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[time]

My understanding, the two of the parents were not living together for years before the divorce.

Yeah, I think three different years have been stated as far as a separation (1998, 2001, and 2006). I have to wonder though if that went on so long that Adam just accepted it as normal, but a 'divorce' opened his eyes that dad was not coming back. However, I tend to think there was something else behind Adam not wanting to communicate with his dad and brother and that a lot more going on than that was problematic than just the divorce.

 

[HastingsChi]

Earlier, it was said that the car Adam was driving was different than Nancy's car. Is this the same car posters have been thinking was Adam's?

It is the same black civic we see in the photos with police tape around it at the scene and the same black civic photographed being taken from the scene on the flatbed. Yes, it has been widely reported as Nancy Lanza's car and identified as the car the suspect drove to Sandy Hook school. It is the same car police in the audio in my post above read the license plate of "possible suspect's vehicle" and that license plate number matches all the photos and video of the black civic. It is also registered to someone who is not the shooter or Nancy Lanza.

 

[JBean]

I think if we accept the report that she was seeking conservatorship- there had to have been doctors involved. While there may be exceptions to this, they are rare. I am familiar with the workings in CA -but not CT so here we go:

At the hearing for involuntary representation, the court shall receive
evidence regarding the respondent’s condition, the respondent’s capacity to
care for himself or herself or to manage his or her affairs, and the
respondent’s ability to meet his or her needs without the appointment of a
conservator. Unless it is waived by the court, the petitioner is required to
present medical evidence about the respondent's condition and its effect on
the respondent’s ability to care for himself or herself or to manage his or her
affairs from one or more physicians licensed to practice medicine in
Connecticut. The physician(s) must have examined the respondent within 45
days of the hearing. In certain circumstances, the court may waive the
requirement of medical evidence, but the judge must state the reason for
doing so.
In addition to the medical evidence provided by the petitioner, the court may,
if it finds it necessary, order the examination of the respondent by another
physician, a psychiatrist, or a psychologist. However, the respondent may
refuse to undergo any examination ordered by the court. The fees for such an
examination will be assessed against the petitioner, the respondent, or the
party requesting the exam. If the party is unable to pay for the examination,
payment will be made by the Probate Court Administration Fund.

http://www.jud.state.ct.us/probate/GuidelinesConservators.pdf

 

[Xavier]

Link please.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...d_but_we_can_still_follow_his_electronic.html

 

[jjenny]

The report of her supposedly seeking conservatorship comes from fox news that interviewed a guy who appears to be repeating some rumors he he heard and admits as much. So, not convincing at the least.

 

[Ricki]

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/car-dr...hooter-lanza-towed-sandy-photo-213310925.html

 

[katydid23]

AL went to school, took college classes, learned to drive. That's high functioning.

My brother went to school, took college classes and kept his drivers license current---and yet he believed in 'backwards' writing. If you left him a phone message, he would play it backwards somehow, and then call you back and play your 'backwards' message---ranting and raving about what your message really said in backwards terms. He once called and told me to change my child's name or he would have to 'do something bad' , because the name, said backwards was 'evil.'

And he got A's in college and had a drivers license.

 

[jjenny]

My brother went to school, took college classes and kept his drivers license current---and yet he believed in 'backwards' writing. If you left him a phone message, he would play it backwards somehow, and then call you back and play your 'backwards' message---ranting and raving about what your message really said in backwards terms. He once called and told me to change my child's name or he would have to 'do something bad' , because the name, said backwards was 'evil.'

And he got A's in college and had a drivers license.

That would still be high functioning when we are talking about autism spectra.

 

[Xavier]

I think if we accept the report that she was seeking conservatorship- there had to have been doctors involved. While there may be exceptions to this, they are rare. I am familiar with the workings in CA -but not CT so here we go:

At the hearing for involuntary representation, the court shall receive
evidence regarding the respondent’s condition, the respondent’s capacity to
care for himself or herself or to manage his or her affairs, and the
respondent’s ability to meet his or her needs without the appointment of a
conservator. Unless it is waived by the court, the petitioner is required to
present medical evidence about the respondent's condition and its effect on
the respondent’s ability to care for himself or herself or to manage his or her
affairs from one or more physicians licensed to practice medicine in
Connecticut. The physician(s) must have examined the respondent within 45
days of the hearing. In certain circumstances, the court may waive the
requirement of medical evidence, but the judge must state the reason for
doing so.
In addition to the medical evidence provided by the petitioner, the court may,
if it finds it necessary, order the examination of the respondent by another
physician, a psychiatrist, or a psychologist. However, the respondent may
refuse to undergo any examination ordered by the court. The fees for such an
examination will be assessed against the petitioner, the respondent, or the
party requesting the exam. If the party is unable to pay for the examination,
payment will be made by the Probate Court Administration Fund.

http://www.jud.state.ct.us/probate/GuidelinesConservators.pdf

Maybe NL tried to set up meetings with a doctor, but maybe AL just locked himself in his room?

Maybe NL had the wheels in motion to take legal proceeedings, left to NH for a 3 day getaway, and was killed the morning after she returned?

Maybe NL told her son to "think about it" or it got really turbulent/argumentative in their home after bringing this idea to the forefront and she needed to get out of town for awhile to cool off?

