Cobra: Tapes, Interviews & Case Discussion

[debs]

BBM

Maybe it's just me but I am very puzzled by this. Like I mentioned before, it sounds like...from the point at the top of the hill (where Ron's car was seen on surveillance) LE thought it took him too long to get home...BUT...when Ron tells them he stopped by the store, after they pulled the store video, LE wanted to know how he got home so fast...? How would that be possible if the store he stopped by was on his way home from work? Isn't the Satsuma store near the top of the hill? It would kinda make sense to me if Ron went to the store-out of his way-to make up for the time lost after being spotted at a certain point. Another thing that I noticed is that when Ron is telling the story to Cobra, he says "ummm they also have surveilance video from the top of the hill, where it goes from 2 lanes to 4." Maybe GER can answer this for me?? Leaving PDM-doesn't the road go from 4 lanes to 2?? Maybe it's just the wording that Ron used but it just didn't sound right to me. If Ron is discussing what he did when he left work, you would think he would say, "where it goes from 4 lanes to 2"...Maybe I'm just being picky.LOL It just made me wonder, if he did stop by the store closest to PDM, was he coming from home?? Didn't LE search the stretch of highway that led to and from PDM?

Does anyone know what car Ron drove to work?? I wonder what car was spotted on surveillance?? With all the confusion about the time, I wonder if someone else was driving Ron's car?

Ok i'm done...just thinking out loud...need more coffee!

Ron's route home takes him past the KE in San Mateo, the one GER and Twall say he probably stopped at (GER just posted that's the store they took the tape from). I understood Ron's comments to mean that LE got him on tape ON THE ROAD, not necessarily at the store. However, if he'd driven past the turn to Buffalo Bluff road, and continued for about 5 more miles, he'd have gotten to the KE in Satsuma, the one GER says Ron was a frequent visitor to.

 

[elle1919]

Ger,

It was discussed way back in the beginning. I asked about that train at Buffalo Bluff and someone did say what kind it was, but I don't remember anymore. Sorry. IIRC, I think they said it was an express train of some kind, like an Amtrak. I looked up the map of rail cars, but it doesn't say which is which, rail vs Amtrak.

Bern, wasn't it a CSX? Seems like I might have heard that mentioned in the radio transmissions somewhere. It was said on the transmissions that the train had just went through. IIRC

 

[Chablis]

The LE mentioning the train going through, is that because they think a kidnapper jumped it with a child, or was it to make sure that all units would be able to get out there without any problems?

 

[lil momma]

Has it ever been determined if it was a cargo train or AMtrack that came through that early morning?
Cargo trains, I've seen plenty in my 20+ years of living here in Satsuma and rarely quite honestly, can I ever recall seeing any of the doors open!
If the train was heading southward, it would have been traveling slower, after crossing the trestle over the St. Johns River and going uphill from there.
If the train was going northward, it would be traveling much faster, reaching the bottom of the hill at Buffalo Bluff crossing area...where it would be slowing somewhat to cross the river.
IMHO, it would be nigh impossible to toss or jump a moving train.

ITA GER!!!!!

BBM

i also think that if HaLeigh was thrown on a train, that when the train arrived to its destination HaLeigh would have been found. (at least that is what i think) JMO

 

[jessigirl]

Has it ever been determined if it was a cargo train or AMtrack that came through that early morning?
Cargo trains, I've seen plenty in my 20+ years of living here in Satsuma and rarely quite honestly, can I ever recall seeing any of the doors open!
If the train was heading southward, it would have been traveling slower, after crossing the trestle over the St. Johns River and going uphill from there.
If the train was going northward, it would be traveling much faster, reaching the bottom of the hill at Buffalo Bluff crossing area...where it would be slowing somewhat to cross the river.
IMHO, it would be nigh impossible to toss or jump a moving train.

You are correct. My husband is actually trainmaster for CSX (tracks are owned by CSX that run near 202 Green Lane.) And the days of "hobos" jumping on an open door of a cargo traincar are pretty much gone. You're correct also in that it will be a VERY RARE occasion you'll see one open going down the tracks. The only time you may see a train car's door open, is when it is sitting on a track off the main line,usually not attached to an engine, and some random thieves get lucky prying open the door and stealing expensive cargo(i.e. flat screen tv's, home appliances, etc)this too is also pretty rare but does still occur once in a blue moon.. So, I agree its pretty much slim to none chance of someone tossing Haleigh onto open traincar&then themselves to ride the train to its next destination. (unless they worked for the RR and had complete access to all trains&their destinations?!?)

 

[Baznme]

For fifteen months, we have all heard Ronald Cummings talk about what he was going to do about this or that.

