Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #51

[tresir2012]

Here's an interesting story for you.
The Open-Air Treatment of PANDEMIC INFLUENZA
"When the influenza virus pandemic took hold in the United States in 1918, emergency hospitals were started in schools, halls, and large private houses, and open-air hospitals were being “thrown up” all over the country.1 In the harbor of East Boston, 1200 out of 5100 merchant sailors onboard training ships had contracted influenza. The seriously ill were too numerous for local hospitals to accommodate. The Massachusetts State Guard responded by building the Camp Brooks Open Air Hospital at Corey Hill in Brookline, near Boston. The hospital comprised 13 tents, 12 of which were occupied by one or two patients each and the other by the head nurse. The State Guard took seven hours to erect the tents, make sure the site was properly drained, and provide running water, latrines, and sewerage. Portable buildings were then set up for the medical staff and nurses. From the time the camp opened on September 9, 1918, until its closure a month later on October 12, a total of 351 victims of the pandemic were admitted, one third of whom were diagnosed with pneumonia. In total, 36 of the 351 sailors received at the hospital died.
The treatment at Camp Brooks Hospital took place outdoors, with “a maximum of sunshine and of fresh air day and night.” The medical officer in charge, Major Thomas F. Harrington, had studied the history of his patients and found that the worst cases of pneumonia came from the parts of ships that were most badly ventilated. In good weather, patients were taken out of their tents and put in the open. They were kept warm in their beds at night with hot-water bottles and extra blankets and were fed every few hours throughout the course of the fever. Anyone in contact with them had to wear an improvised facemask, which comprised five layers of gauze on a wire frame covering the nose and mouth. The frame was made out of an ordinary gravy strainer, shaped to fit the face of the wearer and to prevent the gauze filter from touching the nostrils or mouth. Nurses and orderlies were instructed to keep their hands away from the outside of the masks as much as possible. A superintendent made sure the masks were replaced every two hours, were properly sterilized, and contained fresh gauze.

Other measures to prevent infection included the wearing of gloves and gowns, including a head covering. Doctors, nurses, and orderlies had to wash their hands in disinfectant after contact..."

This is very interesting to me because all my life I have heard that animals like lambs and foals are much better out of doors because they can succumb to pneumonia much less readily than if they are indoors. So in the UK that is often why you see new born lambs out in the meadows often from early in the year.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I am a teacher in a right to work state. So while there is a union there is no contract (imagine that). I am still being paid below my years because they never quite recovered from the 2008 recession. My state just released the budget and there is a lot less than was originally anticipated for education. Schools should also be making sure they have adequate ventilation (my district is behind in that). And you can be sure the teachers, as they have for sometime), will be providing all the disinfectants and hand sanitizer in the classroom. That is just for the teachers. The same will apply for all the public service workers. It wont be pretty.

Yep, can't imagine the gearing up that will be needed to have standing sanitizers (like on cruise ships where they are activated by passing your hand underneath ) for EVERY class in the entire country and supplying such.

 

[Satchie]

FTLOG, we have heard such for so long. It's like when more than 45 days, you had to have come from WUHAN in the last 10 days (ummm, it was shut down over a month before) to be tested and we on threads were yelling at our screens... HELLO... it's not just Wuhan and you are missing it!

And now... golly gee.. difficulty breathing/shortness of breath now both on list. Guess what CDC.. still behind as MANY MANY reports state that folks are not short of breath, they don't have difficulty breathing as they do NOT know their O2 stats are below 93%!!!! Their brain isn't telling them such as Dr. Campbell and Dr. Sehult has been saying.

That is why I have a pulse oximeter.

Oh dear.... I think I'm going to have to break down and call a friend on this.... as it is sooooooooooooooooooo behind it's ridiculous to what is / has been out in science for some time.

And as to the toes... Dr Sheult has been on this for a very long time explaining microthrombi...

I guess we have to deal with administrations being 30-45 days behind.. that is why it is great that we have this place to discuss and to expect what is coming.. and to decide for ourselves.

