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are any of you getting measles shots? Pretty sure I was given the dead and the live shots a child and should not need another shot but I have seen advice that some people should get a booster...




Do adults need a measles vaccine booster? : Shots

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Feb 21, 2025 — Public health experts say there are some adults who should consider getting revaccinated. That includes older adults who were born after 1957 and were ...
This is something I have looked into over the last couple of years and it doesn't seem that there is a real answer on if boosters are necessary. I haven't heard any reports where older adults vaccinated a long time ago have come down with measles. Unfortunately, most of the news articles about measles outbreaks are pretty superficial in regards to some of these facts.
 
  • #522
This is something I have looked into over the last couple of years and it doesn't seem that there is a real answer on if boosters are necessary. I haven't heard any reports where older adults vaccinated a long time ago have come down with measles. Unfortunately, most of the news articles about measles outbreaks are pretty superficial in regards to some of these facts.
I've seen this discussed recently in several newsletters that I get and also here upthread. Here is one such:

But public health experts say there are some adults who should consider getting revaccinated. That includes older adults who were born after 1957 and were vaccinated before 1968.

That's because early versions of the measles vaccine were made from an inactivated (killed) virus, which didn't work particularly well, Offit says. That's why the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that anyone vaccinated before 1968 get at least one dose of the live attenuated vaccine.

Before the first measles vaccines were developed in the 1960s, nearly everyone got the disease during childhood. So people born before 1957 are assumed to have natural immunity.


Schaffner says if you're not sure of your immunity or vaccination status, there's no harm in getting a shot.


 
  • #523
Ugh. I hate when people who know nothing about something make high level decisions. Oft times what might sound like a good decision actually is not. :(

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the U.S. health secretary, said that the Department of Health and Human Services and the divisions under its control have been inefficient.

“I now understand why all this money is not improving our health,” Kennedy said, painting HHS as a “sprawling bureaucracy” rife with waste.

Kennedy said that following the restructuring, the 28 divisions that currently make up HHS would be reduced to 15. Five regional offices will also be closed
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More at link: https://www.barrons.com/articles/hhs-job-cuts-rfk-a6759c1d?
 
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Ugh. I hate when people who know nothing about something make high level decisions. Oft times what might sound like a good decision actually is not. :(

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the U.S. health secretary, said that the Department of Health and Human Services and the divisions under its control have been inefficient.

“I now understand why all this money is not improving our health,” Kennedy said, painting HHS as a “sprawling bureaucracy” rife with waste.

Kennedy said that following the restructuring, the 28 divisions that currently make up HHS would be reduced to 15. Five regional offices will also be closed
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More at link: https://www.barrons.com/articles/hhs-job-cuts-rfk-a6759c1d?
Ok, but there is a lot of that going around. Remember, Dr. Fauci initially stated to NOT mask, then later changed, even though again later admitting not evidence the masks worked. And also admitted there was no science behind the 6 foot distancing orders he endorsed.
 
  • #526
Ok, but there is a lot of that going around. Remember, Dr. Fauci initially stated to NOT mask, then later changed, even though again later admitting not evidence the masks worked. And also admitted there was no science behind the 6 foot distancing orders he endorsed.
Please keep in mind that Coronavirus was a “Novel” (meaning new) virus, so there weren’t protocols and scientists were flying blind and doing the best they could. Dr Fauci asked us to save masks for health care workers initially and then decided it would be best to wear them. I would rather have someone be overly cautious until they had facts than throw caution to the wind like Trump did. The people refusing to mask did not have any special knowledge, but were just rebels.

Measles has been around forever and the vaccine has been around since about 1968 so scientists know a lot. There is no comparison to knowledge about covid. RFK Jr clearly is ignorant of everything except his own opinions that are endangering children. At least erring on the side of caution can save lives.

JMO
 
  • #527
are any of you getting measles shots? Pretty sure I was given the dead and the live shots a child and should not need another shot but I have seen advice that some people should get a booster...
My husband had measles as a child, so he probably has natural immunity. My siblings and I got the original MMR in the '60s. I don't know if I might need a booster but will ask my PCP when I have my annual physical in two weeks. I was born in 1950 and most of the literature seems to suggest that anyone born before 1957 is likely immune.
 
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  • #528
are any of you getting measles shots? Pretty sure I was given the dead and the live shots a child and should not need another shot but I have seen advice that some people should get a booster...




Do adults need a measles vaccine booster? : Shots

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https://www.npr.org › 2025/02/21 › nx-s1-5304458




Feb 21, 2025 — Public health experts say there are some adults who should consider getting revaccinated. That includes older adults who were born after 1957 and were ...
I was born in 1962 and assumed I had only gotten one measles vax, so was planning to ask my doc at next week's appointment whether I should consider getting a booster.

But then I went looking and actually found my immunization record book my mom kept for me. (pardon my garden-dirty nails 🫣)

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So I see that I had a measles vaccine in mid 1963 and then another ("Attenuax," had to look that up) in my early teens in 1975.

And I see I got a Rubella shot and a Mumps shot in different years, that must have been before they combined into MMR.

And I had no idea I'd gotten a Smallpox vax! I have no shoulder scar, so just assumed they had stopped giving them by the time I came along. I guess not.

I will bring this with me and ask the doc anyway but seeing as I had two shots I suspect I'll be told I don't need a booster.
 
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I was born in 1962 and assumed I had only gotten one measles vax, so was planning to ask my doc at next week's appointment whether I should consider getting a booster.

But then I went looking and actually found my immunization record book my mom kept for me. (pardon my garden-dirty nails 🫣)

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So I see that I had a measles vaccine in mid 1963 and then another ("Attenuax," had to look that up) in my early teens in 1975.

And I see I got a Rubella shot and a Mumps shot in different years, that must have been before they combined into MMR.

And I had no idea I'd gotten a Smallpox vax! I have no shoulder scar, so just assumed they had stopped giving them by the time I came along. I guess not.

I will bring this with me and ask the doc anyway but seeing as I had two shots I suspect I'll be told I don't need a booster.
wow you and your Mom were practically archivists.... I just remember saying to my mom- "didn't I already get these? why do I need them again?" And her saying "I'don't know but you have to..."
 
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wow you and your Mom were practically archivists.... I just remember saying to my mom- "didn't I already get these? why do I need them again?" And her saying "I'don't know but you have to..."

There's even two other pages in the booklet -- one listing when I got vaxxes for polio, diphtheria, pertussis, etc, and one with "medical history" that includes when I was exposed to -- but didn't get -- German measles, (years before I got the Rubella vax -- isn't that the same as German measles?), and when I had chicken pox (summer 1969). And I see that I've had Hong Kong Flu, "real" flu, and suspected Roseola.

Mom would be honored to have been called an archivist, thanks! As would I, but few if any of those notes were made by me.
 
  • #532
There's even two other pages in the booklet -- one listing when I got vaxxes for polio, diphtheria, pertussis, etc, and one with "medical history" that includes when I was exposed to -- but didn't get -- German measles, (years before I got the Rubella vax -- isn't that the same as German measles?), and when I had chicken pox (summer 1969). And I see that I've had Hong Kong Flu, "real" flu, and suspected Roseola.

Mom would be honored to have been called an archivist, thanks! As would I, but few if any of those notes were made by me.
It's a great record to have. Your mother was very thorough in noting all these! Yes, rubella is German measles. My mum had it when she was pregnant with my sister (before there was a vaccine) and sadly my sister was born with congenital rubella syndrome including deafness and lifelong medical problems. Thankfully all kids here are vaccinated in school with the MMR now.

Edit: I remember when I was at school just the girls were given a standalone rubella vaccine around age 12 because of the known problems the disease could cause in pregnancy. They don't seem to do that anymore and everyone just gets the MMR.
 
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  • #533
It's a great record to have. Your mother was very thorough in noting all these!
When recently asked, Momma G said "You got everything you were told you should have. And I remember that one time things were taking too long, you were sitting on the table and told the Dr. you had to go potty. He told you to wait and you peed all over the table and it dripped onto the floor. I'll bet he never tells another kid to "Just hold it" again". LOL

The things mothers remember and love retelling....
 
  • #534
I got this in an AARP newsletter and thought I'd share as there might be some interest here.

Volunteer for This Study

Join a research study on COVID-19’s impact on memory and thinking, conducted by Boston University.

...but what's weird is when I click on the link I see "Covid Brain Health Study" at the top for like 2 seconds, and then it disappears and I no longer see "Covid" anywhere on the page so unsure if it is a Covid study, or some other study. Anyway, here's the link if interested:

 
  • #535
Please keep in mind that Coronavirus was a “Novel” (meaning new) virus, so there weren’t protocols and scientists were flying blind and doing the best they could. Dr Fauci asked us to save masks for health care workers initially and then decided it would be best to wear them. I would rather have someone be overly cautious until they had facts than throw caution to the wind like Trump did. The people refusing to mask did not have any special knowledge, but were just rebels.

Measles has been around forever and the vaccine has been around since about 1968 so scientists know a lot. There is no comparison to knowledge about covid. RFK Jr clearly is ignorant of everything except his own opinions that are endangering children. At least erring on the side of caution can save lives.

JMO
My point was Fauci knew already that masks were useless. He went along with shutting the nation down knowing there was science to support it. That miscue had horrific consequences to the nation and our children. He should have been honest with people.

