Coincidences

  • #261
Sorry, no time to read 98 pages today!


No.

How is she to stop him if as you agree, he has never 'done' anything? Surely that's what you criticised her for when he was brought back to USA? Or would you have rathered he stayed in Thailand and molested kids there?
I'd rather he not molest children anywhere, but at issue is why he was brought back. There is no reason why ML should have brought him back and that is why she was skewered in the media.
I'm sure you are happy he is not in Australia or wherever you are from.
 
  • #262
DNA samples could have been obtained from JMK without bringing him back here. Turning him loose is exactly what they did. They had to, they couldn't link him to a crime here. Thailand is lax on such sex crimes, it is one of the world's most notorious places for child sex crimes. He may not have committed such a crime here (yet) but he wants to. And he will. And it was Lacy who has enabled that.
 
  • #263
I'd rather he not molest children anywhere, but at issue is why he was brought back. There is no reason why ML should have brought him back and that is why she was skewered in the media.
I'm sure you are happy he is not in Australia or wherever you are from.

Well IMO he was brought back because he hadn't yet 'done' anything in Thailand, so they could only arrest him on the basis of what had happened with regard to USA. But because they were watching him, it was obvious that he was 'grooming' a little girl. If he was indeed JBR's murderer and they stood idly by just watching, while he killed another child, I'm sure your criticism of ML would have been more than justified.

Perhaps I'm seeing it differently to you. Initially I thought he was arrested for something he had actually done in Thailand (molesting a child), and in order to avoid jail over there, confessed to JBR's murder just so he could get home. Now I know that assumption was incorrect. The USA authorities had tracked him down, via his phone calls and emails to Tracey over a long period, and were watching him to try to work out if he was indeed her killer. When they saw what he was up to, they acted before he could harm another child.

No, you keep him, you bred him!!
 
  • #264
Well IMO he was brought back because he hadn't yet 'done' anything in Thailand, so they could only arrest him on the basis of what had happened with regard to USA. But because they were watching him, it was obvious that he was 'grooming' a little girl. If he was indeed JBR's murderer and they stood idly by just watching, while he killed another child, I'm sure your criticism of ML would have been more than justified.

Perhaps I'm seeing it differently to you. Initially I thought he was arrested for something he had actually done in Thailand (molesting a child), and in order to avoid jail over there, confessed to JBR's murder just so he could get home. Now I know that assumption was incorrect. The USA authorities had tracked him down, via his phone calls and emails to Tracey over a long period, and were watching him to try to work out if he was indeed her killer. When they saw what he was up to, they acted before he could harm another child.

No, you keep him, you bred him!!

I would rather have seen him stay there. I suppose your country has never bred a pedophile.

People like ML, AH and the RST enable perverts like him. They coddle and excuse and defend.
 
  • #265
I would rather have seen him stay there. I suppose your country has never bred a pedophile.

I think we have an adequate supply of home bred rock spiders, without the need to import any.

People like ML, AH and the RST enable perverts like him. They coddle and excuse and defend.

You're a hard woman DD.
 
  • #266
You're a hard woman DD.[/QUOTE said:
Only in cases like this. Two things make my blood boil and turn my heart to stone- abuse of a child and abuse of an animal.
 
  • #267
I see. Using outdated information that was not challenged.

I don't think brown cotton fibers could turn into red acrylic fibers regardless of how long ago it was or how much you may wish it.

The evidence gathered at the crime scene? You regard this as outdated? Who would have challenged it? It would have been in a lab report or it wouldn't have been able to be presented in court as evidence? Unless you have a very different system to us.
 
  • #268
Are you really having this conversation guys.He better molests there or there?!
I would have wanted him watched or caught,no matter where!

He still is a danger to society IMO even more now since he was made a "star",he probably likes it!They actually gave him exactly what he wanted,publicity.They should have investigated,arrested him (whatever!) behind the scenes not live on national TV.