See, that is where we differ. To me, 'science' is not one doctor giving his opinions on his youtube channel. Like horoscopes, sure he might be right on the button sometimes. But often not, because he isn't taking the cautious, consensus building approach of true science. He can say something that isn't true, and no one will call him on it. Whereas, organizations like the CDC would have to officially retract anything they state that hasn't been proven. IMO, it's the difference between opinions expressed on websleuths, and sworn testimony on the witness stand in a trial. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

In all the documentaries I've watched and articles I've read, there is no explanation for why the virus died out after 3 waves. The first wave was moderate, the second wave was deadly and the third wave was relatively mild. I'm inclined to think that it was social distancing, as people were very wary of others and the illness after so many deaths.

Influenza 1918 | American Experience | PBS

It's thought to be herd immunity, plus we now know that maybe as many as 10% of the population just has darned good immune systems, forms antibodies quickly and efficiently (kids are really good at this) and all the very vulnerable died off in the first two waves.

That could be the case with CoVid, too. The latest study from NYC, though, shows only 15% of the sample with antibodies. So a ways to go.

In 1918, some people really did flee into the countryside. To other states, to Arizona (very uncrowded back then), to Utah (newly opened to settlers by Mormons some 20-30 years earlier).

Now, there's no place to go, really. A pair of Californians who decided to go to their "winter home" in Utah (near Park City) are telling me that the neighbors range from frosty to nasty, upset that they're bringing the virus into Park City.

 

[10ofRods]

Neither of my grandchildren will touch a paci. Go figure.

Gotta be a gene. I wouldn't use one, neither of my kids would use one, none of their kids will use one. Must be a dominant gene. This isn't the kind of thing geneticists try to get money to study, ha.

 

[katydid23]

Seems money truly speaks. I agree completely with your post, but obviously those in charge have an economic agenda over a healthy one.

It's not an 'economic' agenda---it is a survival agenda. Do you know what happens when a nation's economy totally collapses? It brings on death, severe poverty, misery, illness, famine, etc. For decades. The depression was a real thing and it was ugly.

This is not about greed or luxury or profit. It is about the survival of 338 million people. If our economy goes into a total meltdown, we can have a collapse of the dollar and that can bring on decades of food shortages, massive unemployment, and misery.

We cannot have everyone in this huge country quarantined and waiting for the virus to die out.
Millions of businesses would close and be shuttered, our real estate would become worthless and many would become bankrupt. Have you seen countries where inflation happens so severely that it takes a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy groceries?

People are downplaying the importance of restarting our nation's economy. It is not about 'personal profit.' It is about our survival and our ability to feed our people and keep our supply lines open and our medicines available and our utilities and infrastructure working.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

See, that is where we differ. To me, 'science' is not one doctor giving his opinions on his youtube channel. Like horoscopes, sure he might be right on the button sometimes. But often not, because he isn't taking the cautious, consensus building approach of true science. He can say something that isn't true, and no one will call him on it. Whereas, organizations like the CDC would have to officially retract anything they state that hasn't been proven. IMO, it's the difference between opinions expressed on websleuths, and sworn testimony on the witness stand in a trial. JMO

EXACTLY! We don't differ, as that was my point. We knew/believed without 99.99% here in January what was coming... we used our opinions vs. scientific consensus and evidence that has to be PROVEN.

Thanks for supporting my point!

 

[katydid23]

Does she have her own heating/cooling system? I know I ding on this a lot.

Yes, she does. Thank Goodness.

 

[10ofRods]

Yep, can't imagine the gearing up that will be needed to have standing sanitizers (like on cruise ships where they are activated by passing your hand underneath ) for EVERY class in the entire country and supplying such.

When I was a kid, there were sinks in every classroom K-3. After that, there weren't. But the teacher could supervise hand-washing and it was a classroom "job" for two of us to scrub the sink - right after recess and at the end of the day.

It was really good practice in hygiene. We used soap and water, which is way more anti-viral than hand sanitizer.

At the school where I once attended, even the outdoor drinking fountains no longer work. Kids bring their own water bottles. The bathrooms were once supplied with warm and cold water, now it's just cold and there's often no soap.

