patriarch Gene Moorman (RIP) passed away, and was obviously feeling defeated and heartbroken that he was unable to find her and bring her home at that time.

Personally, I don’t care whether AM and BM get along or not, this is about finding Suzanne and it is my opinion that AM has shown more loving, care, determination, tenacity, has worked harder to find Suzanne than her Husband has.

The info AM said he heard straight from a CBI Agent when they came to IN to conduct interviews etc., (this is paraphrased but links can be found in Media Thread), when the agent interviewed AM and asked him why he thought his BIL was innocent of any wrongdoing/involvement, AM replied- because he’s cooperating, took a lie detector test and voice stress analysis etc., and the CBI agent said wait, hold up, BM is not cooperating, he did not take a LDT or Voice Stress Analysis test, that he refused both tests on day 4, and his truck EVI doesn’t match up with what he told us either. AM knew right then that his BIL had lied to him about having taken those tests, and that BM in fact hadn’t been cleared by LE, hence the subsequent family statement SM’s family put out via MSM in which they said they were worried about BM not being forthcoming. How else would SM Indiana family know BM wasn’t being forthcoming and that he refused tests and truck EVI not matching up with his timeline, other than from LE when they were out in IN conducting interviews? Who else would’ve been privy to those details other than LE?
IMO, Noone. And IMO, the Moorman family is not about to put out a statement via MSM that they learned all that info and were worried (as any loving family would be), if it wasn’t true. It’s nonsensical/defies logic to think this is some kind of Moorman family conspiracy against BM, and that they’d go as far as to make up serious stuff such as that up in a public statement.

At any rate, AM doubts became more pronounced when he went out to CO for his search which BM neither helped with nor participated in, same with Suzanne’s vigils, and had the nerve to call AM’s brave efforts/massive search for HIS wife a “publicity stunt’. AM was still saying after his visit from CBI and when he got out to CO that he didn’t want to believe his BIL would harm SM, and implored BM to step up to the plate and prove his innocence. BM didn’t oblige. BM only came out publicly to defend himself and discredit his employees after his employees spoke out and blew his narrative out of the water.

I believe AM. He has no reason to lie about what he heard from the CBI agent, and is the closest family member to SM that showed urgency in finding her and has no motive whatsoever to lie/distort truths.
Speaking of distorting truths, BM told AM he took tests he never took, and then is on record in an interview shouting “I was never asked to take a polygraph”. Again, it’s not the fact he refused to take the tests, it’s the fact that he lied to AM about having taken them and in a next breath says he was never asked to take them. Nonsensical. He also told TD that he was cleared when in fact, LE hadn’t cleared anyone. On and on....

Moorman Family statement:

Suzanne Morphew’s family speaks out; Their thoughts three months after her disappearance | FOX21 News Colorado

All of the above IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
 
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  • #663
Waiting, along with the rest of you, for an arrest.

JMVHO.
 
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I still do not think BM is as scatter brain as some believe. In fact I tend to think quite the opposite. I just think his brain is working differently and not on all cylinders when he thinks about, is asked or has to recall things that he knows was wrong and is trying to avoid admitting the truth. I somewhat feel like he is a trustworthy person and that is why so many things seem jumbled as his brain is forcing him to distance and not think straight. Just a crazy IMO thought.

I sometimes wonder if he waited till Mothers Day. There are some perfect scenarios that happened that weekend to leave him alone without too many questions with SM. There are also a couple wrenches that he has stumbled on in those scenarios.

I sometimes wonder what training or knowledge BM had with the volunteer fire department of what forensics, things, evidence is looked at. I have read some of the most gruesome stories researching this. Seems like Firefighters are often times the first at a crime scene even if it is not a fire.

Hopefully once the snow has gone which should be fairly soon they will get another opportunity to search. OldCop had a post a while back that had some interesting spots to look at, his diagram made a lot of sense. The attached is a USA topo map that helps makes sense of it as well and might not be a bad spot to look at. I do believe that SM was moved if something happened, but still not to far from home. On the attached map BM stands for benchmark, even tho it is pretty close to the Puma Path house.

Just some thoughts and personal opinions. It may be a lull in rehashing things but have to keep trying, have to sometimes think out of the box.
 

