CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[concernedmother]

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/search/amitriptyl.html

You can get this in several forms for horses
Amitriptyline Capsule

Amitriptyline Gourmeds Chewable Tablets

Amitriptyline Oral Solution

Amitriptyline Tiny Tabs

Amitriptyline Twist-a-Dose Transdermal Gel

Amitriptyline Chew Treat

Amitriptyline Injection Solution

Amitriptyline Oral Paste

Amitriptyline Oral Suspension

Amitriptyline Transdermal Gel

 

[LadyL]

Morgan's Father: can you confirm whether Morgan was carded at the grocery store or not? Did Morgan say she was asked for i.d. when buying nail stuff?

 

[alwaysonmymind]

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/search/amitriptyl.html

You can get this in several forms for horses
Amitriptyline Capsule

Amitriptyline Gourmeds Chewable Tablets

Amitriptyline Oral Solution

Amitriptyline Tiny Tabs

Amitriptyline Twist-a-Dose Transdermal Gel

Amitriptyline Chew Treat

Amitriptyline Injection Solution

Amitriptyline Oral Paste

Amitriptyline Oral Suspension

Amitriptyline Transdermal Gel

These say for dogs and cats.

 

[MayraMM]

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/search/amitriptyl.html

You can get this in several forms for horses
Amitriptyline Capsule

Amitriptyline Gourmeds Chewable Tablets

Amitriptyline Oral Solution

Amitriptyline Tiny Tabs

Amitriptyline Twist-a-Dose Transdermal Gel

Amitriptyline Chew Treat

Amitriptyline Injection Solution

Amitriptyline Oral Paste

Amitriptyline Oral Suspension

Amitriptyline Transdermal Gel

Yeah, I remember this page. The "flavors" were quite odd (seriously, double marshmallow?!). But, if you look at the dosage, I believe these were intended for cats and dogs, not horses.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/search/amitriptyl.html

You can get this in several forms for horses
Amitriptyline Capsule

Amitriptyline Gourmeds Chewable Tablets

Amitriptyline Oral Solution

Amitriptyline Tiny Tabs

Amitriptyline Twist-a-Dose Transdermal Gel

Amitriptyline Chew Treat

Amitriptyline Injection Solution

Amitriptyline Oral Paste

Amitriptyline Oral Suspension

Amitriptyline Transdermal Gel

Click on the link on the left on that site...where it says "horses"

 

[JBean]

http://keswickequineclinic.vetsourceweb.com/itemView/view/62315_HomeDelivery.pml?productId=97971
http://equinesportsmedicineandsurge...w/view/53971_HomeDelivery.pml?productId=97975

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I've had horses my whole life and been around other horse people.

No one has ever used this or anything like this. I'm working with a filly right now that is a firecracker and wouldn't dream of drugging her to calm her down.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

http://keswickequineclinic.vetsourceweb.com/itemView/view/62315_HomeDelivery.pml?productId=97971
http://equinesportsmedicineandsurge...w/view/53971_HomeDelivery.pml?productId=97975

Sorry JBean....when you click on Equine (horses) in both of those links above, you will not find Ami (Elavil). Both of the above links are for companion animals under "anxiety". Click "anxiety" link for Equine and there will be no Ami.

 

[JBean]

Treatment?

Once a definitive diagnosis is made, several treatment options are available. Although imipramine--a tricyclic antidepressant widely used in human medicine--is the standard treatment for narcolepsy in horses, another tricyclic antidepressant that can be used is amitriptyline. Tricyclic antidepressants work to block the re-uptake of serotonin and norephinephrine. Nick Dodman, BVMS, Dipl. ACVA, ACVB, a professor, section head, and program director in the Animal Behavior Department of Clinical Sciences at Tufts Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine in North Grafton, Mass., believes "it is this catecholamine surge (the block of serotonin and norephinephrine) that buoys the level of consciousness/awareness and prevents the horse literally from falling asleep on his feet." According to Dodman, amitriptyline is slightly more potent than imipramine, so when horses are first introduced to the drug, they should be on colic watch to see how they react to it. Dodman says that he has used amitriptyline 100% successfully on one narcoleptic horse at 300 mg once daily given in a mixture of sweet feed and molasses. "The horse ate it as willing as an aperitif (appetizer)," says
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=6749

 

[Sailorsgirl]

personal story:

I was stalked in college. The guy sent me creepy cards in arabic to my dorm mailbox... To this day I do not know how he got my box number in order to send them... He did see my name because he worked in the dining hall (cashier) I ate in (our ID/food card had our name on it).

Nurse, when I was in college, we had a student directory ... name; dorm or house address and phone number; birthday; and home address and home number!!!

