CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[su5ie]

Wait, MBM had never met their teacher?????

Yes it's in the documents

 

[su5ie]

It seems odd to me, too, especially because I assume it was a fairly small school community? My parents definitely knew all the teachers at my primary school (at least by sight, even if they hadn't spoken to them) by the time I'd been going to school for a couple of years (which I assume Lilly had?), including the ones who had never taught me or my sister. Although to be fair, we did know several of them before we even started school, because they also went to our church

It is odd to me , even if we look at it from the perspective of a severe social anxiety disorder.

I suspect she enrolled the children at one point in the school so may have met previous teachers or school principal.

In ireland teachers are not the same yearly for the kids . So in year 1 they have Ms 'so and so 'and in year 2 it will be Ms " somebody else " etc .

It could be one of the factors that contributed to the cps report being made , usually and I'm not saying its the case here but when a parent is not seen by authorities in their child's life , it can raise red flags

If we look at the social anxiety angle or people phobia we would have to question how MBM could handle all other social interactions in person such as appointments, grocery shopping and whatever else the order of the day entailed

My hunch is she prehaps was either hiding herself for whatever reason or couldn’t be bothered to make the journey to the school when things could be dealt with by phonecall

 

[303gmf]

It is odd to me , even if we look at it from the perspective of a severe social anxiety disorder.

I suspect she enrolled the children at one point in the school so may have met previous teachers or school principal.

In ireland teachers are not the same yearly for the kids . So in year 1 they have Ms 'so and so 'and in year 2 it will be Ms " somebody else " etc .

It could be one of the factors that contributed to the cps report being made , usually and I'm not saying its the case here but when a parent is not seen by authorities in their child's life , it can raise red flags

If we look at the social anxiety angle or people phobia we would have to question how MBM could handle all other social interactions in person such as appointments, grocery shopping and whatever else the order of the day entailed

My hunch is she prehaps was either hiding herself for whatever reason or couldn’t be bothered to make the journey to the school when things could be dealt with by phonecall

Anxiety would be ramped up in millions of mothers when kids are missing, social or otherwise it would seem more anxiety provoking to NOT venture outside to look for herself
I’ll never understand waiting for others to help or relying on

 

[TMich6811]

It is odd to me , even if we look at it from the perspective of a severe social anxiety disorder.

I suspect she enrolled the children at one point in the school so may have met previous teachers or school principal.

In ireland teachers are not the same yearly for the kids . So in year 1 they have Ms 'so and so 'and in year 2 it will be Ms " somebody else " etc .

It could be one of the factors that contributed to the cps report being made , usually and I'm not saying its the case here but when a parent is not seen by authorities in their child's life , it can raise red flags

If we look at the social anxiety angle or people phobia we would have to question how MBM could handle all other social interactions in person such as appointments, grocery shopping and whatever else the order of the day entailed

My hunch is she prehaps was either hiding herself for whatever reason or couldn’t be bothered to make the journey to the school when things could be dealt with by phonecall

I’m Not in Canada

In the US Not meeting a teacher isn’t unusual at the beginning of the year. Actually probably normal.

By the time they went missing though - highly
Unusual given parent teacher conferences, school activities, etc

Is progress day the same as parent teacher conferences? Or just submission day for grades

https://www.ccrce.ca/common/pages/DownloadFileByUrl.aspx?key=Ar1ap6pUO6EKFJyG2Tw1wXZAgs0CiIaEDvmEJnM0s5PNqQz56TMP0FYSgule1ywojJPTQXrFUZkD9cXLQNIidOipbT9R70FC5UN5P8oUs51OxYLwcvc1r7Ez4DU7lTgJP6yLkfN%2fj%2fiVT0gC8iy9lk9g3wkK0pu7hbT%2bG10vVGL7N3lo6xMimp1WyMQG6ETNgIoYAXFUbwEZ8B81YFZSx3RPRdNMp2RnvjQZnEsl6DOjpXvfEBe228OtRvxhD4F%2blhpI2g%3d%3d

 

[TMich6811]

Also just thinking that if there were CPS reports - that often impacts communication between school and home

 

[Ontario Mom]

Not in Canada

Not meeting a teacher isn’t unusual at the beginning of the year. Actually probably normal.

