CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[alwaysonmymind]

no no video of any climbing Just a short video showing the road

Hmmm, that is intriguing.

 

[MayraMM]

It shows the road leading into the cul-de-sac, then turns and shows a couple of houses. Very short. It was taken 2 years ago.

Found his FB page. So far, not one person associated with this case, who has a FB page, posted anything about it at the time. The only person who acknowledges anything is CA, whose profile pic is of M doing his hair.

Maybe FB is doing it's infamous thing of picking and choosing what pops up on a person's page.

 

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[aussie_girl88]

She was 12 and the pathologist described it as chronic exposure. She did receive hyperbaric treatment, which means it was severe. He also said she suffered headaches and cognitive impairment and the treatment helped alleviate some of the symptoms (which means not all of them).

I have yet to find out if anyone else was poisoned by the CO, and that really bothers me. How could she have been the only one poisoned when it was a faulty flue?

so chronic exposure would be years or months.

I onder to if she was the only one, I can only think if she was that she had a heater in her room?

Yes, Ive been reading that apparently symptoms can last for the rest of your life, very interesting.

 

[MayraMM]

frustrated. I wanted to get a street view of the neighborhood but I cant find a map to give me one.

Google Earth doesn't have a street view of the address; too obscure of a street, I guess. The whole cul-de-sac is very isolated, smack in the middle of nowhere. But, like I said, one of the backyards seems to have letters mowed into the lawn: PUTU. Never seen that before.

 

[MayraMM]

so chronic exposure would be years or months.

I onder to if she was the only one, I can only think if she was that she had a heater in her room?

Yes, Ive been reading that apparently symptoms can last for the rest of your life, very interesting.

The news report said a faulty flue, so I would imagine that was more of a central heating type thing. Maybe her room was more air tight than others in the house, less ventilation? I'd think the others would have at least had minor exposure, tho.

 

[aussie_girl88]

The news report said a faulty flue, so I would imagine that was more of a central heating type thing. Maybe her room was more air tight than others in the house, less ventilation? I'd think the others would have at least had minor exposure, tho.

Yes and at 12 she is still young so would have had more effects.

Hmm, very interesting to see if this some how had an impact on her death. I'd love to see her first autopsy results.

I suggest google 'carbon monoxide poisoning' it is very interesting. Now I have to get back to an assignment and stop distracting myself lol.

 

[gitana1]

Yes and at 12 she is still young so would have had more effects.

Hmm, very interesting to see if this some how had an impact on her death. I'd love to see her first autopsy results.

I suggest google 'carbon monoxide poisoning' it is very interesting. Now I have to get back to an assignment and stop distracting myself lol.

It is very interesting for several reasons. One is that it is widely used as a means of suicide, which most of us are aware of and the second is the prognosis or long-term effects which can include permanent brain damage (neurological damage) and long term mental problems including depression: http://www.carbon-monoxide-survivor...l-mental-behavioral-symptoms-and-effects.html

 

[MayraMM]

OK, this is REALLY odd. I was looking at the image of the neighborhood on Google Earth and 2 doors down, in the back yard, the letters PUTU are mowed into the lawn. I noticed a new feature on Google earth where you can look at a historical view of the same location, and that's when I noticed the date of the image, 09/23/2011. The same time as the reported stalking. I've been trying to figure out what the letters mean and why they were there, and most importantly, who lived in that house at the time. PUTU . . . P-U To You? Don't know if this means anything at all, but I did find it odd that the image date was 2 months into the stalking reports. Does anyone else see that image?

 

[MayraMM]

It is very interesting for several reasons. One is that it is widely used as a means of suicide, which most of us are aware of and the second is the prognosis or long-term effects which can include permanent brain damage (neurological damage) and long term mental problems including depression: http://www.carbon-monoxide-survivor...l-mental-behavioral-symptoms-and-effects.html

Another rare side effect of chronic CO poisoning is the feeling that one is being watched. I found that yesterday and posted it on the other page.