-On the 911 call he said he was going to kill whoever had his daughter.

-He said he would shoot through the back of LE’s car.

-He said he would blow Misty’s teeth out the back of her head.

-He allegedly has threatened numerous times to put a gun in his mouth and kill himself.

Now, after listening to the graphic fantasy of smashing and mangling Joe Overstreet’s hands, it strikes me odd that out of all the interviews, statements, videos, and television appearances by and about Ronald Cummings, I have never heard a single full grown man say he has ever lifted a finger in their direction.

I have, however, listened to allegations of Ronald Cummings hitting and kicking a pregnant woman. I have listened to allegations of him hitting his children. I have even heard he was successful in beating the crap out of a back door.

He seems selective about with who he's comfortable in making good his threats.

Wow.....Papa......I just put something verrrry similiar in the other thread about RC Comments and Behaviors. I think these behavioral actions all have pointers at the end of them and may offer clues if you think of where he was (locations) when he did/said these things and don't forget about the road rage incident involving a gun, Jr. and MC in the truck.

 

[raeann]

Well, he supposedly attacked and beat TC when the Croslins were trying to get Misty out of GGMS house. The description of the incident by all involved sounded as if he was at least trying to inflict some serious damage.

jmoo

 

[GER]

The thing that has always made me chuckle about the HaLeigh being tossed on the train thing, is that, thats a hard thing to do, even just one person jumping on a moving train, imagine having a little child, and trying to get on a moving train, and this person, we are supposed to believe, had to brick open a door to get the child out in the first place!

Now, does the Kangaroo in San Mateo sell booze after 3 am?

Ahhhh...BOTH the San Mateo Kangaroo on the hill and the Satsuma Kangaroo sell beer and wine, 24/7. They are both open 24/7. Unless there is a power outage, then they close the doors.

 

[1Chump]

I'm not sure I get your meaning. Why would he need to lie about Tommy being there if it was really Tommy who said so? Why couldn't Joe's girlfriend have been there on other days besides the 9th? And wasn't Hank Sr in hospital on the 9th?

First, remember Ron did not know he was being taped. We know Ron did not know he was being taped. Because Ron has told us everytime he knows he is being taped. The 911 call, the jailhouse tapes, and the jailhouse interview, Ron has made a comment about being recorded. With Cobra, Ron did not know he was being recorded so anything he told Cobra, Ron believed he could deny.

When the fight over the gun was first reported, it was reported as happening on February 9, 2009. That was when Ron was denying it happened and TN and others were saying it did. Then they changed the date the fight happened to the first time Joe met Ron almost 2 weeks before Haleigh went missing. IMO. with everyone but Ron saying it happened, they realized they could not retract the story so changed the date it happened to move it away from the time Haleigh disappeared.

IMO, Ron realizes he messed up and admitted the fight over the gun was at the same time Haleigh disappeared so says "Misty's Dad" instead of "Misty's brother" to change the date away from the time Haleigh disappeared. That one word "dad" changes the date without him saying anything about misspeaking. Because everyone knew Misty's Dad Hank was in the hospital on February 9, 2009.

That one word "Dad" brings up questions that are not there if it was Misty's brother. Questions about what other date did Joe's gf visit? Why have we never heard about Joe's gf being there except to drop him off and pick him up? What date did the fight happen? Where was Misty and the rest of her family? What kept Joe from leaving then? Why if that fight happened within 3 days of Joe's arrival, would Joe stay another 10 days and ANYONE trust Joe in their houses, around their chidlren?

Why would they need to change the date of the fight from February 9, 2009 to earlier? The only reason is to not connect the fight with the gun to Haleigh.

IMO, Ron got caught up in his bragging and messed up. The fight and Haleigh is connected.

 

[1Chump]

If it helps any at all...
I asked a clerk up at the Kangaroo on the Hill, San Mateo, if LE had taken the video from that night that RC supposedly stopped to get his items. I was told that they had taken it. This Kangaroo would have been on his direct route home from work. However, if he'd of stopped at the Kangaroo in Satsuma, it would've been out of his way, meaning he'd of had to of gone past his turn, Buffalo Bluff, and back tracked to go home. Again, talking to a clerk at the Satsuma Kangaroo, they didn't know about any video tape being turned in to LE...not to say it didn't, just that they didn't know. On the other hand, the clerk(s) at the Satsuma Kangaroo, all knew who RC was BEFORE HaLeigh disappeared, stating that he regularly came into the store.
I have come to the conclusion that it's a toss up! I couldn't narrow it down any more than this.

IMO, the store visit was just to get himself on video so I never really had questions about it. But your posts does make me wonder which store he went to that night.