By the time they went missing though - highly
Unusual given parent teacher conferences, school activities, etc

Is progress day the same as parent teacher conferences? Or just submission day for grades

https://www.ccrce.ca/common/pages/DownloadFileByUrl.aspx?key=Ar1ap6pUO6EKFJyG2Tw1wXZAgs0CiIaEDvmEJnM0s5PNqQz56TMP0FYSgule1ywojJPTQXrFUZkD9cXLQNIidOipbT9R70FC5UN5P8oUs51OxYLwcvc1r7Ez4DU7lTgJP6yLkfN%2fj%2fiVT0gC8iy9lk9g3wkK0pu7hbT%2bG10vVGL7N3lo6xMimp1WyMQG6ETNgIoYAXFUbwEZ8B81YFZSx3RPRdNMp2RnvjQZnEsl6DOjpXvfEBe228OtRvxhD4F%2blhpI2g%3d%3d

My experience with the public schools here in Ontario is that in-person parent/teacher conferences were (over time) reserved for students that were struggling in some way. Two of my kids struggled where the other 5 didn't. The kids with learning issues, I did meet the teachers in person and have those progress reports explained to me. The other kid's teachers, I often never met until maybe later in the year at a school event. Some I never formally "met" but knew who they were since my kids (for the most part) all went to the same schools.

It does seem unusual that Jack and Lilly's mom never met their teachers, especially considering the idea that both of them were allegedly autistic. An in-person meeting would have been completely appropriate so it's interesting that never happened.

jmo

 

[su5ie]

Anxiety would be ramped up in millions of mothers when kids are missing, social or otherwise it would seem more anxiety provoking to NOT venture outside to look for herself
I’ll never understand waiting for others to help or relying on

I wasn't referring to the search , I was referring to mbm never meeting the children's teacher in person over the course of the school year

But yes I get your point

 

[TMich6811]

My experience with the public schools here in Ontario is that in-person parent/teacher conferences were (over time) reserved for students that were struggling in some way. Two of my kids struggled where the other 5 didn't. The kids with learning issues, I did meet the teachers in person and have those progress reports explained to me. The other kid's teachers, I often never met until maybe later in the year at a school event. Some I never formally "met" but knew who they were since my kids (for the most part) all went to the same schools.

It does seem unusual that Jack and Lilly's mom never met their teachers, especially considering the idea that both of them were allegedly autistic. An in-person meeting would have been completely appropriate so it's interesting that never happened.

jmo

Here all students do parent teacher conferences (I assume everywhere anyway) so that’s different anyway. But their reported needs to make it more unusual imo also I agree

 

[303gmf]

I wasn't referring to the search , I was referring to mbm never meeting the children's teacher in person over the course of the school year

But yes I get your point

Whoosh

 

[Ontario Mom]

Here all students do parent teacher conferences (I assume everywhere anyway) so that’s different anyway. But their reported needs to make it more unusual imo also I agree

It was like that years ago (and when I was growing up as well) but then it began switching over to simple progress reports being sent home for the kids that were doing well. I haven't read these documents but do they mention if DM had met the kid's teachers?

 

[Danaya]

Its striking to revisit the abduction theory I presented months ago, especially given the resistance I faced from those who refused to engage with the physical evidence. After investing countless hours in terrain analysis, mapping potential routes, and working with AI to systematically evaluate different scenarios, I knew something fundamental didn't align with the narrative that had taken hold.

The persistent problem in these discussions has been the tendency to fabricate evidence rather than work with what evidence actually exists. Criminal investigations don't operate on invented theories. I won't claim every detail I proposed was flawless, but I recognized early on that the fixation on the parents lacked evidentiary foundation.

Now an eyewitness report may corroborate both the abduction scenario and the vehicle staging location I identified months ago through terrain analysis. An effective investigation requires following evidence, not forcing evidence to follow a theory. Yet Occam's razor gets constantly misapplied in online discussions, as if it constitutes proof. That principle requires an absence of evidence. Here, we have substantial physical evidence pointing in a specific direction.

I'll also add that in a follow up post, I believe I brought up the question of where the offender would've parked. In one of my posts I had gotten a location wrong, and didn't cite my Google Earth photo, so I'm not sure if I deleted it, or if it was deleted by a moderator. Anyways, if there were two offenders, this would make perfect sense. One to watch the vehicle and the other (less threatening?) accomplice to take the kids.

I had been operating on the assumption that there was only one offender—a male who had experience in hunting/fishing and who used the pipeline trail before. An ATV was something I thought could've been used to transport the children from the home. Someone questioned the lack of tracks, but if you look at photos, you can see the terrain would allow people to move along it without leaving any. It isn't soft soil, it's rocky and compact. The gravel shifts under pressure.

 

[steff13]

It was like that years ago (and when I was growing up as well) but then it began switching over to simple progress reports being sent home for the kids that were doing well. I haven't read these documents but do they mention if DM had met the kid's teachers?

One would think, though, that if the progress report showed that the children were struggling the parent would request a meeting with the teacher.

As far as DM, would he be allowed to meet with the teachers? He and the mother are not married and he has no ties to the children as far as custody, I don't think.

