Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #44

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A 4-year-old female Malayan tiger at a zoo in New York City has tested positive for coronavirus, according to results from the National Veterinary Services Laboratories at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). Officials say this is the first report of a tiger becoming infected with COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus.

USDA said samples from the tiger, named Nadia, were taken and evaluated after several lions and tigers at the Bronx Zoo presented symptoms of respiratory illness. The zoo said Nadia, her sister Azul, two Amur tigers and three African lions had developed a dry cough and decrease in appetite. They are all expected to recover.

Tiger tests positive for coronavirus at New York City zoo, first case of its kind in the U.S.
 
  • #242
Uhh... how in the world?
Tiger @ BRONX ZOO + for coronavirus. As in COVID-19??
Not good!

"The 4-year-old Malayan tiger, and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill, are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee"
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Nooooo....

I thought...

Oh man.

I wonder if Dr. Maria will comment on this.

This can’t be...

I know this likely has nothing to do with this but early on I wondered about the made from tiger medicines they have in China...

Man.
 
  • #243
Sample size matters, as do conflicting conclusions. I think we need more information to draw conclusions about the percent of the population that is asymptomatic, but others will accept one study over another.

For example, many people accept that malaria drugs cure coronavirus even though there are no studies supporting that conclusion, and the anecdotal information comes from a Frenchman who based his opinion on 26 people.

"But the researchers only looked at 36 patients and only 26 actually received hydroxychloroquine in the study — a tiny sample size. Hydroxychloroquine can also have side effects like headaches, dizziness, and diarrhea, so it’s not something that doctors can blanketly prescribe. And the study wasn’t blinded, meaning the patients knew what they were getting, nor was it randomized."​

What you need to know about hydroxychloroquine, Trump’s new favorite treatment for Covid-19

Sure. But as someone who works in an applied medical field, I have learned that decisions and policy have to be made way before data come in.

SOME people may well be helped by malaria drugs. This is the case with many drugs that the US refuses to authorize for general use. Don't know about Canada (Canada must surely be more intelligent). Mexico of course just allows everything for everybody, mostly self-prescribed.

In the US, a drug has to be virtually side effect free or very specifically prescribed to get approval.

I have learned to rely on the actual decisions and intuitions of clinical practitioners. So when any data comes from those men and women, I pay very close attention. For example, in years of watching psychiatrists prescribe psychoactives, I am amazed that good doctors can tell (by clues they can't completely explain) which anti-depressant goes with which person. Some people - nothing helps, and those are often people that M.D's, early on, express puzzlement or outright confusion about. They can tell.

I can also tell quite a bit from observing, but I can't actually observe (for example) what the heck is causing British hospitals to run out of oxygen. I fear it could happen at the peak, here, as well. Oxygen seems to be a central treatment. Ventilators? Not so much.

Hyperbaric chambers? Seem pretty promising for the 3 people who could avail themselves of it - there will never be a single study of this, because it's unfolding real time and has too many variables. The same people who want the (untested) malaria drugs are going to want the hyperbaric chambers too.

They can't have them. Earth doesn't have the resources and even if the most efficient military got hold of the project, it's way too late for this wave

Hmm. Let's see who gets them. Hyperbaric chambers need tons of oxygen - and, well, building more and using them would completely eliminate life-saving oxygen for the rest of us.

Speaking of which, there are now reports (not studies) of encephalopathy in this disease (necrotic) and hyperbaric has been proposed in the past and tested for such afflictions. So do we save it for them? (They will be literally on death's door and it's not clear that they will have good quality of life after).

Lots and lots to consider. In the meantime, I think the vast majority of positive CoVid cases are asymptomatic and I think the new test from Stanford (which does need FDA approval to be used in an emergency in California) is going to give us that information - within 2 weeks, much much more will be known. The pediatric infectious disease unit at Stanford, alone, has patients for testing this and already enrolled (for obvious reasons). While Stanford gets to be first, other university hospitals in California are rapidly doing their own protocols (the science behind it takes years to master, but the implementation will be rapid).

I also think the older one is, the more likely they are to be symptomatic. That's just a hunch.

I always enjoy talking to you, Otto. I hope your son is okay. I admire your family's intelligence and education, in being able to understand and arrange your own health measures. When the antibody test comes to your neighborhood, things are going to start looking sunny by today's lights.
 
  • #244
We are not out of oxygen....yet. That one hospital reached its critical limit but said nobody had gone without oxygen as a result. No reports of oxygen running out anywhere else.

There are concerns, of course, and the situation could change very quickly A friend of mine works on a CV ward in a city hospital and at the moment (as of yesterday morning when I spoke to her) they are coping ok: enough beds, enough ventilators, enough oxygen and enough staff. Empty wards ready to be used as and when needed and the other hospital in the city all set up to start accepting patients too.

I don't think we're in any better or worse situation than any other country that's been hit hard (except Germany, who are proving themselves to be just as efficient as their stereotype!). We might just about manage, we might run out of equipment, doctors might have to make decisions. But we're not there now/yet, thankfully.

Thank you again for your concern though, it really is appreciated. Hope you got the elbow bump I sent earlier :)

In the March 30 PC, Dr. Mike was saying how everybody is talking about ventilators, but oxygen is also a concern, and he talked some about this.
 
  • #245
I guess that I don't understand how a hospital can run out of oxygen. My husband has two oxygen concentrators, one in his office, and a portable machine.

Is that different from what is used at the hospital? He also has tanks for backup.
 
  • #246
Yes, that's good, but why go in at all? Wouldn't it be better if you could place your order and pick it up curbside from the store where only the staff can walk through the doors?
That would be great if more stores offered that around here. Only one here does and I’ve been on their website at all hours every day for a week trying to get a slot.
Instacart is hit or miss. Target does delivery but you only get 3 items out of the 30 you ordered. It’s incredibly frustrating. JMO
 
  • #247
This would be perfect in theory. I’ve tried for the last 3 days to order online for curbside pick up from local grocery.
The first day I called the help line only to be told that all spots for the next 6 days were filled and they only take orders 6 days into the future.
I’ve tried their suggestion of attempting at night (11pm-3 am) with no luck.
Today I had to go in as I provide food for others. No limit in shoppers, there were many, I went at 7am, and was 1 of 3 others wearing a mask and gloves.
No employees had masks and few had gloves. People would cut in front of me as I waited 6 ft back to check out.
 
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60 Minutes CBS 7 pm Tonight

Workers in restaurants and other small businesses are among the first and hardest hit in the COVID-19 virus crisis.

While employees of shuttered restaurants and idled businesses await financial assistance from stimulus checks and loans, some are helping each other and creatively adapting to the predicament they find themselves in. Scott Pelley reports on the virus' effects on those businesses and their efforts to overcome them in New York, the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak, on the next edition of 60 Minutes, Sunday, April 5 at 7 p.m. ET/PT on CBS.

The effect of the coronavirus on small businesses and eateries
 
  • #250
The UK currently has 1559 Coronavirus patients in ICU (though having read the report I'm not sure if this figure includes Scotland)

United Kingdom Coronavirus: 47,806 Cases and 4,934 Deaths - Worldometer

We have 8000 ventilators and more on the way.

Is the NHS ready for the surge in coronavirus cases?

It seems to me from reading both articles and looking at the numbers that there is a bigger problem in London and the south. Hopefully once the Nightingale hospital is fully functioning it will alleviate the pressure on hospital ICUs.

Worth remembering the UK is only testing those admitted to hospital. The actual number of CV sufferers is significantly higher than the 48k reported.
 
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People would cut in front of me as I waited 6 ft back to check out.

This same thing happened to me! They just walk right up beside you and fill that gap!! Ridiculous! Some people.....I just cannot!:mad:
 
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  • #253
Feeling good. Almost out of quarantine and trying to catch up here which is proving impossible.

Happy to hear you are doing well.
 
  • #254
The US surgeon general warned the country on Sunday that it will face a “Pearl Harbor moment” in the next week, with an unprecedented numbers of coronavirus deaths expected coast to coast.

“The next week is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment. It’s going to be our 9/11 moment,” Jerome Adams told NBC News’ Meet the Press.

“It’s going to be the hardest moment for many Americans in their entire lives, and we really need to understand that if we want to flatten that curve and get through to the other side, everyone needs to do their part.”

Adams’s thoughts were echoed by Dr Anthony Fauci, the country’s foremost infectious diseases expert.

“Things are going to get bad and we need to be prepared for that,” Fauci said on CBS’s Face the Nation. “It’s going to be shocking to some and it certainly is really disturbing to see that … Just buckle down.

“We’ve got to get through this week that is coming up because it’s going to be a bad week.”

Dr. Deborah Birx said that after four weeks of mitigation in Spain and Italy they are seeing the pandemic slow.

“Over the next week, although we’ll see rising number of cases of people who lose their lives to this illness, we are also hopeful we will see a stabilization of cases across these large metro areas where the outbreak began several weeks ago.”

US surgeon general warns of 'Pearl Harbor moment' as Americans face 'hardest week'
 
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Imagine if we'd listened
It's painful but you can
Hadn't worshipped mammon
Instead had had a plan
Imagine every nation alive and Covid free
You may say I'm deluded
That this world's too much for me
But we now will learn hard lessons
And this did not have to be.
 
  • #256
I guess that I don't understand how a hospital can run out of oxygen. My husband has two oxygen concentrators, one in his office, and a portable machine.

Is that different from what is used at the hospital? He also has tanks for backup.


Hospitals use liquid oxygen.

Hospital equipment needs an oxygen source with a PSI of at least 50 PSI. There is usually a big tall tank hidden in a back corner of the property. Deliveries are fairly frequent.

Oxygen concentrator have between 16 and 20 PSI.

Hospitals do use tanks for patient transports.
 
  • #257
60 Minutes CBS 7 pm Tonight

Workers in restaurants and other small businesses are among the first and hardest hit in the COVID-19 virus crisis.

While employees of shuttered restaurants and idled businesses await financial assistance from stimulus checks and loans, some are helping each other and creatively adapting to the predicament they find themselves in. Scott Pelley reports on the virus' effects on those businesses and their efforts to overcome them in New York, the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak, on the next edition of 60 Minutes, Sunday, April 5 at 7 p.m. ET/PT on CBS.

The effect of the coronavirus on small businesses and eateries
I watched this. Good report.
 
  • #258
IMO we're watching the members of the task force age before our eyes in a matter of weeks.
 
  • #259
A 4-year-old female Malayan tiger at a zoo in New York City has tested positive for coronavirus

ok who was it... we told you stop kissing the tigers in the middle of a pandemic
 
  • #260
IMO we're watching the members of the task force age before our eyes in a matter of weeks.

Same with our bunch. I bet they've not slept properly in weeks.
 
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