But teaching little kids to wash their hands is good. They can do it in batches. Of course, I think every primary grade classroom should have a para-educator alongside the teacher and that the teacher should get way more money for her/his job.

 

[katydid23]

Actually I care.

This guy paid his dues....44 years. He died of Covid before they could get him out the gate.

Michigan inmate died of Covid-19 just before he was to be released - CNN

People are being offered early release if their end dates are within the year. Our country has a significant number of non-violent offenders who should be released and have been.
Where do you think these folks are gonna go if a state prison system is overrun with Covid? Yep, to the nearest public hospital. We have to manage these locations too if not for the healthcare system but also for morality of human decency.

Only 13.2% of offenders are in your "I don't care" category.

Chart Label Offense # of Inmates % of Inmates
a Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement 329 0.2%
b Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses 8,085 5.0%
c Continuing Criminal Enterprise 321 0.2%
d Courts or Corrections 655 0.4%
e Drug Offenses 73,476 45.5%
f Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 9,516 5.9%
g Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses 5,120 3.2%
h Immigration 9,349 5.8%
i Miscellaneous 1,005 0.6%
j National Security 47 0.0%
k Robbery 5,498 3.4%
l Sex Offenses 16,729 10.4%
m Weapons, Explosives, Arson 31,401 19.4%

BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses

As well there is alot to learn about covid from these populations. Appears Ohio is the only state that is mass testing and has found 96% of their positive tests have no symptoms. Which even more highlights the need for mass testing to find people who are infected and spreading to others.

In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms

What is the difference between them being on the outside vs the inside, in terms of catching a global virus? The guy who had 44 years served and one year to go. If he had been released, would he have been protected 100% from being infected then?

 

[zecats]

Yep, can't imagine the gearing up that will be needed to have standing sanitizers (like on cruise ships where they are activated by passing your hand underneath ) for EVERY class in the entire country and supplying such.

High school where I substitute and also retired from a few years ago has provided hand sanitizer and tissues for every classroom, every office and every lavatory sign-in/out station in the hallway for many years. Wonder how much stock of the stuff they actually have.

 

[cody22]

It is a sloooow day here on this thread..... What time does the White House Virus Briefing start today ?...moo

 

[jjenny]

And added to this is that families had to keep a distance, making it virtually impossible to advocate for relatives. Tragic situation, especially when beds at Javits and Comfort were so close by. This must be addressed and fixed immediately.

jmo

I know. It's absolutely ridiculous to force nursing homes with vulnerable populations to accept covid patients. Covid patients should be housed somewhere until they test negative. Unbelievable that it was ordered to force nursing homes to accept these patients. New York had two ships, they should have been send to a ship or a separate facility should have been created.

 

[Satchie]

What is the difference between them being on the outside vs the inside, in terms of catching a global virus? The guy who had 44 years served and one year to go. If he had been released, would he have been protected 100% from being infected then?

I think it's about reducing crowding/making space in jails eg only 1 prisoner per cell, not about saving the released prisoners from infection. It also, IMO, is not only about protecting existing prisoners from infection or death, but about saving hospitals from an influx of prisoners, protecting guards and their families, not having to transfer infected prisoners to hospitals or quarantine facilities, etc.

 

[katydid23]

When I pick up my grocery order every few weeks, I wear a mask because the person who puts the groceries in the back of my SUV after I pull in to my spot, if there are two employees doing it, they often talk together as they work (young college students), and so they are breathing and talking into my vehicle. When I drive off, I open the back windows as I drive home but I keep my mask on until I get home. When people drive by me on my trip home, they don't know I have just picked up groceries, or got gas, or gone through the pharmacy drive-in, etc. So it is not unusual to be driving with a mask on for a variety of reasons. But I am back home usually within less then 30 minutes. I take it off as soon as I feel it has been a reasonable time.

Yes, I keep mine on for awhile as well. I went from the pharmacy to a small grocery store. I didnt want to keep handling my mask, by taking it on and off. So I kept it on while driving between destinations.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I think it's about reducing crowding/making space in jails eg only 1 prisoner per cell, not about saving the released prisoners from infection. It also, IMO, is not only about protecting existing prisoners from infection or death, but about saving hospitals from an influx of prisoners, protecting guards and their families, not having to transfer infected prisoners to hospitals or quarantine facilities, etc.

Yes, this was the rationale that I had read long ago (source is now lost to the sands of time). Still, just like with temporary hospitals, ideally we could re-vamp spaces to allow more distance while keeping these folks confined. However, maybe that's impractical for many reasons, including having enough staff to handle these extra spaces.

 

[Satchie]

It's not an 'economic' agenda---it is a survival agenda. Do you know what happens when a nation's economy totally collapses? It brings on death, severe poverty, misery, illness, famine, etc. For decades. The depression was a real thing and it was ugly.

This is not about greed or luxury or profit. It is about the survival of 338 million people. If our economy goes into a total meltdown, we can have a collapse of the dollar and that can bring on decades of food shortages, massive unemployment, and misery.

We cannot have everyone in this huge country quarantined and waiting for the virus to die out.
Millions of businesses would close and be shuttered, our real estate would become worthless and many would become bankrupt. Have you seen countries where inflation happens so severely that it takes a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy groceries?

People are downplaying the importance of restarting our nation's economy. It is not about 'personal profit.' It is about our survival and our ability to feed our people and keep our supply lines open and our medicines available and our utilities and infrastructure working.

I agree, but IMO it would be good to hear from 'trusted' economists (an oxymoron maybe), rather than from people with their own agenda. Politicians of every stripe think short term, rather than long term. Will the economy really recover because people can get haircuts and tattoos, which will potentially put continued strain on healthcare systems that would otherwise create much more wealth by treating non-covid patients, just for eg.

The IMF is focussed on 3rd world countries, which will be devastated. But will rich countries really collapse?

For example, this site says the US "GDP will fall about 7.5% (30% divided by 4) in the second quarter."
No, GDP Isn’t Really Going to Shrink 30%

It's not the robust growth we've all been used to, allowing us to buy $800 cellphones, etc., but less than 10% can hardly be collapse.

 

[24Roses]

Iowa news today: APRIL 26: 384 more COVID-19 cases, 6 additional deaths 384 new confirmed cases today and 6 more have passed. We now have a total of 5, 476 confirmed cases and 118 have passed away. 1,900 have recovered (35%).
Iowa’s universities plan to bring back students in fall
Source says Prairie Meadows will lay off about 1,300 staff in May

 

[Henry2326]

"NEW: a lot of data on reported Covid deaths is highly suspect, so we’ve been looking into excess mortality — how many more people than usual have been dying around the world in recent weeks?"
Story by me, @ChrisGiles_ & @valentinaromei (free to read): Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter

"The numbers are remarkable, and put to bed the idea that Covid-19 is akin to a bad flu season.
You can clearly see that in almost every country, spikes in mortality are *far* higher than what we see from flu etc (grey lines are historical death numbers)" Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter

"The picture is even more stark in the cities & regions hardest hit by outbreaks.
In Ecuador’s Guayas province, 245 Covid deaths have been reported to date, but all-cause mortality data show *more than 10,000* extra deaths since 1 March compared to the average in recent years". John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter

"So far we’ve analysed data from 14 countries, finding 122,000 more deaths in recent weeks than the usual average for those same places and same weeks.
This is an increase of 52%. Crucially, that’s also 45,000 more deaths than accounted for in reported Covid deaths." John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter

"The data also highlight another point I’ve been making:
Covid outbreaks are much better understood as happening on a local than national scale.
Here are excess deaths across England & Wales.
London deaths have almost doubled vs usual. In the South West, uptick is much smaller". John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter

"Notes on methodology:
• In each case we establish a historical baseline using deaths in the same country/city for the same weeks in 2015-2019
• Our excess deaths are the 2020 number minus that average"

John Burn-Murdoch on Twitter

 

[cody22]

LOCAL UPDATES: Houston restaurant receives warning from HFD to violating stay-at-home orders


For serving Houston LE Officers outdoors free food......moo