CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[concernedmother]

This whole thing could probably be cleared up with another autopsy but it may forever remain a mystery.

 

[JBean]

OK here is my troublesome issue of the evening.
Here we have an incredibly stealth individual that continually eludes capture and seemingly can make himself invisible.
Yet, on the picture he is in the open area, in a light colored shirt of all things and makes himself visible mere seconds or fractions of seconds behind LE.

This is among the strongest evidence in support of the stalker and his bold behavior, yet it is counter to everything we know about his MO.

 

[twinkiesmom]

] Yes. But he was not a stalker. He was a nut who fought with his next-door neighbors and tried to kill all of them so he wouldn't have to be bothered with them anymore.

This is far different from the pattern of a person who stalks and kills a specific victim. None of the types of stalkers that exist who kill their victims do so with non-violent means and none of them do so because they won't have to be "bothered" by the victim.

Sorry, I consider a threatening anonymous note and two dead dogs followed by lacing of the coke bottles with thallium to be evidence of stalking behavior.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20114650,00.html

 

[Lera213]

M was taking Dance Classes...what if she went to the clinic on campus and was given a prescription for the Flexeril. She did state on her blog her feet hurt but it was a good hurt.

 

[MayraMM]

M was taking Dance Classes...what if she went to the clinic on campus and was given a prescription for the Flexeril. She did state on her blog her feet hurt but it was a good hurt.

I checked with the university, and they do not have on-campus medical/clinic facilities, but they do refer students to community health care. It's in the student handout.

 

[concernedmother]

OK here is my troublesome issue of the evening.
Here we have an incredibly stealth individual that continually eludes capture and seemingly can make himself invisible.
Yet, on the picture he is in the open area, in a light colored shirt of all things and makes himself visible mere seconds or fractions of seconds behind LE.

This is among the strongest evidence in support of the stalker and his bold behavior, yet it is counter to everything we know about his MO.

And we dont even know this was a stalker.This could have just been a nosy neighbor wondering what the cops were doing there all the time.Id be more convinced if TI ends up posting more pics of the stalker.

 

[gitana1]

OK here is my troublesome issue of the evening.
Here we have an incredibly stealth individual that continually eludes capture and seemingly can make himself invisible.
Yet, on the picture he is in the open area, in a light colored shirt of all things and makes himself visible mere seconds or fractions of seconds behind LE.

This is among the strongest evidence in support of the stalker and his bold behavior, yet it is counter to everything we know about his MO.

If not the stalker, I think the person could be the neighbor who was there speaking with the police that night, or another neighbor who went by to see what was going on.

I do not believe this person was arrogantly leaning on their car as Morgan's mom states. I think the person was in motion and walking in a similar direction as the police.

Sorry, I consider a threatening anonymous note and two dead dogs followed by lacing of the coke bottles with thallium to be evidence of stalking behavior.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20114650,00.html

http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm

http://sapac.umich.edu/article/320

 

[mnmomma]

I know this issue has been moved on from for the most part, but a lot has been made of shadows cast in the wildlife cameras. When we see the potential fourth figure, people have pointed out that there isn't a forward shadow cast as it is with the officers. Also that LEO didn't notice the camera photographing them. My thoughts are perhaps too simple - I'm thinking the family had a front porch light on for when LE exited their home and as soon as LE entered their vehicles they turned it off. Given the time between shots, the fourth figure (presumably the stalker) wouldn't cast a shadow the same as the LE officers.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

And we dont even know this was a stalker.This could have just been a nosy neighbor wondering what the cops were doing there all the time.Id be more convinced if TI ends up posting more pics of the stalker.

Agreed.

Something I noticed- the images of the deputies is further away from the camera but is more defined than the unknown figure that is closer to the camera.

Has anyone else noticed this and what are your thoughts on this?

 

[bearx]

I know this issue has been moved on from for the most part, but a lot has been made of shadows cast in the wildlife cameras. When we see the potential fourth figure, people have pointed out that there isn't a forward shadow cast as it is with the officers. Also that LEO didn't notice the camera photographing them. My thoughts are perhaps too simple - I'm thinking the family had a front porch light on for when LE exited their home and as soon as LE entered their vehicles they turned it off. Given the time between shots, the fourth figure (presumably the stalker) wouldn't cast a shadow the same as the LE officers.

I can think of a few reasons why LE wouldn't react to the camera. Maybe they saw the glow when they drove up but knew what it was (hunting community it appears) and saw no need to stare at it?

Speaking of that, we don't know how LE looked when they walked to the house. We've only see photos of them walking away. Maybe when they were facing the house they glanced at it.

Porch light could also be it- or they just didn't look- saw the red glow from a distance and didn't think to stare at it up close after that- were more focused on looking in the bushes- who knows, really?

 

[MayraMM]

Agreed.