If Thai police already knew about him and if they were watching him then I guess they should have waited for him to be caught there for something and charge him for the real thing.What they did is exactly what would have happened if they arrested the R's.You don't arrest someone without hard evidence and make a fool out of yourself and a VIP out of the criminal.
 
  • #269
Are you really having this conversation guys.He better molests there or there?!
I would have wanted him watched or caught,no matter where!

He still is a danger to society IMO even more now since he was made a "star",he probably likes it!They actually gave him exactly what he wanted,publicity.They should have investigated,arrested him (whatever!) behind the scenes not live on national TV.

If Thai police already knew about him and if they were watching him then I guess they should have waited for him to be caught there for something and charge him for the real thing.What they did is exactly what would have happened if they arrested the R's.You don't arrest someone without hard evidence and make a foul out of yourself and a VIP out of the criminal.

I don't think you can blame them for making him a 'star'. Blame the media!! They were like sharks in a feeding frenzy. But of course you want a free press and a free society. This doesn't happen where the Government likes to keep everything nice and under control.
 
  • #270
I don't think you can blame them for making him a 'star'. Blame the media!! They were like sharks in a feeding frenzy. But of course you want a free press and a free society. This doesn't happen where the Government likes to keep everything nice and under control.

You can't blame the media for everything,there's no smoke without a fire.Whenever I remember that image with JMK having champagne on that plane I wanna throw up.WHo let the media on that plane,hm?Must have been the authorities.Look how great we are,we catched the monster.
 
  • #271
I bet that there were and still are lots of JMK's who pretend to be JB's killer (happens in many cases,look at the Boston strangler and what police did in that case,makes you wanna scream),but Tracy made sure that this one is taken more seriously.I read all their emails.Most of the times it was him who enabled JMK to make up (?) more and more.
IIRC JMK first said he didn't do it but knows who.THEN, after Tracy giggled his ego he changed his story and said it was him.It's not that hard to realize what buttons you have to push with such a creep,especially if it's one who wants attention.
 
  • #272
IMO, Tracy was leading him on, urging him, and frankly, JMK enjoyed it. Enjoyed the attention, enjoyed having someone believe he HAD done those sick things to JB, and enjoyed writing and talking about it.
 
  • #273
No, we actually know that only four red fibers consistent with her jacket were found on the tape. You are being disingenuous to state that they were 'all over the crime scene'. Likewise, I could say that unknown male DNA was 'all over the crime scene', and if all the items were tested for touch DNA, then this may well be true. We do KNOW however that unsourced fibers WERE entwined in the garrote.


Fibers from Patsy's sweater/jacket were found entwined in the garotte, on the sticky side of the tape, inside the paint tote, and on the blanket that JB was covered with. That is four places...you said only four fibers were found. If that is not all over the crime scene, then I don't know what is. Hmm...no, the only place that had unknown male touch DNA was the waistband of her longjohns...and we have no idea how and when it got there. It means nothing. The fibers from Patsy's sweater jacket...being found all over the crime scene...speaks volumes. She has said that she has never painted while wearing that jacket...so, I guess those fibers just entwined themselves into the garrotte, forced their way under the tape, onto the sticky side, and floated into the paint tote, and onto the blanket. Nahhh, I don't think so.
 
  • #274
Ames: "no evidence at all" and "all over the crime scene" are what I'm talking about. Murri's right that's a bit disingenuous and it's simply not factual.

I believe staging means: arranged: deliberately arranged for effect only...it's meant to be a deceptive practice to fool someone into thinking something other than what happened, happened.

I keep hearing people say the garotte was "staging" but JonBenet was strangled with that cord enough to cause a deep furrow that encircled her entire neck and cause petechial hemorrhaging and enough for the coroner to rule her death as caused by strangulation.

So if you believe PR did it, then you must follow that JB was either bashed in the skull hard and then while she lay possibly dying, instead of calling 911, she got John, they wrote a lengthy note, gathered up some tape and cord, got a paintbrush from the paint box, broke it, tied some fancy knots and then strangled their daughter, sexually violated her, and disposed of the other end of the paintbrush, the rest of the tape, the rest of the cord, but left a practice note.