Doctors are not speaking about this, likely there are patient rights or some confidentiality laws preventing the Lanza doctors from coming forth

 

[HastingsChi]

I think if we accept the report that she was seeking conservatorship- there had to have been doctors involved. While there may be exceptions to this, they are rare. I am familiar with the workings in CA -but not CT so here we go:

At the hearing for involuntary representation, the court shall receive
evidence regarding the respondent’s condition, the respondent’s capacity to
care for himself or herself or to manage his or her affairs, and the
respondent’s ability to meet his or her needs without the appointment of a
conservator. Unless it is waived by the court, the petitioner is required to
present medical evidence about the respondent's condition and its effect on
the respondent’s ability to care for himself or herself or to manage his or her
affairs from one or more physicians licensed to practice medicine in
Connecticut. The physician(s) must have examined the respondent within 45
days of the hearing. In certain circumstances, the court may waive the
requirement of medical evidence, but the judge must state the reason for
doing so.
In addition to the medical evidence provided by the petitioner, the court may,
if it finds it necessary, order the examination of the respondent by another
physician, a psychiatrist, or a psychologist. However, the respondent may
refuse to undergo any examination ordered by the court. The fees for such an
examination will be assessed against the petitioner, the respondent, or the
party requesting the exam. If the party is unable to pay for the examination,
payment will be made by the Probate Court Administration Fund.

http://www.jud.state.ct.us/probate/GuidelinesConservators.pdf

Thanks for that info JBean.

Depending on CT medical records laws and HIPAA's application regarding individuals who are deceased, it is possible we will learn much more about the shooter's medical history before the final report is issued.

There is another way we might learn such information and that is from Peter Lanza releasing the information via waiver or similar. Now if anyone has seen "We Need to Talk About Kevin," Tilda Swinton's brilliant performance gives us a better understanding of the guilt, struggle and emotional roller coaster that the shooter's father must be dealing with as the impact is of epic proportions. While I doubt that we'll see the shooter's father in the media in the coming days of weeks, releasing this information might be a way to help the victims and their families gain a better understanding of the question of WHY.

There are a lot of moving parts here...

 

[Donjeta]

Yeah, I think three different years have been stated as far as a separation (1998, 2001, and 2006). I have to wonder though if that went on so long that Adam just accepted it as normal, but a 'divorce' opened his eyes that dad was not coming back. However, I tend to think there was something else behind Adam not wanting to communicate with his dad and brother and that a lot more going on than that was problematic than just the divorce.

I wonder if the three different years are just the usual messy reporting that can't get the facts right or if it was an on-off relationship.

 

[HastingsChi]

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/car-dr...hooter-lanza-towed-sandy-photo-213310925.html

Thanks Ricki. Same car. Same plate number. Identified as the car the suspect drove. Registered to a different person who happens to be a felon.

Again, I fully believe that AL is the lone shooter and there is not any sort of conspiracy.

Just found the registration to be an odd anomaly and am curious about feedback from the awesome folks here at WS

 

[Xavier]

They were separated long before the divorce. It wasn't a "sudden break up."

The Lanza's I believe separated twice, in 2001 and finally in 2010

 

[jjenny]

How exactly do we know who the car is registered to?

 

[jjenny]

The Lanza's I believe separated twice, in 2001 and finally in 2010

The divorce become final in 2010. It appears the two of them were separated long before the divorce became final.

 

[HastingsChi]

How exactly do we know who the car is registered to?

Police audio and dispatch confirmation linked in my initial post about the car.

 

[Xavier]

Sandy Hook Shooter Lanza Left Little For Investigators To Trace
December 19, 2012|By DAVE ALTIMARI, EDMUND H. MAHONY and JON LENDER, [email protected], The Hartford Courant


After a week of intensive investigation following the slaughter of 20 first graders and six women at an elementary school in Newtown, normally promising lines of inquiry have turned up little if anything to shed light on what motivated Adam Lanza, the reclusive, 20-year old gunman, to kill.

A preliminary examination of his cellular telephone showed that he had made or received few, if any calls, investigators and others familiar with the matter said. No information has yet emerged from investigators on any possible text messages he may have sent or received.

 

[Tennlyn]

Thanks Ricki. Same car. Same plate number. Identified as the car the suspect drove. Registered to a different person who happens to be a felon.

Again, I fully believe that AL is the lone shooter and there is not any sort of conspiracy.

Just found the registration to be an odd anomaly and am curious about feedback from the awesome folks here at WS

Where is the information that the car is registered to someone else ("a felon") coming from? I've seen that rumor on conspiracy sites only.

 

[flipflop]

How exactly do we know who the car is registered to?

post 461

 

[Xavier]

I found some newer reporting some of you might want to read..this seems to say AL's video games were interactive with other gamers


Lanza had two bedrooms in the house, including one in the basement in which he kept his computer, his computer video games and other possessions. Lanza had thousands of dollars worth of video games and preferred to play on his computer with other anonymous gamers, investigators said.

By destroying his hard drive investigators will not be able to trace what games he was playing, who he was playing with and, more importantly, whether he gave anybody forewarning of the horrific violence he unleashed. Anything he may have written on his computer that could have provided a glimpse into Lanza's thinking also would be irretrievable.



http://articles.courant.com/2012-12...219_1_home-computer-investigators-video-games