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It's not a matter of the times.
Andy did say their landline was removed. The cell service was notoriously unreliable in their area, which was reported/validated by so many who participated in the search. Reported more than once the neighbor called in on her landline to the police....(could be why she was chosen)

If the cell service was sketchy at all... AT ALL, why would you not pay 10-20 bucks for the insurance of having emergency access help available, especially with Suzanne home most the day alone? (or just your wife and daughters)
This is so true. Furthermore, the 911 emergency line caller ID/location ID in many areas only works on landlines. This is the service that allows LE and EMS to immediately identify the address if a call comes in on the emergency line and then drops. Think of the situation when someone calls for help and the phone is yanked out of their hands. LE can respond to that location immediately without waiting for a cell provider to give them a png location.
Also, believe it or not, there are still folks that live in rural areas that use internet dial up. Remember those days?
 
  • #668
This is so true. Furthermore, the 911 emergency line caller ID/location ID in many areas only works on landlines. This is the service that allows LE and EMS to immediately identify the address if a call comes in on the emergency line and then drops. Think of the situation when someone calls for help and the phone is yanked out of their hands. LE can respond to that location immediately without waiting for a cell provider to give them a png location.
Also, believe it or not, there are still folks that live in rural areas that use internet dial up. Remember those days?
OldCop, if you don't mind, I want to add something to what you've said here so others are aware.

IF you find yourself staying somewhere that does not have a landline and the cellphone signals are spotty, but that location has WiFi, you can use WiFi to boost the signal for your cellphone (at least with iPhones, I'm not sure about others). I do this when I am at our vacation home which does not have a landline because the cellular signal is so poor that without Wi-Fi assist, I'd have to go and stand out on the road to get a reliable signal.

In Settings, go to "Wi-Fi" and turn it on (giving password for the network at that location). Then go to "Cellular" and choose "Wi-Fi Calling" and turn it on. You will be asked to provide the address of your location so if the cellular phone is used to call 911 they will have the ability to respond to your current address.

Be sure if you do use this feature to go back in and change the address if you move from one location to another.

Of course, if the power is out (so internet is also out), Wi-Fi assist won't be any help.

ETA: I'm disinclined to think the Morphews were aware of this feature since AM said he had trouble reaching SM because the cellphone signals at the Puma Path home were so weak. But if they were aware and they commonly used it, I wonder if there is any kind of data record that would show that when SM typically left the phone for a bike ride, the phone would leave the home Wi-Fi network within "so many" minutes of her departure (when she reached a distance that was outside the network signal), but that on Mother's Day 2020 no such thing happened. Instead, her phone was likely never powered up that day or it was turned off when BM departed.
 
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OldCop, if you don't mind, I want to add something to what you've said here so others are aware.

IF you find yourself staying somewhere that does not have a landline and the cellphone signals are spotty, but that location has WiFi, you can use WiFi to boost the signal for your cellphone (at least with iPhones, I'm not sure about others). I do this when I am at our vacation home which does not have a landline because the cellular signal is so poor that without Wi-Fi assist, I'd have to go and stand out on the road to get a reliable signal.

In Settings, go to "Wi-Fi" and turn it on (giving password for the network at that location). Then go to "Cellular" and choose "Wi-Fi Calling" and turn it on. You will be asked to provide the address of your location so if the cellular phone is used to call 911 they will have the ability to respond to your current address.

Be sure if you do use this feature to go back in and change the address if you move from one location to another.

Of course, if the power is out (so internet is also out), Wi-Fi assist won't be any help.

ETA: I'm disinclined to think the Morphews were aware of this feature since AM said he had trouble reaching SM because the cellphone signals at the Puma Path home were so weak. But if they were aware and they commonly used it, I wonder if there is any kind of data record that would show that when SM typically left the phone for a bike ride, the phone would leave the home Wi-Fi network within "so many" minutes of her departure (when she reached a distance that was outside the network signal), but that on Mother's Day 2020 no such thing happened. Instead, her phone was likely never powered up that day or it was turned off when BM departed.
Thanks, @Diddian. That is great information to have. I, for one, didn’t know about that feature. We used to have to go out on our back deck to get cell service. They’ve since put in some new towers in the area so it’s no longer a problem, but we have kept our landline for backup.
Also, good points about the Morphews. I’m not inclined to think they knew about this feature either. I wish we knew what cell data LE has collected. It must be a treasure trove of information.
 
  • #670
I still do not think BM is as scatter brain as some believe. In fact I tend to think quite the opposite. I just think his brain is working differently and not on all cylinders when he thinks about, is asked or has to recall things that he knows was wrong and is trying to avoid admitting the truth. I somewhat feel like he is a trustworthy person and that is why so many things seem jumbled as his brain is forcing him to distance and not think straight. Just a crazy IMO thought.

