CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

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That is their house right? I wonder how long this has been on the market with the walk thru video? I hate that RE are doing this now. It helps the potential buyer and saves time and gas but very dangerous for someone with a criminal intent. My niece just bought a house and she has kids and hers still on the RE site. A predator can see the layout and where all entries are.

I agree and have never liked the new way of "showing" houses via the internet.

Add to this the fact that all of the homes in that area are basically the same floor plan! Here is a post from rollinginit that shows it well. Scroll down past the map to the satellite pics:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram: timeline, picture,media thread:
 
According to spokeo.com, B's house is not the one with PUTU. I think it's irrelevant. JMO
 
Also, the house that spokeo.com says is B's has a clear trail in the berm behind the left side of their neighbor on the right, so, right next to their property.
 
So the house was part of HOA. Seems like that little circle neighborhood is all HOA houses. My husband calls those houses cookie cutter houses, b/c they all look alike.

Also, it says in the ad to see documents before putting in an offer. Do attached documents mean they have to disclose that somebody died in the house???

Unless the law changed in my state since I worked RE you dont have to automatically disclose Stigmatized property but if asked you do. That was IN tho and each state may have different laws.
 
Does anyone besides myself think that the paths behind the house could very well be from the deer??
 
Yep, checked whitepages.com and, unless B and family rent their house to someone else and are living in a rental that is not theirs, then the PUTU house is not where B and K live.
 
http://www.14news.com/story/19516964/woman-discovers-intruder-living-in-her-attic
A mother of five discovers man living in her attic

This story isnt about Morgan but hows is this for a creeper?

Werent there vacant homes in Morgans neighborhood in forclosure? Maybe the stalker was living in one of them.

oh my....

that gave me chills

that is creepy and scary! Thankgod she is safe, I hope he doesn't return.

And I would be selling straight away never to return.
 
Does anyone besides myself think that the paths behind the house could very well be from the deer??

Yes. I believe deer, humans, dogs and horses could have made these trails.
A neighbor worked at the equestrian center. I could see them walking to and from work on nice days. I also see a trail leading to the wine and liquor store, around the tennis courts and to the golf course.
 
Something new up on the blog, although its not an update on the story, through skimming through it's an update on how to help stalking victims.
 
Did anyone else find it odd that the neighbor, when he finally approached the family's home when the police were there, was angry and demanded to know what was going on? Maybe it's just me, but if the police were repeatedly coming and going from a home near my house, I'd be more inclined to consider 1) domestic issues or 2) attempted burgulary. In the case of #1, I'd be concerned, but not angry; in #2, I'd be concerned, but not angry. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But when I read the mother's account she conveyed he was pretty upset and confrontational...mentioning he's got two daughters himself (if iirc).
If I was the mother, and under THAT much pressure and frustration, and been just delivered a *I demand to know what's going on* speech by an angry neighbor, I might have just gone off on him something fierce. According to her blog, he became quite helpful after that, texting and offering Morgan his home, etc. But I found that neighbor's initial reaction strange.
 
Did anyone else find it odd that the neighbor, when he finally approached the family's home when the police were there, was angry and demanded to know what was going on? Maybe it's just me, but if the police were repeatedly coming and going from a home near my house, I'd be more inclined to consider 1) domestic issues or 2) attempted burgulary. In the case of #1, I'd be concerned, but not angry; in #2, I'd be concerned, but not angry. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But when I read the mother's account she conveyed he was pretty upset and confrontational...mentioning he's got two daughters himself (if iirc).
If I was the mother, and under THAT much pressure and frustration, and been just delivered a *I demand to know what's going on* speech by an angry neighbor, I might have just gone off on him something fierce. According to her blog, he became quite helpful after that, texting and offering Morgan his home, etc. But I found that neighbor's initial reaction strange.

Yeah that's what raised my eyebrows, I'd be concerned...not rushing over to my neighbours demanding to know what was happening, JMO
 
Did anyone else find it odd that the neighbor, when he finally approached the family's home when the police were there, was angry and demanded to know what was going on? Maybe it's just me, but if the police were repeatedly coming and going from a home near my house, I'd be more inclined to consider 1) domestic issues or 2) attempted burgulary. In the case of #1, I'd be concerned, but not angry; in #2, I'd be concerned, but not angry. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But when I read the mother's account she conveyed he was pretty upset and confrontational...mentioning he's got two daughters himself (if iirc).
If I was the mother, and under THAT much pressure and frustration, and been just delivered a *I demand to know what's going on* speech by an angry neighbor, I might have just gone off on him something fierce. According to her blog, he became quite helpful after that, texting and offering Morgan his home, etc. But I found that neighbor's initial reaction strange.