 

[OneLove]

One would think, though, that if the progress report showed that the children were struggling the parent would request a meeting with the teacher.

As far as DM, would he be allowed to meet with the teachers? He and the mother are not married and he has no ties to the children as far as custody, I don't think.

Very curious, especially given that the teachers were having to provide appropriate clothing for the children and that the school had reported the children to child protective services. This is usually not done until the school's efforts to work with the family has failed.

I'd guess that was not done until several requests had been made for parent-teacher conferences with no response. --It would be quite obvious to caretakers at home that the children returned home at the end of school days wearing clothing they had NOT worn getting on the school bus in the morning and that did not belong to them ... UNLESS the children were not observed before getting on the school bus.

This leads me to believe the children were likely waking themselves, dressing themselves, feeding themselves, and getting themselves to the school bus in the mornings, often after sleeping in the same clothes they'd worn the day (or days?) before.

Its sad intervention did not come soon enough.

 

[Ontario Mom]

One would think, though, that if the progress report showed that the children were struggling the parent would request a meeting with the teacher.

As far as DM, would he be allowed to meet with the teachers? He and the mother are not married and he has no ties to the children as far as custody, I don't think.

I agree, if the kids were struggling school, an in-person conference would be at the top of the list.

In NS it's the same as Ontario where common law marraige is recognized (this was discussed at length early in the thread). If the custodial parent (the mom) listed him as either primary or secondary contact for the school, he would definitely be allowed the same access she had.

 

[tlcya]

The high rate of human trafficking in Nova Scotia comes from a very specific source. North Preston's Finest grooms teenage girls from group homes, via the "boyfriend game". (Happened to my best friend a few decades ago, and they're still at it.) They're brutal, ruthless, amoral trafficking pimps of the worst order. But trafficking kidnapped children has never been on their rap sheet, or even an accusation. They don't sell small children. They "work" their "girls" in strip clubs and escorting.




The way it makes sense, is if you think of it not as a weapon but as a booby trap. It's a poor man's alarm system.

When I lived with someone who was running a cash business out of home, they worried about their own customer base breaking in to steal. They were always dreaming up weird booby trap ideas, for the cash and the doors. They wanted to be woken up if someone tried to break in at night.

Lilly and Jack Sullivan Documents - 1 — the Canadian Gothic

searcn and seizure application related to telephones belonging to Daniel and Malehya

thecanadiangothic.com

thank you, interesting.

So step gramma J stated the young family got home around 10 pm on Wednesday after doing laundry at another family member's home. The children stayed home Thursday and played in the yard throughout the day with her serving them snacks.

MBM describes Thursday as kids having a cough being kept home for that reason so she tidied up the home and later in the afternoon she and DM being in town on errands with the kids. She was too tired to clean that evening so watched tv, put all teh kids don around 9 and shortly thereafter went to bed herself. Says DM offered to stay up and clean up the house for her. But it was not clean when she woke up so she doesn't know what he got busy with but it wasn't that. It was his practice to do little DIY projects at night, fixing things etc.

In a subsequent interview she said the kids were hyper and wound up but she got them into bed around 10pm, Lily took her backpack with her to bed.

[first I have heard about DM's father owning a 100 acres of woods near Barney's River.]

I think I get the wrench thing (this conversation in the thread was confusing to me but seeing it described in the documents I understand what was happening with it now). The wrench wasn't atop the door. It was used as a wedge to more firmly hold the door closed. similar to a doorstop beneath a door, only he was using a wrench at the top of the door frame to close it more securely (assuming the door was out of level and therefore may not have latched securely if a child closed it.

 

[su5ie]

It was like that years ago (and when I was growing up as well) but then it began switching over to simple progress reports being sent home for the kids that were doing well. I haven't read these documents but do they mention if DM had met the kid's teachers?

No , unfortunately they do not

 

[Bigditch]

Its striking to revisit the abduction theory I presented months ago, especially given the resistance I faced from those who refused to engage with the physical evidence. After investing countless hours in terrain analysis, mapping potential routes, and working with AI to systematically evaluate different scenarios, I knew something fundamental didn't align with the narrative that had taken hold.

The persistent problem in these discussions has been the tendency to fabricate evidence rather than work with what evidence actually exists. Criminal investigations don't operate on invented theories. I won't claim every detail I proposed was flawless, but I recognized early on that the fixation on the parents lacked evidentiary foundation.

Now an eyewitness report may corroborate both the abduction scenario and the vehicle staging location I identified months ago through terrain analysis. An effective investigation requires following evidence, not forcing evidence to follow a theory. Yet Occam's razor gets constantly misapplied in online discussions, as if it constitutes proof. That principle requires an absence of evidence. Here, we have substantial physical evidence pointing in a specific direction.