 

[MayraMM]

http://keswickequineclinic.vetsourceweb.com/itemView/view/62315_HomeDelivery.pml?productId=97971
http://equinesportsmedicineandsurge...w/view/53971_HomeDelivery.pml?productId=97975

On both those sites, if you click on Equine, then Anxiety, you won't find amitriptyline listed. The dose that does come up is 10 mg. If the usual dose for a human is 75, I would imagine it would take a lot of pills to dose a horse with 10-mg tablets.

 

[JBean]

On both those sites, if you click on Equine, then Anxiety, you won't find amitriptyline listed. The dose that does come up is 10 mg. If the usual dose for a human is 75, I would imagine it would take a lot of pills to dose a horse with 10-mg tablets.

Got it. But I see a 50 mg pill. Anyway,it looks like it has other uses.

 

[MayraMM]

Treatment?

Once a definitive diagnosis is made, several treatment options are available. Although imipramine--a tricyclic antidepressant widely used in human medicine--is the standard treatment for narcolepsy in horses, another tricyclic antidepressant that can be used is amitriptyline. Tricyclic antidepressants work to block the re-uptake of serotonin and norephinephrine. Nick Dodman, BVMS, Dipl. ACVA, ACVB, a professor, section head, and program director in the Animal Behavior Department of Clinical Sciences at Tufts Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine in North Grafton, Mass., believes "it is this catecholamine surge (the block of serotonin and norephinephrine) that buoys the level of consciousness/awareness and prevents the horse literally from falling asleep on his feet." According to Dodman, amitriptyline is slightly more potent than imipramine, so when horses are first introduced to the drug, they should be on colic watch to see how they react to it. Dodman says that he has used amitriptyline 100% successfully on one narcoleptic horse at 300 mg once daily given in a mixture of sweet feed and molasses. "The horse ate it as willing as an aperitif (appetizer)," says
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=6749

I found this article a few days ago, but ami has not been approved by the FDA for horses, so to give a horse 300 mg they'd have to crush up a lot of pills and feed it to the horse. I guess what I'm getting at is while it has been used on occasion, it's not approved and so therefore the larger doses aren't available. So the theory of coming across liquid ami at the stables is probably unlikely.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Treatment?

Once a definitive diagnosis is made, several treatment options are available. Although imipramine--a tricyclic antidepressant widely used in human medicine--is the standard treatment for narcolepsy in horses, another tricyclic antidepressant that can be used is amitriptyline. Tricyclic antidepressants work to block the re-uptake of serotonin and norephinephrine. Nick Dodman, BVMS, Dipl. ACVA, ACVB, a professor, section head, and program director in the Animal Behavior Department of Clinical Sciences at Tufts Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine in North Grafton, Mass., believes "it is this catecholamine surge (the block of serotonin and norephinephrine) that buoys the level of consciousness/awareness and prevents the horse literally from falling asleep on his feet." According to Dodman, amitriptyline is slightly more potent than imipramine, so when horses are first introduced to the drug, they should be on colic watch to see how they react to it. Dodman says that he has used amitriptyline 100% successfully on one narcoleptic horse at 300 mg once daily given in a mixture of sweet feed and molasses. "The horse ate it as willing as an aperitif (appetizer)," says
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=6749

So Vets have it at their disposal but would Ami be found lying around a horse ranch or farm (behind M's house)? That is the question.

 

[JBean]

Didnt morgansfather already confirm that the drug was available there?

 

[JBean]

So Vets have it at their disposal but would Ami be found lying around a horse ranch or farm (behind M's house)? That is the question.

I thought the question was -is it used for horses or is there a use for horses ?Sorry.

 

[MayraMM]

Didnt morgansfather already confirm that the drug was available there?

He said a couple of vets came forward and said that they use it and have been lax with it's security, and have vowed to be more vigilant in the future. He didn't say they were horse vets or that the vets said they used it for horses, and when I asked if it was kept at the stables I didn't get an answer. So as of now, we'll have to assume no, I guess. Maybe he'll come back on and answer that.

Edit: My bad. I went back and checked and he did say "for horses", but didn't say if it was at the stables by his house.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I wonder if the stable would be willing to clear that up?

OT- I keep thinking of fainting goats after reading the article jbean posted.

 

[Confusion]

He said a couple of vets came forward and said that they use it and have been lax with it's security, and have vowed to be more vigilant in the future. He didn't say they were horse vets or that the vets said they used it for horses, and when I asked if it was kept at the stables I didn't get an answer. So as of now, we'll have to assume no, I guess. Maybe he'll come back on and answer that.

If it still hasn't been approved for horses by the FDA, it would have to be mixed up by a compounding pharmacy. If I remember correctly, that has to be done only for a specific patient and only enough for a certain amount of time. The horse ranch may use it, but they wouldn't be likely to have a lot on hand. Vets may have more on hand because they use it for other animals. It should also be available in pharmacies, including those found in grocery stores. MOO

 

[concernedmother]

Wouldnt the standard way to prescribe ami be in a pill form? Under what circumstance would it be prescribed in a liquid? And why such a high amount prescribed at one time?