Something I noticed- the images of the deputies is further away from the camera but is more defined than the unknown figure that is closer to the camera.

Has anyone else noticed this and what are your thoughts on this?

I think this is one of those things we're not allowed to talk about. It was mentioned several times before, tho, with various theories.

 

[twinkiesmom]

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http://www.stalkingbehavior.com/definiti.htm

http://sapac.umich.edu/article/320

And by your first link I would consider George Trepal (the thallium poisoner) a simple obsessional stalker.

Simple Obsessional:
A prior relationship exists between the victim and the stalker which includes the following:
Acquaintance, neighbor, customer, professional relationship, dating, and lover
The stalking behavior begins after either:
The relationship has gone “sour”, or
The offending individual perceives some mistreatment
The stalker begins a campaign either to rectify the schism, or to seek some type of retribution

George believed they had disrespected him by playing loud music and riding all terrain vehicles on his property...That's all the mistreatment it took to start his campaign of terror.

I also think this definition could fit Morgan's stalking (assuming that the blog is true).

 

[Cazzie]

New blog entry (about the cameras)...off to read it...

http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1220

 

[alwaysonmymind]

My thoughts on equine pharmaceuticals at the equestrian center~

This looks to be a well maintained facility that also has a therapeutic program for disabled children and adults. I believe they would be extremely cautious in storing meds and require the same caution from the boarders. As in, lock it up. The equestrian center would be liable if anyone got into the meds. Also, that stuff can be very expensive and the owners would want to make sure it didn't grow legs and walk off.

moo

As I searched for data on horses and drugs I came across this book. A different kind of anti-drug message.

http://www.amazon.com/Latawnya-Naug...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I think this is one of those things we're not allowed to talk about. It was mentioned several times before, tho, with various theories.

Oh, I must have missed that. Thanks!

 

[gitana1]

And by your first link I would consider George Trepal (the thallium poisoner) a simple obsessional stalker.

Simple Obsessional:
A prior relationship exists between the victim and the stalker which includes the following:
Acquaintance, neighbor, customer, professional relationship, dating, and lover
The stalking behavior begins after either:
The relationship has gone “sour”, or
The offending individual perceives some mistreatment
The stalker begins a campaign either to rectify the schism, or to seek some type of retribution

George believed they had disrespected him by playing loud music and riding all terrain vehicles on his property...That's all the mistreatment it took to start his campaign of terror.

I also think this definition could fit Morgan's stalking (assuming that the blog is true).

From the second link:

Resentful Stalker
Motivation: This stalker wants to frighten or distress their survivor and often stalks their survivor to get revenge against someone who has upset them. This type of stalker views their survivor as being similar to those who have oppressed or humiliated them in the past and may view themselves as a survivor striking back against an oppressor.
Personality: This type of stalker is often irrationally paranoid.
Survivor Characteristics: This type of stalker often stalks survivors that may have upset them directly or are representative of a group at which they are upset. The survivor may be someone that the stalker knows or a complete stranger.
Stalking Behavior: This type of stalker can be the most obsessive and enduring type of stalker. This type of stalker is most likely to verbally threaten their survivor and is one of the least likely to physically assault their survivor.
Duration and Criminality: This type of stalker is likely to stop stalking if confronted with legal sanctions early on. The longer the stalking continues, the less effective legal sanctions are likely to be.

Bolded and underlined by me.

Morgan was not verbally threatened. In fact, she was never approached by her stalker at all verbally and no thrats were ever issues to her at all as far as we can tell.

But, she was (supposedly) assaulted with drugs. In her home. In her bed. While everyone slept around her. With a drug she coincidentally was prescribed at one time. Not rat poison, just a drug.

It just doesn't fit the M.O..

 

[Cazzie]

So they did install a 6-camera video system (on Sep 18, day 48). (link in my previous post)

 

[bearx]

So they did install a 6-camera video system (on Sep 18, day 48). (link in my previous post)

Yep, curious to see where this leads. She said the entire perimeter is on camera now.

 

[Cazzie]

Yep, curious to see where this leads. She said the entire perimeter is on camera now.

Yet she and Steve didn't completely agree on where to place them, and even that day she wished they had acquired a dozen. I'm wishing they had put an additional dozen INSIDE the home. Certainly not blaming them nor finding fault.

 

[MayraMM]

Yet she and Steve didn't completely agree on where to place them, and even that day she wished they had acquired a dozen. I'm wishing they had put an additional dozen INSIDE the home. Certainly not blaming them nor finding fault.

To get inside, they'd have to come from outside, so I would assume they will now capture somebody, if there is in fact a stalker. Like I said, they captured the deer the night she died, so they should have caught the killer, too.

Also, dad spent hours in the attic. If someone was staked out up there, he probably would have seen evidence of that, so we can probably rule that out.

BTW, I'm wondering if the date is a typo, as today is the 15th.