Do you think he could be the cam man? It may have caught him leaving. Didnt he also have a shirt just like TI described and showed it toher and also brought up the shoes?
 
So completly off topic

But I wish sometimes reading WS could be a job lol, or I wish I could do my assignments on this kind of stuff, way more interesting!
 
Yeah that's what raised my eyebrows, I'd be concerned...not rushing over to my neighbours demanding to know what was happening, JMO



I'd be demanding because I'd be wondering why no one had mentioned any of this before that point. I'd be livid that something bad may have been repeatedly happening and no one warned me. After I cooled off I'd probably become helpful but my initial reaction would be anger at the chance my own family may have been in danger and no one told or warned us.
 
Please be advised that none of the following is intended to be insulting or accusational to the family, I am just offering alternate theories and ideas that no one has mentioned.

There are lots of details that really stick out in my mind, and I'd like to introduce them here and get your thoughts on them.

1. MI seems very, very immature for her age. She was still living at home, and the mother, thus far, hasn't mentioned anything about her having plans of leaving. Her texts and conversations with her parents show that she was really clinging to them, more than the usual 20 year old. Was she looking for something in them? The photos of her room show a scene more likely found in a 12 - 15 year old's room than a 20 year old college graduate's room. She was eager to finish school and go to law school, but she was only taking two ballet classes that semester. Something doesn't add up here. She wasn't moving forward into adulthood, she seemed stunted. Was it her who didn't want to grow up, or was it her parents who didn't want her to grow up?

2. The CO poisoning. The documents that I have read have said, "Suspected CO poisoning." I don't see anything, aside from the mother's words, that MI was actually diagnosed with CO poisoning during this time. Was this incident another example of what we may be seeing here -- a small thing snowballing, with MI getting a lot of attention from everyone around her? Everyone worrying about her?

My theory right now is that she had a lot more going on than is being shared with the public. Perhaps she didn't even tell her parents what was really going on, perhaps she didn't tell anyone.

I'm not saying this whole thing was intentionally fabricated. I do believe that she heard some tapping on her window, or thought she did, but then I think maybe everyone started to hear things and perceive things that weren't really happening, due to their heightened senses.

In a case like that, it would feel very, very real to them. And maybe some of it was. Once the word got out that there was a stalker, maybe some mischevious people thought they would "mess" with the family more.

As far as the photo of the stalker, it could have been anyone. If I saw a bunch of police officers around my neighbor's home in the middle of the night, I may go have a peek, too. Perhaps the person was just curious and wanted to looky-loo.

Nothing is conclusive in what she has presented to-date, except I do not think there is a human alive who could perpetuate something like this with zero solid evidence left. Also, the death part does not make any sense for a stalker. Had this been a stalker, it would have gone down much, much differently, as stalkers are motivated by very specific things.

This leaves me with two suppositions regarding the death -- either MI did intentionally OD, or perhaps only meant to "slightly" OD and be rescued, or someone inside the home did this to her. Whoever did it did not want this to be a painful death. Whoever did it, if it wasn't her, really loved her.

Again, I know this post may be unpopular here, but I don't think we can figure this out until we consider EVERY possibility, even the ones that seem unimaginable.
 
I'd be demanding because I'd be wondering why no one had mentioned any of this before that point. I'd be livid that something bad may have been repeatedly happening and no one warned me. After I cooled off I'd probably become helpful but my initial reaction would be anger at the chance my own family may have been in danger and no one told or warned us.

didn't he demand before he knew the sceanario? Saying he needs to know what is going on because he has 2 daughters.

Not assuming that like someone said earlier could of been a domestic dispute or something else.

Not pointing fingers but it's a little odd.
 
didn't he demand before he knew the sceanario? Saying he needs to know what is going on because he has 2 daughters.

Not assuming that like someone said earlier could of been a domestic dispute or something else.

Not pointing fingers but it's a little odd.

Well, that helps the anger make a tiny bit more sense. I'll suppose they already knew a bit from the Ingrams? Or just the newly installed motion lights going off gave them a heads up that someone was coming around. Perhaps he wanted police to confirm stalking rumors so he could be more vigilant? (Have to admit my first thought was he's the peeper though, sigh.)

I for one would never go up to a scene where the police are. Next door or not. I can find out later what was going on, or if the police come knocking on my door. I've seen too many people get charged with something for stepping in where they should have just peeped out the window or looked up a scanner channel.

No way I would be angry though. Curious yes. Maybe even a little fearful, but anger would not be a reaction for me.

Still find the anger unusual.
 
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