 

[lillygator]

As noted on the photos the first officer leaves at 00:43, the other two officers leave at 00:44, then the alledged stalker emerges and is captured in a photo at 00:46

http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=845#comments

In this entry, it is stated that one of the neighbors stormed up the driveway and spoke to one of the officers that night demanding to know what was going on. I was wondering when the neighbor left before the police officers and if the neighbor was captured on the camera since 12 photos were taken? I just found it interesting that a neighbor had been present.

http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=465

Sorry but LE doesn't get a pass because they didn't have experience. A crime is a crime.

Let's all keep in mind we're getting one person's view on what happened. We don't really know what LE did or didn't do. I think as more time goes on, we may learn more. So for the time being, I think we should take a wait and see approach. Public records would be nice. Call sheets, news accounts, neighbor reports. . . something, anything would be nice.

There's nothing on the call sheet available to corroborate the accounts, so there are many missing pieces. Mom did give an incident report number that was given to her initially. Maybe that will help find some of those missing pieces.

THANK YOU!!! For all of you accusing sworn law enforcement officers of negligence and corruption: PLEASE consider that these are VERY serious charges to make without knowing BOTH SIDES.

We are not allowed to trash innocent parties - and until PROVEN by independent means - I refuse to accuse the agencies that made dozen of visits to the home to investigate their claims, and - by the mother's own account' spent many, many hours in these investigations.

Please, give it a rest.

/i think it is horrible, look at the time and resources officers spent on these calls to yield nothing conclusive??????????

They came close to 50 times and couldnt see anyone. They did a stakeout down the street and never saw anything. When neighbors found out they watched and didnt see anything either. Not sure what more they could do. They just couldnt catch this guy. He outsmarted everyone.

excactly....???? proof of a stalker? one picture and some :noises:

What motive does the mom have in lying? None! She is writing her blog and going off of notes which in any court of law her notes would hold up as evidence.

I could think of some, esp considering things brought up prior.

 

[Herding Cats]

There is a curse word in spanish that's very close to PUTU...change the last U into an A or an O, and then look it up on google...not pretty. And yes, I saw it and noted the date and am interested in what happened before that (which is still to come, I'd guess), but have kept the comments to myself...I do think it's deliberate...but I am not sure at whom the writing is directed. LOL...

IIRC, that house is the house where K and B lived during the stalking...

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Herding Cats

 

[sascha]

i saw the letters , i don't believe that it is a coincidence , too many weird things going on.

 

[Herding Cats]

BBM, didn't her ferret (or another small pet) die too? I recall a post where Mr. I asked M what time she was coming home so they could bury it.

Yes, a ferret died over the prvious winter. The circumstance of the burial was that they were going to bury it, and would have at the time the ferret died, but the ground was too frozen so they couldn't. (And I think everyone forgot the ferret was there, or else why wait through to August? I'm sure the ground unfroze before that. The ferret was probably stored in a freezer in the garage [or similar storage area] and then someone found it and was going to bury it. Or something like that).

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Herding Cats

 

[Stash777]

My main issue with this case is that LE stated they had no evidence of stalking (cannot find the article ANYWHERE though it came up on multiple occasions of googling M before this thread and national attention of this case took off, which in the context of this case is now causing me more concern), yet LE had to have had enough evidence/information to classify this case as felony stalking. Mom states on more than one occasion that the case was upgraded to felony stalking, so what needs to take place for that to occur? My point with this post is that it cannot be both ways. Either their was no evidence of stalking, which means that the case would not have been classified as such (AFAIK), or LE does have evidence of stalking but not enough to name anyone as the perp (or just want the case closed). The only other explanation is that the stalking never occurred (but why would LE classify it as felony stalking if it never occurred), or mom is lying about it being upgraded to a felony stalking case. I have no reason to believe that mom would lie about this being classified as a felony stalking case, nor do I believe that LE would classify it as such without solid evidence. Is there a cover-up of some sort?? I am just so confused about this particular issue. According to the blog, the case has not yet (this time last year) been classified as felony stalking, but apparently at some point does. This says to me that there has to be solid proof of stalking taking place before it is classified as stalking....meaning that you can't just say you're being stalked and give reasons that can be easily explained.