I sometimes wonder if he waited till Mothers Day. There are some perfect scenarios that happened that weekend to leave him alone without too many questions with SM. There are also a couple wrenches that he has stumbled on in those scenarios.

I sometimes wonder what training or knowledge BM had with the volunteer fire department of what forensics, things, evidence is looked at. I have read some of the most gruesome stories researching this. Seems like Firefighters are often times the first at a crime scene even if it is not a fire.

Hopefully once the snow has gone which should be fairly soon they will get another opportunity to search. OldCop had a post a while back that had some interesting spots to look at, his diagram made a lot of sense. The attached is a USA topo map that helps makes sense of it as well and might not be a bad spot to look at. I do believe that SM was moved if something happened, but still not to far from home. On the attached map BM stands for benchmark, even tho it is pretty close to the Puma Path house.

Just some thoughts and personal opinions. It may be a lull in rehashing things but have to keep trying, have to sometimes think out of the box.
RBBM. This page, dated 2018, outlines the requirements and training for the Chaffee County Fire District volunteer program. I see one of the skills taught is “River Rescue” which is taught on the Arkansas River. I’m sure BM learned quite a bit about what happens to bodies in a river and how to find them...
https://www.chaffeecountyfire.org/s..._volunteer_information_packet_winter_2018.pdf
 
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RBBM. This page, dated 2018, outlines the requirements and training for the Chaffee County Fire District volunteer program. I see one of the skills taught is “River Rescue” which is taught on the Arkansas River. I’m sure BM learned quite a bit about what happens to bodies in a river and how to find them...
https://www.chaffeecountyfire.org/s..._volunteer_information_packet_winter_2018.pdf

I have never read or heard anything about whether BM also served as a volunteer firefighter and/or search and rescue volunteer when they lived in Indiana. Does anyone know?

I assume those volunteers probably have a radio or scanner or something that permits them to follow emergency police or fire calls; is that correct?
 
  • #672
RSBBM
Not much has been validated in this case, but logical inferences can be drawn based on LE’s stance/how they’ve handled this case since day one, said/not said, and the sketchy behaviors and inconsistent, bizarre statements of Suzanne’s Spouse since she went “missing”. I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree that much of AM’s reports are “grossly exaggerated”. IMO, exaggeration implies lying and is an inaccurate description of AM/his statements.

IMO, AM is not media savvy which I don’t fault him for at all, lots of people aren’t. Regardless of how uncomfortable he may have felt doing interviews etc., he was determined to do whatever it takes to find his Sister, and I very much admire him for that.

Having said that, and keeping in mind Andy Moorman organized and facilitated a very public 3-day Army search for Suzanne, as well as 2 public vigils for her, I cannot fault him for repeating information he heard 2nd hand while being interviewed/providing updates etc., via the media.
Once AM arrived in CO and moving about the area, it’s reasonable to assume he would have been talking with many different people, and not a stretch that people shared some things with AM they either “heard”or “knew”, and upon query in his interviews, he clearly stated/clarified whether he heard the info 2nd hand. By honestly stating he’d heard something 2nd hand, the logical deduction is that he is aware the info may not be accurate nor validated. Sure, on occasion AM may have misspoken while relaying info he’d heard 2nd hand because he misremembered details or whatever. IMO, none of it was earth shattering, and understandable considering the massive feat he was taking on and the undeniable pressure he was under/feeling to find his sister and bring her home so her family could give her a proper burial. AM stated more than once that finding Suzanne was his main goal and up to LE/Detectives to figure out the rest. Sadly, despite his best efforts, he was unable to bring his little Sister home before the family Patriarch Gene Moorman (RIP) passed away, and was obviously feeling defeated and heartbroken that he was unable to find her and bring her home at that time.

Personally, I don’t care whether AM and BM get along or not, this is about finding Suzanne and it is my opinion that AM has shown more loving, care, determination, tenacity, has worked harder to find Suzanne than her Husband has.