The measles vaccine is safe and I don't understand why anyone would not get it. But I don't think measles vaccine and programs should in anyway be compared to the Covid reaction of various governments. One is science based and well thought out, the other was panic and greed and manipulation and an example of how poor government can function at times.
 
  • #536
My point was Fauci knew already that masks were useless.
Quite the opposite IMO! Masks are generically helpful when dealing with *anything* respiratory. However, they are MOST essential when the molecule is airborne as opposed to droplets, and IIRC it wasn't immediately known which of those SARS-COV-2 was.

Plus there was the issue of the shortage of masks created from panic-buying by the public, which threatened to leave insufficient masks available for medical workers, for whom they are essential.

So the "no masks needed" was a cautionary initial response designed to protect health care workers and to reduce panic buying. Kind of like when extreme weather approaches, they want folks aware, but not panicking prematurely.

But once n95 production had geared up, and especially once COVID was confirmed to be airborne, masks were then encouraged from that point forward.

But I do think there was a lot of public confusion, in addition to the political partisanship aspect. I saw so many people wearing loose-fitting surgical masks, or N95s that hadn't been crimped over the bridge of their nose, that it was apparent to me they didn't understand how masks were supposed to work. They need to function as a filter, with a tight seal around the perimeter so the air is forced through the fabric of the mask. Otherwise it's like hanging a curtain in an open doorway to try to keep smoke out -- it just goes around the curtain and still gets where you don't want it. MOO
 
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My point was Fauci knew already that masks were useless. He went along with shutting the nation down knowing there was science to support it. That miscue had horrific consequences to the nation and our children. He should have been honest with people.

The measles vaccine is safe and I don't understand why anyone would not get it. But I don't think measles vaccine and programs should in anyway be compared to the Covid reaction of various governments. One is science based and well thought out, the other was panic and greed and manipulation and an example of how poor government can function at times.

Just to be clear.

Is it your position that it has been scientifically proven that the wearing of quality N95, KN95, and KF94 masks does not reduce the transmission of (as in preventing a mask wearing person with Covid from spreading it) or the receiving of (a person w/o Covid who is wearing a mask to reduce their exposure from others)?

Not asking about political viewpoints or government policies. Asking from a scientific medical standpoint done by epidemiologists, global reviews of studies, etc.
 
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Just to be clear.

Is it your position that it has been scientifically proven that the wearing of quality N95, KN95, and KF94 masks does not reduce the transmission of (as in preventing a mask wearing person with Covid from spreading it) or the receiving of (a person w/o Covid who is wearing a mask to reduce their exposure from others)?

Not asking about political viewpoints or government policies. Asking from a scientific medical standpoint done by epidemiologists, global reviews of studies, etc.
The N95 etc are apparently effective to some degree. The cloth masks were not. Am i wrong?
 
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But I do think there was a lot of public confusion, in addition to the political partisanship aspect. I saw so many people wearing loose-fitting surgical masks, or N95s that hadn't been crimped over the bridge of their nose, that it was apparent to me they didn't understand how masks were supposed to work. They need to function as a filter, with a tight seal around the perimeter so the air is forced through the fabric of the mask. Otherwise it's like hanging a curtain in an open doorway to try to keep smoke out -- it just goes around the curtain and still gets where you don't want it. MOO
Even though I rarely see anyone wearing masks anymore (unless I look in the mirror) it's extremely rare to see someone wearing them properly. Gaps galore. :( It's been this way since the beginning. People were wearing them, but not properly. I used to "mask watch" (like people watching) and back when everyone was required to wear them, literally only 1% wore them properly. And N95s were rare as well. :(

Then there were those that wore them like chin adornments. :( Yeah, that's helpful. Not. Then one woman had a handmade CROCHETED mask on with holes as big as peas. I just shook my head to myself and steered clear.

I am not looking forward to our next pandemic now that I know how the human race handled the last one. Horribly IMO.
 
  • #540
Cloth masks, dependent on fit, thickness/weave of material used, and addition of a filter (many mask makers in my area quickly started researching/adding/and suggesting the use of different filtering materials based on the evolving research), are less effective than a well fitted N95, KF, KN, etc. However, they did offer some protection, especially at a time when the general population didn't have easy access to anything else.

Cloth masks: bridging the gap in a world short on medical supplies: June 2024

N95 have definitely been proven to have good efficacy---but as always, a mask is only as good as the fit as well as the consistency and behavior of the wearer as well as the air quality/filtration/cycling of indoor spaces.

I live in the Chicago area. I have long Covid and have taken part in a long Covid clinic run by a major research/teaching hospital. Unequivocally they continue to support the efficacy of high quality, well fitted masks.
 

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