Did he go to his regular store where the clerks would know him or the other stores where he would not be recognized?

The only reason I ask is because if the clerks knew him, they knew his vehicle. Those clerks might "remember" more than what was shown on the video.

 

[GER]

Ron's route home takes him past the KE in San Mateo, the one GER and Twall say he probably stopped at (GER just posted that's the store they took the tape from). I understood Ron's comments to mean that LE got him on tape ON THE ROAD, not necessarily at the store. However, if he'd driven past the turn to Buffalo Bluff road, and continued for about 5 more miles, he'd have gotten to the KE in Satsuma, the one GER says Ron was a frequent visitor to.

Debs, while I got confirmation from the Kangaroo clerk on the hill in San Mateo that LE did take the store tape, I couldn't get any clerk from Satsuma Kangaroo who knew anything about LE taking or NOT taking a video from their store.
As for any video that could've captured RC while on the road from work to home.. There IS NOT ANY. This is a poor/backwards county. It's also very rural and there is no business along the way, that is going to have video out towards the street. There just isn't. We don't even have cameras at stop lights in the big town of Palatka as of yet! There's been some discussion of one or two being set up, but hasn't occurred.
As for passing by the Buffalo Bluff road turn off to go home and proceed directly to the Satsuma Kangaroo, it's NOT 5 miles. It's just around a couple of curves...a hop, skip and a jump.

 

[GER]

IMO, the store visit was just to get himself on video so I never really had questions about it. But your posts does make me wonder which store he went to that night.

Did he go to his regular store where the clerks would know him or the other stores where he would not be recognized?

The only reason I ask is because if the clerks knew him, they knew his vehicle. Those clerks might "remember" more than what was shown on the video.

Let me give ya this... I live in Satsuma. I have to drive by both to get home or go into town. I go to both of the kangaroos, just depends on what time of day/night and immediate convenience. I'm known at both of these stores and the clerk(s) at both stores knew of RC before HaLeigh disappeared...he just frequented the one in Satsuma on a more regular basis as it was closer to home....

 

[GER]

IMO, the store visit was just to get himself on video so I never really had questions about it. But your posts does make me wonder which store he went to that night.

Did he go to his regular store where the clerks would know him or the other stores where he would not be recognized?

The only reason I ask is because if the clerks knew him, they knew his vehicle. Those clerks might "remember" more than what was shown on the video.

Just to clarify, I believe the stores ONLY have Video surveillance within the store with the camera zoned in to the counter/register. There is NO video camera outside of the store, is what I guess I'm saying. So unless RC parked his vehicle at an angle that could be possibly captured by the inside camera, I don't see how anyone seen his car by video.

 

[dodie20]

First, remember Ron did not know he was being taped. We know Ron did not know he was being taped. Because Ron has told us everytime he knows he is being taped. The 911 call, the jailhouse tapes, and the jailhouse interview, Ron has made a comment about being recorded. With Cobra, Ron did not know he was being recorded so anything he told Cobra, Ron believed he could deny.

When the fight over the gun was first reported, it was reported as happening on February 9, 2009. That was when Ron was denying it happened and TN and others were saying it did. Then they changed the date the fight happened to the first time Joe met Ron almost 2 weeks before Haleigh went missing. IMO. with everyone but Ron saying it happened, they realized they could not retract the story so changed the date it happened to move it away from the time Haleigh disappeared.

IMO, Ron realizes he messed up and admitted the fight over the gun was at the same time Haleigh disappeared so says "Misty's Dad" instead of "Misty's brother" to change the date away from the time Haleigh disappeared. That one word "dad" changes the date without him saying anything about misspeaking. Because everyone knew Misty's Dad Hank was in the hospital on February 9, 2009.

That one word "Dad" brings up questions that are not there if it was Misty's brother. Questions about what other date did Joe's gf visit? Why have we never heard about Joe's gf being there except to drop him off and pick him up? What date did the fight happen? Where was Misty and the rest of her family? What kept Joe from leaving then? Why if that fight happened within 3 days of Joe's arrival, would Joe stay another 10 days and ANYONE trust Joe in their houses, around their chidlren?

Why would they need to change the date of the fight from February 9, 2009 to earlier? The only reason is to not connect the fight with the gun to Haleigh.

IMO, Ron got caught up in his bragging and messed up. The fight and Haleigh is connected.

either the fight over the gun is related to Haleigh, or the gun itself, is related to Haleigh. I just don't get their love of guns. Ron sounded more animated about that thing being missing, than he did his daughter. There is a Freudian theory about men & guns. My sis divorced her 1st husband because he slept on the couch with his gun, instead of with her, so there may be something to that theory.