The info AM said he heard straight from a CBI Agent when they came to IN to conduct interviews etc., (this is paraphrased but links can be found in Media Thread), when the agent interviewed AM and asked him why he thought his BIL was innocent of any wrongdoing/involvement, AM replied- because he’s cooperating, took a lie detector test and voice stress analysis etc., and the CBI agent said wait, hold up, BM is not cooperating, he did not take a LDT or Voice Stress Analysis test, that he refused both tests on day 4, and his truck EVI doesn’t match up with what he told us either. AM knew right then that his BIL had lied to him about having taken those tests, and that BM in fact hadn’t been cleared by LE, hence the subsequent family statement SM’s family put out via MSM in which they said they were worried about BM not being forthcoming. How else would SM Indiana family know BM wasn’t being forthcoming and that he refused tests and truck EVI not matching up with his timeline, other than from LE when they were out in IN conducting interviews? Who else would’ve been privy to those details other than LE?
IMO, Noone. And IMO, the Moorman family is not about to put out a statement via MSM that they learned all that info and were worried (as any loving family would be), if it wasn’t true. It’s nonsensical/defies logic to think this is some kind of Moorman family conspiracy against BM, and that they’d go as far as to make up serious stuff such as that up in a public statement.

At any rate, AM doubts became more pronounced when he went out to CO for his search which BM neither helped with nor participated in, same with Suzanne’s vigils, and had the nerve to call AM’s brave efforts/massive search for HIS wife a “publicity stunt’. AM was still saying after his visit from CBI and when he got out to CO that he didn’t want to believe his BIL would harm SM, and implored BM to step up to the plate and prove his innocence. BM didn’t oblige. BM only came out publicly to defend himself and discredit his employees after his employees spoke out and blew his narrative out of the water.

I believe AM. He has no reason to lie about what he heard from the CBI agent, and is the closest family member to SM that showed urgency in finding her and has no motive whatsoever to lie/distort truths.
Speaking of distorting truths, BM told AM he took tests he never took, and then is on record in an interview shouting “I was never asked to take a polygraph”. Again, it’s not the fact he refused to take the tests, it’s the fact that he lied to AM about having taken them and in a next breath says he was never asked to take them. Nonsensical. He also told TD that he was cleared when in fact, LE hadn’t cleared anyone. On and on....

Moorman Family statement:

Suzanne Morphew’s family speaks out; Their thoughts three months after her disappearance | FOX21 News Colorado

All of the above IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
I think AM was very emotionally fragile in those early days of SM’s disappearance. I think it is understandable that he sometimes mixed up the statements or places mentioned by people.
To put yourself in AM’s position: you are told your sister is missing. You immediately get on a plane and fly to a state that you are not familiar with and you meet a bunch of people for the first time. You are zeroed in on your missing sister. Where is she? You get put on a search team by your brother in law. By Tuesday morning you are out searching. You are focused on the search and I do not think you would necessarily ingest all the, (what seemed to be), superfluous information floating around.
Later, bits of conversations come back, but not all may be accurate.
As far as LE giving AM some information when they were in IN, that doesn’t surprise me. I do think, if it was given, that LE did not intend for AM to repeat any of it, especially publicly. AM may have been chastised for that and since then has been given no more information. It may be one of the reasons AM has gone relatively silent for the most part. (Of course, he was also dealing with his father’s illness and death.)
 
  • #673
I have never read or heard anything about whether BM also served as a volunteer firefighter and/or search and rescue volunteer when they lived in Indiana. Does anyone know?

I assume those volunteers probably have a radio or scanner or something that permits them to follow emergency police or fire calls; is that correct?
I have not heard of his participation in one of these services in IN either. Maybe someone else can chime in.
The scanner bit is interesting. He may very well have had a scanner. If so was he following the progress of the LE and SARS searchers in those early days? Did he bring it to Broomfield? Was it taken away from him? As an official member of the volunteer firefighters, he may also have had access to the secure channels, those which are not accessible to the public. Those channels hold unfiltered conversations. Such a good way to keep a step ahead of the investigation.
 
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I am so thankful that Chris keeps Suzanne's case alive! Thank you Chris!!!!!!!

This pic... Does anyone know if this is next to Highway 50 ? The mountains look similar to that area. I thought it maybe is but not sure.
I think it was the area in their subdivision where BM planted a few little pines, he likes rocks!
 
  • #676
I think it was the area in their subdivision where BM planted a few little pines, he likes rocks!

And heart-shaped rocks at that.

Just my geological opinion
 
  • #677
I have not heard of his participation in one of these services in IN either. Maybe someone else can chime in.
The scanner bit is interesting. He may very well have had a scanner. If so was he following the progress of the LE and SARS searchers in those early days? Did he bring it to Broomfield? Was it taken away from him? As an official member of the volunteer firefighters, he may also have had access to the secure channels, those which are not accessible to the public. Those channels hold unfiltered conversations. Such a good way to keep a step ahead of the investigation.
The paid fire chief actively recruited BM and a good way to get to join a new community.
 
  • #678
I am in the 90% BM did it, but the other 10% nags me. BM gets in debt to, gets illegal substances from or does work on a project that is considered "theirs" by a labor organization, all the aforementioned various scenarios of "organized crime". He, for what ever reason does not pay up and poor SM is taken out and all or part of her is left in the house for BM to find (like the horse head in the Godfather) with the clear understanding the kids may be next and he better not tell LE. BM is in a panic. He has to dispose of the remains or body part lest he be fingered as the perp, has to clean up the house and has to plant "evidence" and be vocal in a poor attempt to throw off LE. He has to keep the kids as far away as possible. He sells the house and exits stage right. This all goes to my question upthread. Did BM take any large sums of cash out of his bank account and not have anything to show for it (truck, equipment, etc.)? Only other scenario I can think of, but as I said, 90% SM (or at least most of her) is in the back 400 acres behind PP with other evidence scattered about. I like to pull on strings so I don't get tunnel vision and keep myself open to other theories.
 
  • #679
I am in the 90% BM did it, but the other 10% nags me. BM gets in debt to, gets illegal substances from or does work on a project that is considered "theirs" by a labor organization, all the aforementioned various scenarios of "organized crime". He, for what ever reason does not pay up and poor SM is taken out and all or part of her is left in the house for BM to find (like the horse head in the Godfather) with the clear understanding the kids may be next and he better not tell LE. BM is in a panic. He has to dispose of the remains or body part lest he be fingered as the perp, has to clean up the house and has to plant "evidence" and be vocal in a poor attempt to throw off LE. He has to keep the kids as far away as possible. He sells the house and exits stage right. This all goes to my question upthread. Did BM take any large sums of cash out of his bank account and not have anything to show for it (truck, equipment, etc.)? Only other scenario I can think of, but as I said, 90% SM (or at least most of her) is in the back 400 acres behind PP with other evidence scattered about. I like to pull on strings so I don't get tunnel vision and keep myself open to other theories.
Good post @Trackergd.
I have thought about other theories such as you posited above as well. I have said before that IMO, the only other scenario that makes sense to me if BM didn’t fatally harm SM, is he’s covering for someone else because to me, no other scenario explains BM’s actions, non-actions, and besides the few bizarre public statements he’s made, his overall silence since SM vanished. I’ve thought of possibilities such as business deal gone wrong/BM didn’t pay up etc., and “organization” person(s) threatened BM into silence or else daughters would be next; fatal attraction type scenario and BM didn’t want anyone to find out he had been cheating on SM; and/or someone else close to BM (inner circle/network), and he covered up for them for reason(s) known only to him.

The other thing to consider is if the Saturday 4pm sandwich sighting of BM & SM is indeed fact, then any of the scenarios above are even less probable IMO, because the assumption is BM & SM would’ve been home together all evening making it harder to believe someone else tried to harm SM without BM intervening.

At any rate, I consider any of the above scenarios to be somewhat far-fetched, albeit not completely out of the question. To put into clearer terms, as of now, I’m 95% BM, 4% BM covering for someone else, 1% BM innocent of any wrongdoing/involvement, subject to change as/if more info gets revealed.

Hoping and praying Suzanne is found soon, someone held accountable, and justice served.

IMHOO.

#FindSuzanne
#BringSuzanneHome
#JusticeForSuzanne
 
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Did BM Encroach on Mob/Gang/Union Territory/Business?
I am in the 90% BM did it, but the other 10% nags me. BM gets in debt to, gets illegal substances from or does work on a project that is considered "theirs" by a labor organization, all the aforementioned various scenarios of "organized crime". He, for what ever reason does not pay up and poor SM is taken out and all or part of her is left in the house for BM to find (like the horse head in the Godfather) with the clear understanding the kids may be next and he better not tell LE...
@Trackergd bbm sbm I've forgotten players & circumstances re horse head in the bed, so not dismissing your idea. A possibility, but ---

Speaking gen'ly here and not to specifics of the case. Let's say, a new-to-the-area, small business challenges a well estab'ed entity w $$$, power, & no hesitation in using violence to destroy a newbie & maintain its business/territory.
Why bother injuring or killing newbie's wife or family? If newbie's outfit is essentially a one-man band, then why not injure or kill him? Competition is eliminated.
If newbie is killed, would newbie's wife or family try to operate the business? Would newbie's ragtag "independent contractors" organization regroup as formidable competition?
Not concluding anything, just viewing from a different angle. my2ct.
 
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