The fibers from PR's clothing being in her things, on JB and in the house in general is not unusual because she lived there. So that can be explained and it's good evidence if everything else fits, but so many other things do not fit so standing on it's own it's a featherweight.

But there were other fibers that they were unable to match and those may or may not be important too but they offer some possibility that they may have belonged to a perpetrator that was not a Ramsey. Standing on their own they too don't mean much.

In fact neither side has really super duper solid evidence but I think the DNA is weightier and I think as time has gone by an intruder theory has become more plausible than the scenario above and that is why the tide has turned slightly.

Seriously, are you kidding? So, you think that it is not unusual for Patsy's sweater fibers to be found enwtined in the garrotte? I don't care if it was one fiber...or three hundred fibers...it was found entwined in the garrotte. I see no other explaination, than Patsy was there when that garrotte was made.
 
  • #275
Entwined to me means that a fiber(s) got on the cord and then as the cord was twisted it encompassed the fiber(s). What you are proposing is that the only way the fiber(s) got on the cord was that Patsy was handling the cord. I don't think given the fact that she lived there supports that proposition definitively.

Entwined simply means they were on the cord prior to it being twisted or knotted and nothing more.

I do think the amount of fibers is relevant as one or two fibers tends to show it was less likely she was in personal contact and 300 might sway the probability that she may have been in personal contact with the cord.

We have exculpatory fibers in the crime scene as well. Fibers are also said to be consistent or inconsistent and not a perfect match. There are many variables that could go both ways.
 
  • #276
Fibers from Patsy's sweater/jacket were found entwined in the garotte, on the sticky side of the tape, inside the paint tote, and on the blanket that JB was covered with. That is four places...you said only four fibers were found. If that is not all over the crime scene, then I don't know what is. Hmm...no, the only place that had unknown male touch DNA was the waistband of her longjohns...and we have no idea how and when it got there. It means nothing. The fibers from Patsy's sweater jacket...being found all over the crime scene...speaks volumes. She has said that she has never painted while wearing that jacket...so, I guess those fibers just entwined themselves into the garrotte, forced their way under the tape, onto the sticky side, and floated into the paint tote, and onto the blanket. Nahhh, I don't think so.

Where did you get this information? From an interview where they were trying to trap her into a confession. Didn't work eh? Why? They couldn't come up with anything that actually PROVED any of this. No, I know they don't have to PROVE it and of course they "can't tell lies". But they didn't have anything concrete to demonstrate that they were telling the truth either. Of course she doesn't have to try to explain it and she didn't. But just saying something is so, does not make it true. And continually repeating it isn't any more likely to make it true, although you might get a few more suckers to believe it.
 
  • #277
...whether or not LE were trying to trap her into a confession I find her response more than strange.Why would she say she borrowed the jacket that was similar to hers from her friend?
 
  • #278
Only in cases like this. Two things make my blood boil and turn my heart to stone- abuse of a child and abuse of an animal.
Add "abuse of little old folks."
 
  • #279
Where did you get this information? From an interview where they were trying to trap her into a confession. Didn't work eh? Why? They couldn't come up with anything that actually PROVED any of this. No, I know they don't have to PROVE it and of course they "can't tell lies". But they didn't have anything concrete to demonstrate that they were telling the truth either. Of course she doesn't have to try to explain it and she didn't. But just saying something is so, does not make it true. And continually repeating it isn't any more likely to make it true, although you might get a few more suckers to believe it.

Yes - in police interviews and interrogations the officers can lie about the evidence they have. It's a completely legal tactic. It tends to throw off the balance of the evidence that is actually relevant to the case in the public arena.
 
  • #280
Yes - in police interviews and interrogations the officers can lie about the evidence they have. It's a completely legal tactic. It tends to throw off the balance of the evidence that is actually relevant to the case in the public arena.

I would like to see the proof that the Detectives LIED to Patsy in order to get a confession. Can't produce it, because you don't have it.
 

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