 

[1Chump]

Just to clarify, I believe the stores ONLY have Video surveillance within the store with the camera zoned in to the counter/register. There is NO video camera outside of the store, is what I guess I'm saying. So unless RC parked his vehicle at an angle that could be possibly captured by the inside camera, I don't see how anyone seen his car by video.

Sorry I did not make it clear. I was talking about the clerks who recognize Ron probably would recognize his vehicle. They might notice the time he pulled into the parking lot compared to the time he showed up on video.

 

[1Chump]

either the fight over the gun is related to Haleigh, or the gun itself, is related to Haleigh. I just don't get their love of guns. Ron sounded more animated about that thing being missing, than he did his daughter. There is a Freudian theory about men & guns. My sis divorced her 1st husband because he slept on the couch with his gun, instead of with her, so there may be something to that theory.

Why would Ron deny the fight over the gun to the media? LE already had confiscated the "gun" after the 911 call. So it was not to hide that he had a gun. The onlyr reason to deny it was when it was first told it was said the fight happened on February 9. Later the story was changed that the media got it wrong and the fight happened earlier, much earlier in Joe's visit.

Only after the timing of the fight was changed in the media did Ron admit to the fight over the gun.

I just cannot figure out from Ron's version if the gun was involved in Haleigh's death or used to force Tommy and/or Joe to help cover it up while Ron was at work creating an "alibi."

 

[lonetraveler]

Debs, months ago, I finally quit worrying about which store he stopped at since it was driving me nutz and it doesn't really matter that much in the overall scheme of this insanity. However, you have reason to have more than a FEELING in thinking the store was the Satsuma location and I believe I can tell you the source.

I'm not aware of a credible link anywhere that states the Satsuma location was the one but, a long while back, on a certain BTR Sunday afternoon show, AH was one of the guests along with Cobra. There was a spirited debate between those two about which location was "the winner" with AH saying San Mateo and Cobra adamantly insisting it was the Satsuma store.

Almost immediately afterward the fur started flying across the boards over which location he stopped at.

Don't ask me for a link to the specific show because the only way I could give it would be to listen to hours and hours of the archives for that show and I ain't a gonna do hit! I'd be talking to myself and writing with crayons time I was finished. If there is anyone needing the specific show information, first of all please accept my sympathies, but I can narrow it down somewhat by again pointing out that both Cobra and AH were on the show. Cobra was there every week but AH was more sporadic.

To pin it down a little further, this was right about the time that one of the call-ins allegedly had her husband wrap her head with duct tape, live on the air. I missed her next stunt which she said, to test her "Haleigh's on a train" theory, she was gonna attempt to chase down a train on foot and toss a 40 lb bundle in an open box car. That's when I quit listening.

You can't make this stuff up.

OMG Papa, you are really a genius with words, LOL. While reading your post, I immediately put down my green crayon. It was the last full paragraph about the woman wrapping her head with duct tape and then planning on chasing down the train that made me pick my crayon up again.....LOL. You are so right about this case......you can't make this stuff up...........Thanks for the great post.

 

[suspicious1]

First, remember Ron did not know he was being taped. We know Ron did not know he was being taped. Because Ron has told us everytime he knows he is being taped. The 911 call, the jailhouse tapes, and the jailhouse interview, Ron has made a comment about being recorded. With Cobra, Ron did not know he was being recorded so anything he told Cobra, Ron believed he could deny.

When the fight over the gun was first reported, it was reported as happening on February 9, 2009. That was when Ron was denying it happened and TN and others were saying it did. Then they changed the date the fight happened to the first time Joe met Ron almost 2 weeks before Haleigh went missing. IMO. with everyone but Ron saying it happened, they realized they could not retract the story so changed the date it happened to move it away from the time Haleigh disappeared.

IMO, Ron realizes he messed up and admitted the fight over the gun was at the same time Haleigh disappeared so says "Misty's Dad" instead of "Misty's brother" to change the date away from the time Haleigh disappeared. That one word "dad" changes the date without him saying anything about misspeaking. Because everyone knew Misty's Dad Hank was in the hospital on February 9, 2009.

That one word "Dad" brings up questions that are not there if it was Misty's brother. Questions about what other date did Joe's gf visit? Why have we never heard about Joe's gf being there except to drop him off and pick him up? What date did the fight happen? Where was Misty and the rest of her family? What kept Joe from leaving then? Why if that fight happened within 3 days of Joe's arrival, would Joe stay another 10 days and ANYONE trust Joe in their houses, around their chidlren?

Why would they need to change the date of the fight from February 9, 2009 to earlier? The only reason is to not connect the fight with the gun to Haleigh.