I'll also add that in a follow up post, I believe I brought up the question of where the offender would've parked. In one of my posts I had gotten a location wrong, and didn't cite my Google Earth photo, so I'm not sure if I deleted it, or if it was deleted by a moderator. Anyways, if there were two offenders, this would make perfect sense. One to watch the vehicle and the other (less threatening?) accomplice to take the kids.

I had been operating on the assumption that there was only one offender—a male who had experience in hunting/fishing and who used the pipeline trail before. An ATV was something I thought could've been used to transport the children from the home. Someone questioned the lack of tracks, but if you look at photos, you can see the terrain would allow people to move along it without leaving any. It isn't soft soil, it's rocky and compact. The gravel shifts under pressure.

I appreciate the frustration you feel. It sounds like you have a particular skill when it comes to terrain analysis. Are you suggesting an abductor might have lay in wait on the pipeline trail? Or the more recent vehicle siting with the female standing by the side of the road where the witness said she saw two kids walking towards?

 

[OneLove]

thank you, interesting.

So step gramma J stated the young family got home around 10 pm on Wednesday... >snip<

Being kept out and awake so late at night might indicate no intention of kids going to school the next day? I would hope they weren't kept awake that late ordinarily on school nights??

MBM describes Thursday as kids having a cough being kept home for that reason... >snip<

Since they were out so late and doubtful they were up so early, she must have judged they had bad coughs the night before? Did the security cams at the store show them coughing?

In a subsequent interview she said the kids were hyper and wound up but she got them into bed around 10pm, Lily took her backpack with her to bed.

Did Lily take her backpack to bed with her because she really wanted to go to school the next day and she wanted to be ready to race out the door, already dressed? School could have been a safe environment of stability & care for her.

On being "hyper and wound up", there have been MANY accidental overdoses over the years of benadryl given to put kids to sleep quickly and on cue. Was benadryl found in the house?

[first I have heard about DM's father owning a 100 acres of woods near Barney's River.]

Any idea how far this is from Daniel's mother's property they were living on?

I think I get the wrench thing (this conversation in the thread was confusing to me but seeing it described in the documents I understand what was happening with it now). The wrench wasn't atop the door. It was used as a wedge to more firmly hold the door closed. similar to a doorstop beneath a door, only he was using a wrench at the top of the door frame to close it more securely (assuming the door was out of level and therefore may not have latched securely if a child closed it.

That wrench, even wedged in, was still a hazard to the children and anyone else who might jerk hard on the door trying to get it open. That woukd def have been noted in a home visitation and inspection by child protective services.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Being kept out and awake so late at night might indicate no intention of kids going to school the next day? I would hope they weren't kept awake that late ordinarily on school nights??

Since they were out so late and doubtful they were up so early, she must have judged they had bad coughs the night before? Did the security cams at the store show them coughing?

Did Lily take her backpack to bed with her because she really wanted to go to school the next day and she wanted to be ready to race out the door, already dressed? School could have been a safe environment of stability & care for her.

On being "hyper and wound up", there have been MANY accidental overdoses over the years of benadryl given to put kids to sleep quickly and on cue. Was benadryl found in the house?

Any idea how far this is from Daniel's mother's property they were living on?

That wrench, even wedged in, was still a hazard to the children and anyone else who might jerk hard on the door trying to get it open. That woukd def have been noted in a home visitation and inspection by child protective services.

All very good questions. I wish we knew the answers.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I’m Not in Canada

In the US Not meeting a teacher isn’t unusual at the beginning of the year. Actually probably normal.

By the time they went missing though - highly
Unusual given parent teacher conferences, school activities, etc

Is progress day the same as parent teacher conferences? Or just submission day for grades

https://www.ccrce.ca/common/pages/DownloadFileByUrl.aspx?key=Ar1ap6pUO6EKFJyG2Tw1wXZAgs0CiIaEDvmEJnM0s5PNqQz56TMP0FYSgule1ywojJPTQXrFUZkD9cXLQNIidOipbT9R70FC5UN5P8oUs51OxYLwcvc1r7Ez4DU7lTgJP6yLkfN%2fj%2fiVT0gC8iy9lk9g3wkK0pu7hbT%2bG10vVGL7N3lo6xMimp1WyMQG6ETNgIoYAXFUbwEZ8B81YFZSx3RPRdNMp2RnvjQZnEsl6DOjpXvfEBe228OtRvxhD4F%2blhpI2g%3d%3d

So are you saying it's normal there to send your 4 year old to school on their first day on the bus having never taken them to the school yourself?

Where I live that is literally unheard of. Parents take their child to their first day of school and their school visits before that. Most parents here would take their child to their first day of school every year for the first few years at least.