 

[Herding Cats]

For reference, here is a link to the definition of harassment/stalking law of Colorado. It is on a defense lawyer's site, but it's accurate.

http://www.lawinfoboulder.com/colorado_statutes/harassment.html

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Herding Cats

ETA: Adding the penalties for felony class 5 stalking (first event) or a class 4 (which would be conviction of a second stalking event within 7 years of the first conviction, or after a restraining order is in place)

If this is a first offense stalking charge you will face a Class 5 felony charge that carries a potential sentence of 1 to 3 years in prison and fines from $1,000 to $100,000.

A second or subsequent stalking charge or it is committed in violation of a protection order, the charge is elevated to a Class 4 felony and carries a potential sentence of 2 to 6 years in prison and fines of $2,000 to $500,000.

 

[MayraMM]

There is a curse word in spanish that's very close to PUTU...change the last U into an A or an O, and then look it up on google...not pretty. And yes, I saw it and noted the date and am interested in what happened before that (which is still to come, I'd guess), but have kept the comments to myself...I do think it's deliberate...but I am not sure at whom the writing is directed. LOL...

IIRC, that house is the house where K and B lived during the stalking...

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Herding Cats

Notice that while on the ground, it may not be noticed so much, but from the roof of a house, it's crystal clear.

 

[MayraMM]

My main issue with this case is that LE stated they had no evidence of stalking (cannot find the article ANYWHERE though it came up on multiple occasions of googling M before this thread and national attention of this case took off, which in the context of this case is now causing me more concern), yet LE had to have had enough evidence/information to classify this case as felony stalking. Mom states on more than one occasion that the case was upgraded to felony stalking, so what needs to take place for that to occur? My point with this post is that it cannot be both ways. Either their was no evidence of stalking, which means that the case would not have been classified as such (AFAIK), or LE does have evidence of stalking but not enough to name anyone as the perp (or just want the case closed). The only other explanation is that the stalking never occurred (but why would LE classify it as felony stalking if it never occurred), or mom is lying about it being upgraded to a felony stalking case. I have no reason to believe that mom would lie about this being classified as a felony stalking case, nor do I believe that LE would classify it as such without solid evidence. Is there a cover-up of some sort?? I am just so confused about this particular issue. According to the blog, the case has not yet (this time last year) been classified as felony stalking, but apparently at some point does. This says to me that there has to be solid proof of stalking taking place before it is classified as stalking....meaning that you can't just say you're being stalked and give reasons that can be easily explained.

Yes, Mom states that, but in Colorado ALL stalking is considered a felony, so maybe she meant upgrade it from harassment to stalking. As for solid proof, that's subjective. They might have considered the family's account as proof enough. But Mom hints that there is a certain event that's the tipping point, so we have to wait and see.

 

[MayraMM]

I took a screen shot of the image from Google Earth, since you never know when it will change. Mom states several times that the police had gone over and questioned them, coming back stating they were cleared. Maybe this was put there afterwards, in anger. If that were the case, that's a pretty benign form of retaliation.

 

[Stash777]

Yes, Mom states that, but in Colorado ALL stalking is considered a felony, so maybe she meant upgrade it from harassment to stalking. As for solid proof, that's subjective. They might have considered the family's account as proof enough. But Mom hints that there is a certain event that's the tipping point, so we have to wait and see.

I was using the word upgrading (from mom's words) to mean upgrading the case to stalking (felony stalking, just to reiterate the seriousness and call it what it is classified as), but I don't believe LE would have classified it as such without further proof. We, as readers of the blog, are only a month into the account and it has yet to be considered stalking by LE. My original concern with this still remains: why would LE classify it as stalking and then come back to say that they had no evidence of the stalking taking place. They would have to have some solid proof to classify the case as stalking, which they apparently did according to mom....why would they classify it as stalking if they had no evidence, or why would they say there was no evidence if there was? I still have yet to locate the first articles I found when this thread started, even going through my entire internet history from the start date of this thread. The link to those two articles bring me to the most recent articles published, which do not include the statements regarding the lack of evidence for stalking. Instead, they include statements regarding lack of evidence to arrest suspects and keeping the case closed for now. Something is not matching up here, and I for one am just plain confused.