IMO, Ron got caught up in his bragging and messed up. The fight and Haleigh is connected.

1Chump, that just about sums that up for me. This makes alot of sense..And if there was a need to change the date of the fight, IMO, there is definitely a reason why. Maybe if we replace Hank Sr. with Hank Jr during Ron's conversation with Cobra, the story may fit better. JMO though

 

[suspicious1]

cobra: what do you think about joe, bro? joe would hurt your kid, right?

ron: joe, had business with me… because, heres`s the thing…

cobra: da*n!

ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after..
i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?

cobra: where?

ron: now… (unintelligible) he was with Hank at the doctor… cuz hank said mf`r
if you got that pistol… you need to give it up.

cobra: who said that?

ron: hank…

cobra: hank, who is hank?

ron: man, hank is uh misty`s dad. he said mf you piece of s*** i know you got that gun

cobra: to you?

ron: nah, to joe. if you got that gun, you`re not leavin… cuz he said i`m leavin for for tennessee… i`m getting the f outta here. he said well you mf if you got it, you aint taking it with you, i`ll promise you that. wherever it`s at is where it will be.

cobra: oh joe confrontated his … i mean, uh hank got on his

ron: hank was already on his … hank had been on his all night. 5:30
in the morning, and hank… powwwwww! give it up b**** where is the gun?

cobra: no s**** da*n! x-man X-man mf`r

ron: he used to be before he got f`d up. but uh…

cobra: you talkin bout hank… you talkin bout?

ron: big hank in a wheelchair.

cobra: oh! he`s a bad mf`r, yeah… he`s alright, he`s a cool dude man…
i bought him a pack of cigarettes.

ron: here`s the thing came in the house at 6 o clock and told joe…

unknown: ( unintelligible interruption )

ron: thanks man, alright partner. i said, i said aint gonna hit him.

cobra: big guy? little guy? your size? smaller?

ron: smaller than me, i`d break him in half. aint nothin to it, i said dude…
all i want is for you to let me lay his hand on the concrete and crush it with
this motherf**** jack.

cobra: for stealin for stealin the damn gun…

ron: …and i would crush both of his mf`n hands… i will make sure they will never be able to mf`n… no, they will never be able to reconstruct em ….that way he will never be able to steal nothing from anybody else. right or wrong?

cobra: right on.

(End)

BBM

When Cobra asked Ron about Jo hurting his kid, Ron replies that Jo had business with him...IMO, Ron is telling Cobra that him and Jo were in cohoots at some point during the visit..Maybe drugs were "their business". IMO, something went wrong..Ron says that when he came out his room, after he hid the gun, Jo thought that is where the gun was. IMO, Ron is saying that at some point he went into his room and hid the gun....The fact that JO seen him go into his room, Jo thought that's where the gun was...So Jo must've been there with Ron to see him go into his room. I think this happened sometime Sunday.
Ron says that Jo was with Hank at the hospital and Hank was telling him to give up the gun (IMO, Ron is talking about Hank Jr.) Hank tells Jo that he's not leaving with that gun. I think Ron had the Croslins believing that Jo took that gun but he didn't. Ron hid it and Ron was the one to find it. IMO, Jo never took that gun. I think Hank Jr was going off of what Ron had told him about Jo and the gun. Maybe Jo and Hank went to see Hank Sr in the hospital Sunday afternoon. Or was it just a lie?

Ron says Hank had been on Jo azz all night. And at 5:30am (late Sunday night early Monday morning, IMO) Hank...powwww! "Give it up b****, where is the gun? It sounds like Hank confronted Jo and maybe Ron was there to witness it? Powwww?? Did Hank shoot at JO??? Just wondering.
Ron says at 6 o'clock someone came in and told Jo something...IMO, Ron is now talking about the evening of Monday Feb 9th. IMO, he is talking about someone confronting Jo again (Hank Jr) and Ron was there. Ron tells Hank Jr that he's not going to hit Jo...he just want to crush his hands with THIS M*** JACK". That tells me that at some point Jo, Ron, and Hank were together sometime Monday evening and Ron admitted to having a jack in his possession.

It sounds like it was Hank Jr and Ron against JO.

JMO though

 

[lonetraveler]

Just wanted to make a brief comment about listening to the Cobra and Ron Cummings audios. Everytime I listen to Cobra talk on these audios and on other talk shows my fingers itch just wanting to hit the "translate" button on my google tool bar. I get so frustrated that Cobra will ask a question, or at least I think that he is asking a question and before Ron can get two words out of his mouth to answer, Cobra butts in with his mouth and we never get to hear the entire answer. :banghead::banghead: